Sabretooth Posted June 9, 2007 Author Share Posted June 9, 2007 OpenOffice comes bundled with Ubuntu, so that's alright. I'm starting to like it, too. I tried Wine and it does a fine job of running a few games, with a bit of lagging, of course. @Astro: No, man. I don't search for WHQL-certified stuff everywhere. I know I'm out of the city and into the village now. I know the cow has horns. But you're right on the Office on Wine part. Using Wine for something like Office instead of the free and open-source OpenOffice is just werd. That's like *shudder* running Internet Explorer on Wine, instead of God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Det. Bart Lasiter Posted June 9, 2007 Share Posted June 9, 2007 jmac...I'll paypal you $1 to buy a coke, if in 5 years OpenOffice has come anywhere near to that claim. Linux fans have been rabbiting on about it being 'on the verge of becoming a major mainstream alternative' for as long as I can damn remember.Except now you see businesses and governments either switching to it or thinking about switching to it, so it's not just talk. As for Office on wine ?? Thats makes no sense. The beauty of open source = free, right ??You don't see me running my mouth about the beauty of open source. I'm just countering your point by saying that Linux-users aren't stuck with open source alternatives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Posted June 9, 2007 Share Posted June 9, 2007 Maybe I'm just weird, but I use OpenOffice in Windows as well as Ubuntu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Det. Bart Lasiter Posted June 9, 2007 Share Posted June 9, 2007 I do too, I don't see the need to waste money on Office when OOo supports Office formats anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stingerhs Posted June 9, 2007 Share Posted June 9, 2007 jmac...I'll paypal you $1 to buy a coke, if in 5 years OpenOffice has come anywhere near to that claim. Linux fans have been rabbiting on about it being 'on the verge of becoming a major mainstream alternative' for as long as I can damn remember.it *is* an alternative to M$ Office. i just got done taking my final M$ Office class last year, and unknown to my professor, i did every single project for the class in OpenOffice instead of M$ Office. i'll admit that its not quite as user friendly as M$ Office, but it was able to do everything i wanted it to do without a fuss.The juggernauts will always winnot in Star Wars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoxStar Posted June 10, 2007 Share Posted June 10, 2007 Be careful, an old friend of mine lost 2 computers to linux. One hell of a klutz to lose a computer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Det. Bart Lasiter Posted June 10, 2007 Share Posted June 10, 2007 It's all part of the seedy underbelly of the open source community. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrotoy7 Posted June 10, 2007 Share Posted June 10, 2007 ....not in Star Wars. lozl...you obviously didnt read on stinger....The New Republic(and its subsequent incarnations) becomes its own juggernaut, as does Lukes Jedi Academy. Its simply the way of the universe to replace one dominating vision with another... look at the French Revolution... one of the most definitive political events in modern history... so many of those that bayed for the Kings blood in the name of "Liberty and Equality" were the ones that installed Napoleon into power as Emperor and dictator, within the space of a generation ! crazy. Except now you see businesses and governments either switching to it or thinking about switching to it, so it's not just talk. You better hope it is just talk....When govts and corporations get a hold of open source, all that is good and lovely about the idea of OS sits on a dangerous precipice. It would be great if it would be something implemented in schools etc...but then again....theres the support question(as always!) Its like at Enterprise Level, you think people like Novell arent making money off Linux ?? In a world where piracy is so widespread and absolute, the one tiny glint of beauty that OSource offers to so many "average users" (ie. non cost), is cancelled out. This is good, or bad, only depending on who you ask @Sabre. Location noted. I Understand your affection for cows - even the ones with horns Carry ond with the grand experiment sir!! mtfbwya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Jones Posted June 10, 2007 Share Posted June 10, 2007 Except now you see businesses and governments either switching to it or thinking about switching to it, so it's not just talk.Being a computer tech monkey, I can totally second that. Saving licensing costs is one of the arguments for the Linux based desktop. And in the server sector it is superior to Windows anyway. You don't see me running my mouth about the beauty of open source. I'm just countering your point by saying that Linux-users aren't stuck with open source alternatives.Indeed. Also, I predict a huge increase of Linux home desktops when the gaming industry will find out they actually have a market with the open source community. Missing native game support is THE reason for users who switched to Linux to keep a Windows installation. lolz...wine reminds me of running a gameboy emulator on my pda. close, but its not the same, and will never work all time, exactly the way you want it to...Okay, but Windows does work all the time exactly like I want it to? -- Let's say it together: NO IT DOESN'T. Even more, if I want a certain feature/program, I have to pay money, money, and more money. Then when I get it, it is still not the way I want it. So I wait for the next version of that program and SURPRISE I'll need the next Windows version for it, so I'll have to pay again, for the new Windows and the next software version, which now has the feature I needed but lacks some I cannot live without either. Also, everybody on this planet can participate on the WINE or any open source project, to enhance it, that's the very idea of it. So if I want something to work the way I want, why not support an open source project with that money to get exactly what I want, instead of wasting money for stupid bells and whistles for programs which basically didn't change since stone age. It would be great if it would be something implemented in schools etc...but then again....theres the support question(as always!)This where you can make real money with: support for open source projects. See Codeweavers and the WINE project. Its like at Enterprise Level, you think people like Novell arent making money off Linux ??Of course they do. Why not? open source doesn't mean don't make money with it. OpenOffice comes bundled with Ubuntu, so that's alright. I'm starting to like it, too. I tried Wine and it does a fine job of running a few games, with a bit of lagging, of course. Check their AppDB to see what runs. But you're right on the Office on Wine part. Using Wine for something like Office instead of the free and open-source OpenOffice is just werd. That's like *shudder* running Internet Explorer on Wine, instead of God.No, it's like using IE to test the website you've designed without that you have to keep a Windows installation. [edit] When govts and corporations get a hold of open source, all that is good and lovely about the idea of OS sits on a dangerous precipice. On a second thought, how'd one get a hold of the principle of open source software? Also, I rather see governments use open source than close source where no one knows what's in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrotoy7 Posted June 10, 2007 Share Posted June 10, 2007 ....Indeed. Also, I predict a huge increase of Linux home desktops when the gaming industry will find out they actually have a market with the open source community. Missing native game support is THE reason for users who switched to Linux to keep a Windows installation..... yes! this is the zillion dollar question. Think of the absolutely huge amounts of money involved and at stake in the gaming slice alone. MS puts so much resources into this, is it really at all likely that they are going to get knocked off by an OS gig ?? It would be a financial catastrophe of epic proportions if MS dropped the ball on gaming. With the 360 being integrated directly to windows based pcs through media center and xbox live for gaming, it is really hard to imagine anything remotely competing with this for a while to come. The only alternatives are the other consoles, and totem tennis, but thats about it Even Apple, who probably have the $$$ to become a major competitor in this area, have chosen not to. They simply havent, as theyve found their niche and are doing just as well with that. There are also the emulation/compatibility options in Mac to give apple users access to windows functionaility - but still.. it doesnt really eliminate the need for a windows OS does it. I think this type of application is as close as Linux will get. Their niche was discovered by govts, military etc a long time ago, in terms of server applications - of which no one can argue they dont do a fantastic job(as long as there's input, supervision and support by the likes of Novell etc) It will be interesting to see what impact Longhorn server will have. Those using server 2k3 may upgrade. Im no server expert by any means but network admins Ive come across have been quite excited about the increased scope to integrate linux + longhorn based infrastructures... still, its not my bag o tricks so I cant say much else MS has alot of pennies riding on DX10 to cement vista as the OS of choice for gamers. It really is still up in the air, because not much has been seen in a real life context. For the moment though, 90%+ of power/lan gamers I know use xp as their OS of choice. (The nerdier ones dual boot Linux...damn nerds ) The vista early adopters Ive come across are chiefly those in the practise of building home theatre pcs. Vista is a signifcant improvement on xp media center edition 2005. Theres no doubt about it(as long as you use appropriate hardware, not the P3/4 your dad gave you when you had a mullet) anwyay, great discussion! I always like hearing rational debates about this stuff... not the ""WindO3Ws in l4m3..LinXXX pwnZ"", or the one eyed MS/Apple/Linux nazi rally lovefests you come across elsewhere. good job LFN techies mtfbwya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Jones Posted June 10, 2007 Share Posted June 10, 2007 in terms of server applications - of which no one can argue they dont do a fantastic job(as long as there's input, supervision and support by the likes of Novell etc)There's enough excellent non professional support you can get throughout the whole net. And there's also a market for like anything based on Linux. Thin clients, desktops, dedicated hardware, servers. It's all working perfectly. From the administrative and user point of view. All I say is, there is a more than valid alternative to just Windows. My experience is, if it were not for games, many people I know would not feel the need to touch Windows. And why shouldn't I buy games for my Linux platform? Just because someone is using an open source OS doesn't mean you can't sell that user software for it (Oracle, VMware). And if a program is so much better than it's open source pendant then common-linux-user-people will buy it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrotoy7 Posted June 11, 2007 Share Posted June 11, 2007 .... My experience is, if it were not for games, many people I know would not feel the need to touch Windows. ..... We all move in different circles, of course All the people I know who are more than ''average users'' are Lan gamers(mostly xp), home theater pc builders/owners(now mostly vista) and digital artists, film/video editors(the mac crowd)... The ones I do know who do the Linux thang are hardcore coders/compy engineering students and geeks that really have a far superior knowledge of tech to be pleased with something so market driven, catered and polished as win or mac Which makes sense I guess I personally am really enjoying vista ultimate. It also cost me zilch(got an RTM through my employers TechNet subscription...the IT guy at work owed me *big time* for doing his extensive home theater setup ) Also got Office 2007 this way Vista media center is almost flawless(the library system needs a tweak - but that is WMPs fault really) and the only problem Ive had gaming is Tiger Woods 2007....damn you EA! Theyve even said, "yep, we'll fix that...in TW 2008!!" The nerve ... Everything else I play is dandy Im also involved in the windows home server beta(a tweaked server 2k3 lite), and for a server n00b like me - I have to admit - Im really enjoying its ease of use and functionality. I have loaded ubuntu once about a year ago, just to have a squiz'n'play. Quite nice visually..but wiped it when I sold that laptop mtfbwya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BongoBob Posted June 16, 2007 Share Posted June 16, 2007 Be careful, an old friend of mine lost 2 computers to linux. Que? I need more details, like exactly how he lost them to linux, because frankly that smells like a load of crap Sabretooth, welcome to the ubuntu community If you're looking to game on ubuntu, in addition to wine I'd look around certain websites that start with iso and end in hunt for cedega. Some games work great in one, but not the other. I get better performance in Wine with CS:S then I do in cedega, but better performance in WoW with cedega then I do with wine. Also, Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory is natively supported on Linux, and is fun as hell to boot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabretooth Posted June 16, 2007 Author Share Posted June 16, 2007 Well I did try Wine and it seems decent enough. But I'm still more comfortable gaming on my XP, thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stingerhs Posted June 16, 2007 Share Posted June 16, 2007 ^^^^ Official Wolfenstein FAQ for Linux Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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