Carlo El Sanchez Posted December 27, 2006 Share Posted December 27, 2006 If KOTOR III is made it better not be a follow up of KOTOR II's storybecause frankly myself and alot of my friends found KOTOR II to be abit repeditive with a lame story and just no new excitement... but hey thats just some people, wich is why i still think if KOTOR III is for real, please have a fresh new story!!! not another random flying in the Ebon Hawk for the third time! Dont you guys agree ? id like to hear what you all think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego Varen Posted December 27, 2006 Share Posted December 27, 2006 If KOTOR III didn't follow TSL's story, then the reason why TSL had many plot holes, etc, won't be answered. I wouldn't like KOTOR III to be a Prequel or set one hundred years after TSL. And when KOTOR III is made (or if made), then I doubt KOTOR III will be any different to the previous KOTOR games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbl Posted December 27, 2006 Share Posted December 27, 2006 If KOTOR III didn't follow TSL's story, then the reason why TSL had many plot holes, etc, won't be answered.The reason why there was so many plot holes was due to a holiday called Christmas, which apparently is a time when many people take part in the traditional "buying of the games for presents" and LA apparently likes green paper with former presidents. That's just my opinion and many other people tend to disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TKA-001 Posted December 27, 2006 Share Posted December 27, 2006 If K3 doesn't continue the excellent but still butchered ending of TSL in some way without taking place very long after it, then I will go on a murderous rampage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jediphile Posted December 27, 2006 Share Posted December 27, 2006 TSL's plot does not have holes. The game does, however, due to the decision to release it before the work was done. As plots go, I find TSL much better than the original K1 plot. TSL is not a finished plot, though, nor was it meant to be - there are a lot of unanswered questioned left behind in TSL's open ending. A K3 that does not follow up on those is a K3 that I might reluctantly play, but will certainly dislike, if I play it at all. And I will play it only on the pc. If it's console only, then I won't be buying it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego Varen Posted December 27, 2006 Share Posted December 27, 2006 TSL's plot does not have holes. The game does, however, due to the decision to release it before the work was done. As plots go, I find TSL much better than the original K1 plot. TSL is not a finished plot, though, nor was it meant to be - there are a lot of unanswered questioned left behind in TSL's open ending. A K3 that does not follow up on those is a K3 that I might reluctantly play, but will certainly dislike, if I play it at all. And I will play it only on the pc. If it's console only, then I won't be buying it. Oh I agree that TSL is better, it's just the fans complain about it's cut content, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlo El Sanchez Posted December 28, 2006 Author Share Posted December 28, 2006 Yes... i supose your right but for KOTOR III if they have to follow up on the continued story, for it to rewind to the original KOTOR abit, i didn't like it how Darth Reven was just completely erased from the story of KOTOR II, i would really like it if the Darth Reven stortyline would be brought back into the picture for KOTOR III. Or if not that, a better storyline than KOTOR II Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaelastraz Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 TSL's plot does not have holes. The game does, however, due to the decision to release it before the work was done. As plots go, I find TSL much better than the original K1 plot. TSL's plot is the game's plot in my book. When I install the game, look for (nonexistant) patches and play it, I assume that is what TSL is. And there are plotholes. I don't really care why. They exist, there is no patch to solve them. Blame Lucasarts, blame Obsidian, it is irrelevant. As the consumer, I received an unfinished product. That's just my opinion though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jediphile Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 TSL's plot is the game's plot in my book. When I install the game, look for (nonexistant) patches and play it, I assume that is what TSL is. And there are plotholes. I don't really care why. They exist, there is no patch to solve them. Blame Lucasarts, blame Obsidian, it is irrelevant. As the consumer, I received an unfinished product. That's just my opinion though. This is the problem a lot of us have with TSL. My point is that if you look at the plot as written and intended by Chris Avellone, not as in the half-finished stae it ended up in the game, it's actually a very complex and solid plot IMHO. When we talk about the cut content, then it's because the rather large differences between what is in the game and what was meant to be in the game. But due to a rushed schedule, lots of stuff had to be cut, leaving stuff hanging. That's why a lot of people end up looking at the screen in disbelief, when they watch the end sequence of the game. I did too the first time around... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego Varen Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 Yes... i supose your right but for KOTOR III if they have to follow up on the continued story, for it to rewind to the original KOTOR abit, i didn't like it how Darth Reven was just completely erased from the story of KOTOR II, i would really like it if the Darth Reven stortyline would be brought back into the picture for KOTOR III. Or if not that, a better storyline than KOTOR II Darth Revan wasn't erased from TSL. He/She is mentioned several times with Kreia, Atton and Master Vrook and even Carth/Bastila mention him/her sometimes. So don't think TSL was bad because Revan wasn't mentioned sometimes, because to be honest, I've become sick of Revan, which is why I prefer the Exile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbl Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 Revan was mentioned enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego Varen Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 TSL's plot is the game's plot in my book. When I install the game, look for (nonexistant) patches and play it, I assume that is what TSL is. And there are plotholes. I don't really care why. They exist, there is no patch to solve them. Blame Lucasarts, blame Obsidian, it is irrelevant. As the consumer, I received an unfinished product. That's just my opinion though. Actually, just blame LucasArts. They rushed Obsidian, so if given the time, Obsidian wouldn't have had to rush it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henz Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 I comepletely disagree with bringing Revan in as any kind of key character. His time is past. It's more effect to catch wind of the legend that meet him anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlo El Sanchez Posted December 28, 2006 Author Share Posted December 28, 2006 I dont know but i found the Exile a stupid idea for your character, if BioWare had of done KOTOR II i still recon it would have been better than Obsidian. When KOTOR III shows its face i can still be sure its going to be A HELL OF A GAME - the excitement is overwelming !!!! i want it now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego Varen Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 I dont know but i found the Exile a stupid idea for your character, if BioWare had of done KOTOR II i still recon it would have been better than Obsidian. When KOTOR III shows its face i can still be sure its going to be A HELL OF A GAME - the excitement is overwelming !!!! i want it now! The thing is, BioWare had expressed no interest in making any sequels for KOTOR and I'm glad that they recommended Obsidian, since if given more time, they could've made TSL become much better than KOTOR, even though I'm one of those people who prefers TSL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Skywalker Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 Me two, i preferred KotOR story-wise and TSL gameplay-wise, but that may change. Also, i completely disagree with you Horny Zalaabar. PS--Obsidian does good games, just look at Neverwinter Nights... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego Varen Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 Me two, i preferred KotOR story-wise and TSL gameplay-wise, but that may change. Also, i completely disagree with you Horny Zalaabar. I agree with those points Jason, although I do prefer TSL overall, despite TSL being less popular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlo El Sanchez Posted December 28, 2006 Author Share Posted December 28, 2006 What does TSL stand for again ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego Varen Posted December 29, 2006 Share Posted December 29, 2006 What does TSL stand for again ? The Sith Lords. KOTOR's sequel's name. And KOTOR stands for Knights of the Old Republic, just for reference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlo El Sanchez Posted December 29, 2006 Author Share Posted December 29, 2006 yeah lol.. i forgot KOTOR II was also titled The Sith Lords. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xaris Vynn Posted December 29, 2006 Share Posted December 29, 2006 Kotor III has to follow the same story line, and IMO has to be the same kind of story/plot line. This game is about jedi knights, and they usually travel alone or with a master or padawan as a companion, not to mention it is a RPG. I don’t think the ebon hawk will be your ship because the exile has it and is supposedly looking for Revan. This as you might have guessed will probably be a big part of the plot for the third installment. As for whoever makes the game doesn’t matter as long as the game is completed and the story is explained completely. That's why a lot of people end up looking at the screen in disbelief, when they watch the end sequence of the game. I did too the first time around... I could not agree more with Jediphile. I originally played TSL first , then Kotor, then back to TSL and said that was very anticlimactic. I do feel that the game play, the way the characters moved and over all graphics was much better in TSL. I as is every other person here wishes they did not cut any content. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Architect Posted December 29, 2006 Share Posted December 29, 2006 What do I think? TSL's plot does not have holes. The game does, however, due to the decision to release it before the work was done. As plots go, I find TSL much better than the original K1 plot. TSL is not a finished plot, though, nor was it meant to be - there are a lot of unanswered questioned left behind in TSL's open ending. A K3 that does not follow up on those is a K3 that I will play, but will certainly dislike. My point is that if you look at the plot as written and intended by Chris Avellone, not as in the half-finished state it ended up in the game, it's actually a very complex and solid plot IMHO. When we talk about the cut content, then it's because the rather large differences between what is in the game and what was meant to be in the game. But due to a rushed schedule, lots of stuff had to be cut, leaving stuff hanging. That's why a lot of people end up looking at the screen in disappointment, when they watch the end sequence of the game. I did too the first time around... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arátoeldar Posted December 29, 2006 Share Posted December 29, 2006 Me two, i preferred KotOR story-wise and TSL gameplay-wise, but that may change. Also, i completely disagree with you Horny Zalaabar. PS--Obsidian does good games, just look at Neverwinter Nights... Plus a lot of Obsidian folks worked at Black Ilse Studios. They made three of the greatest RPGs ever. Fallout, Fallout 2, Planescape: Torment The Icewind Dale series was good but it focused more on the combat then the plot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabretooth Posted December 29, 2006 Share Posted December 29, 2006 I hope LA is mature enough to know now that deviating from the original story plot is not an interesting way to please the fans. I just hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast421 Posted December 29, 2006 Share Posted December 29, 2006 Well reading some of the responses on here seems like a great debate indeed but I did not mind the plot or the holes it had in it I just wish they would of made K2 complete.As for Revan he may not have been included in this game but we do know where he is generaly (far reaches of the outer rim) and I personally hope we get to go either find him/her or be him/her again or even find him/her and he is part of the small band of spiecies that save the universe yet again for either sith or jedi kind alike! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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