Teacher at DarthDingDongs School Put in Hospital by Pupils

[Jae Onasi]

What does the policy of appeasement have to do with a few smart-aleck teens?

 

Unless you think they're going to amass a giant war machine and invade Arkansas or something.

[Corinthian]

It's the same general principle, this misperception that fighting fire with fire only results in an inferno. Proper application of force is, and should be, the last weapon in an arsenal, but it should always be in the arsenal. A little inflammation of the butt now can result in proper discipline later, in much the same way that properly subjugating Germany at the end of World War I might have resulted in six million Jews not having their gold teeth ripped out before they got flung into a cyanide gas chamber. We've become so complacent over the last hundred years, so scared of War that we've become scared of Human Conflict in general. The infection has trickled down gradually from the global scale to the personal scale like a creeping fungus.

[mur'phon]

The violence only becomes acceptable because it is used alot; I personally feel it should be there as a last resort, as part of a varied and effective parenting style.

 

Again, I'm no expert, but it seems like the distinction betwen a little and a lot would be a nightmare for the courts.

 

Corinthian: I didn't say violence is never the answer, and I don't see how not smacking children turns them into pasifists

[jonathan7]

Again, I'm no expert, but it seems like the distinction betwen a little and a lot would be a nightmare for the courts.

 

Corinthian: I didn't say violence is never the answer, and I don't see how not smacking children turns them into pasifists

 

Perhaps the destinction is difficult, but our children seem to be becomming less well behaved, and indeed some sections of society are degenerating and the question is why? I think for all the psychologyical data perhaps the standard of parenting is going down?

[Corinthian]

Because of the destruction of the violent variable. These days, the going standard is that enforcing discipline via force is wrong, no matter what. If you discipline a child physically, it has become abusive. This trend has resulted in the divorcing of the primary enforcement of right and wrong - Pain. Pain is the ultimate tool in the arsenal of Discipline.

 

Proper application of pain now means less pain later. Thus, you can rule by Fear of Force rather than Force itself.

[jonathan7]

Because of the destruction of the violent variable. These days, the going standard is that enforcing discipline via force is wrong, no matter what. If you discipline a child physically, it has become abusive. This trend has resulted in the divorcing of the primary enforcement of right and wrong - Pain. Pain is the ultimate tool in the arsenal of Discipline.

 

Proper application of pain now means less pain later. Thus, you can rule by Fear of Force rather than Force itself.

 

Yes and no, the pain factor doesn't work on some, for example, if the 'pain factor' used on my father at boarding school had been used on me, during my childhood the result would have been very bad for those attempting to cain me.

 

Harsh dicipline on intelligent non-conformists, is a very bad idea. The threat of pain is a far more useful tool in discipline than actual pain. And for those who think what we are discussing is barbaric, why do most people obey the law? The state rules through fear of violence, you will obey the law of the land otherwise the police will deal with you in one way or another.

 

EDIT: However I don't think apeasement is relevant, however if going to War, all other avenues should be explored before going to War. However War should have been declared on Germany when they went into what is now the Czech Republic. It is also easy to look back at say what should or should not have been done. Just my 2 cents. No need to discuss it anymore.

 

I also think violence is generally abhorrent, and something that should only ever be used as a last resort.

 

Edit to a Corinthian comment:

The brain is far mightier than the sword.

[Sabretooth]

The brain is far mightier than the sword

That, like the whole pen thing is a lie. You go on telling that to the innocents that are slaughtered everyday. To Bush and his anti-terrorism crusade. To Osama and his anti-American crusade. To all the millions of people fighting right now.

 

The brain is not mightier than the sword for the simple reason that it is easier and faster to chop a brain with a sword than to disarm a sword with a brain.

[mur'phon]

I'm with J7 on this one, trust me, you can hit back, though it often hurt you more than your "opressor". The kid can struggle against the parrent, screaming just for the sake of getting revenge, not caring that it harms itself.

[jonathan7]

The brain is not mightier than the sword for the simple reason that it is easier and faster to chop a brain with a sword than to disarm a sword with a brain.

 

I take it then, that you have never done Krav Maga? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krav_Maga

 

Bush, Bin Laden et al, only have the power they do because of the masses behind them, and those who would obey orders; Bush is particuarly vulnerable as he lives in a democracy...

 

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If we take the above boarding school anology, they key is secrecy and planning. Don't let anyone else in on it and it hard, you could in theory launch a campaign; superglue his chair, plant incriminating things in his desk etc...