GarfieldJL Posted October 15, 2008 Author Share Posted October 15, 2008 QFT In other related news... MORE VOTER FRAUD (there is a section for comments here, so please be advised that some language may be inappropriate for children, thank you.) ...interesting quote... And back to Ohio... http://www.newsday.com/news/politics/wire/sns-ap-voter-registration-lawsuit,0,7676394.story http://www.startribune.com/politics/national/president/30984579.html http://www.wgntv.com/landing_national/?Full-federal-appeals-court-sides-with-Oh=1&blockID=99807&feedID=23 Seems to me the Republicans are on to something. Additionally, I will take your lack of providing of sources to mean that the 'ACORN issue is gaining momentum' statement means that it is gaining momentum among the extremely conservative group who is grasping desperately at straws to try and slow down the momentum that Obama currently has. This of course has little relevance on whether or not it is influencing the undecided voters, which continued polls would indicate it is not. It has to do with reports of posts being deleted on Obama forum sites and people being banned, after expressing concern about the ACORN issue. The difference between this situation and Ayers is because he gave them campaign money, and there is an FBI investigation involved. It also looks like the Hillary Clinton supporters are fired up, basically the line is Obama had ACORN help him cheat, among other things. I'm going to treat it as a rumor for now but if this is true we have a game changer. http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/10/11/angry-hillary-supporters-helping-obama-voter-fraud-investigation/ Note: I have no idea what the documentary videos will say, cause I don't have audio currently. Here is a pro Hillary site http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=35498 Another pro-Hillary site http://hillbuzz.wordpress.com/2008/10/10/clinton-supporters-sharing-evidence-for-rico-case-against-obama-campaign/ I'm waiting for someone else to pick this up for confirmation though, other than flopping aces and Hillary supporter sites. EDIT: Found something else that links Obama with ACORN http://www.theage.com.au/world/us-election-2008/republicans-link-rival-to-voter-fraud-scheme-20081015-51hf.html Senator Obama helped Acorn and other groups register voters in 1992 when he was the director of Project Vote and last year hailed it for being "smack dab in the middle" of increasing voter participation. Acorn has endorsed Senator Obama in the presidential election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KinchyB Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 And back to Ohio... You do realize that you are comparing invalid voter registrations to the GOP actively trying to prevent the other party from voting....right? Given your blatant bias I doubt it, but worth pointing out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 And has been pointed out on several occasions, in several threads, voter registration fraud is not the same as actual voter fraud. Voter registration fraud doesn't impact an election because people who don't exist but are registered to vote don't actually vote. Because they don't exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilles Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 Nevermind that the election hasn't even taken place yet. ...in case those non-people actually did intend to vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarfieldJL Posted October 16, 2008 Author Share Posted October 16, 2008 And has been pointed out on several occasions, in several threads, voter registration fraud is not the same as actual voter fraud. Voter registration fraud doesn't impact an election because people who don't exist but are registered to vote don't actually vote. Because they don't exist. Oh but it is, especially in Ohio, ever heard of same day registration, they can submit an absentee ballot in with their voter registration without any real identification. Anyways Obama is trying to cover up the depth of his associations with ACORN and now trying to Cover up the cover up. http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/7203 http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/10/oops-obama-camp-caught-scrubbing-its.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 Oh but it is, especially in Ohio, ever heard of same day registration, they can submit an absentee ballot in with their voter registration without any real identification.If it's as easy as all that why have all investigations past and present found no incident of major voter fraud? The only thing that's ever been discovered is voter registration fraud. Remember that the actual voter fraud is likely going to have to be in massive numbers in order to sway a presidential election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Web Rider Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 Oh but it is, especially in Ohio, ever heard of same day registration, they can submit an absentee ballot in with their voter registration without any real identification. no, so I googled it. It's a new ruling actually, as of September 30th through august 6th, voters can register AND vote on the same day. And yes, no ID is required. They CANNOT register AND vote on "election day" Nov 4th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 Indeed, and from August 6th to November 4th is a lot of time for election officials to determine if those votes come from eligible sources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Web Rider Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 Indeed, and from August 6th to November 4th is a lot of time for election officials to determine if those votes come from eligible sources. Sorry, my brain was backwards when I wrote that, it's September 30th to October 6th. So the deadline still passed quite some time ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarfieldJL Posted October 16, 2008 Author Share Posted October 16, 2008 If it's as easy as all that why have all investigations past and present found no incident of major voter fraud? The only thing that's ever been discovered is voter registration fraud. Remember that the actual voter fraud is likely going to have to be in massive numbers in order to sway a presidential election. Excuse me, but what investigation? The Ohio Secretary of State is still stonewalling. And lot of elections have been decided recently by a few hundred votes, and we're looking at potentially thousands fraudulent ballots, fraudulent voter registrations, etc. Anyways, the voter fraud (remember many of them are being submitted with absentee ballots and no photo ID) situation can be proven true just using math that I believe even a kindergartner could understand. Indianapolis, Indiana 105% of the population that is eligible to vote is registered. In other words there are more people registered than are legally eligible to vote. http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/more_voter_registration_shenanigans_indianapolis_has_105_of_its_population/ http://www.thetimesonline.com/articles/2008/10/07/news/top_news/doc775d398de8488399862574da008320af.txt Nevada - FBI raided ACORN offices http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/politics/national/stories/100808dnspocowvote.303ea03.html Even MSNBC can't deny it: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27075582/ Missouri: ACORN is under investigation yet again, oh and people have been convicted before. In April, eight ACORN workers in St. Louis city and county pleaded guilty to federal election fraud for submitting false registration cards for the 2006 election. U.S. Attorney Catherine Hanaway said they submitted cards with false addresses and names, and forged signatures. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081009/ap_on_el_ge/voter_fraud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 whoops! I actually read an article on the early voting but accidentally echoed the August typo as well. Still an entire month for election officials to go over early votes is more than enough to weed out most if not all ineligible votes that were cast. Edit - You really ought to read the articles you're linking GarfieldJL, one of them explicitly states that ACORN themselves notified officials about the fraudulent registrations Charles Jackson, communications director for ACORN, said Monday its administrators screened out the 1,100 registration forms in question and warned county officials the documents were suspect. He said ACORN left the final decision to discard the forms to county officials. He said ACORN has fired and reported to law enforcement any employees suspected of vote fraud. "We consider it stealing from ACORN," Jackson said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarfieldJL Posted October 16, 2008 Author Share Posted October 16, 2008 Still an entire month for election officials to go over early votes is more than enough to weed out most if not all ineligible votes that were cast. Actually, we're down to a few days now due to Ohio law, unless the US Supreme Court orders an extension on the deadline due to the Ohio Secretary of State's stonewalling and preventing these absentee ballots from being checked, once they are opened there is no way to figure out which one is legit and which isn't and she knows that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rake Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 Last time I checked, Voter Fraud did not equal Election Fraud (correct me if I am mistaken). From my understanding, the workers paid by the amount of cards filled out, are just making up names. So are "Han Solo," and "Mickey Mouse," really going to vote (again, correct me if I am mistaken)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilles Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 Nope, pretty sure that you hit the crux of the real issue (not the fake one) right on the head. Kudos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KinchyB Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 Last time I checked, Voter Fraud did not equal Election Fraud (correct me if I am mistaken). From my understanding, the workers paid by the amount of cards filled out, are just making up names. So are "Han Solo," and "Mickey Mouse," really going to vote (again, correct me if I am mistaken)? Depends if you are of the feline persuasion or not... in the human world we like to call reality no they are not the same thing. So you are correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarfieldJL Posted October 17, 2008 Author Share Posted October 17, 2008 Last time I checked, Voter Fraud did not equal Election Fraud (correct me if I am mistaken). From my understanding, the workers paid by the amount of cards filled out, are just making up names. So are "Han Solo," and "Mickey Mouse," really going to vote (again, correct me if I am mistaken)? If we're talking about Ohio, then the answer would be yes, because they don't have to show ID in the absentee ballots. There are a few other states where this is the case. Anyways looks like the supreme court just threw the election to Obama. They are basically saying that a private citizen can't sue the state. Since Ohio's governor is a Democrat, any credibility in this election has been thrown out the window. The Secretary argues both that the District Court had no jurisdiction to enter the TRO and that its ruling on the merits was erroneous. We express no opinion on the question whether HAVA is being properly implemented. Respondents, however, are not sufficiently likely to prevail on the question whether Congress has authorized the District Courtto enforce Section 303 in an action brought by a private litigant to justify the issuance of a TRO. http://www.supremecourtus.gov/opinions/08pdf/08A332.pdf So as one can see they didn't even rule on the fact she was breaking the law, they just basically argued that they weren't even allowed to sue. I'm going to guess right off the cuff that this was a 5-4 ruling, the 4 liberals plus justice Kennedy (the swing vote) are the majority, and the 4 conservative justices are the minority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilles Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 There probably isn't going to be a lot of new info here for people that have been following this via legitimate news sources, however I thought it might be a helpful "level-set" nonetheless. Link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarfieldJL Posted October 18, 2008 Author Share Posted October 18, 2008 There probably isn't going to be a lot of new info here for people that have been following this via legitimate news sources, however I thought it might be a helpful "level-set" nonetheless. Link I don't really care what the left wing propaganda's excuse for journalism, the AP says, they have as much credibility as the New York Times and ABC news, no credibility whatsoever. ABC News using Obama Contributer as Expert witness: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/terry-trippany/2008/10/17/abc-news-used-obama-contributor-expert-defense-acorn NBC and MSNBC example conflict of interest: "Meet the Press" interim moderator Tom Brokaw sits on the board of a liberal foundation that has given radical left-wing group ACORN $821,000 and that in turn is funded by liberal uber-donor George Soros, research reveals. http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matthew-vadum/2008/10/17/flash-tom-brokaw-involved-soros-funded-charity-funds-acorn An example of the AP's lack of credibility: Well, the AP has done it again. They have given us leftist propaganda and painted it as news. This time they have published the results of a "study" that claims that "Bush lied" in the run-up to Iraq and somehow the AP forgot to mention that the organization that released this study was funded by extreme leftist George Soros, who has spent billions funding the Democrat Party and many far left think tank and advocacy organizations. Yeah, THAT study is going to be legitimate! Another link about the AP: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2008/02/16/ap-attacks-mccains-temper-edited-f-words http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/2007/07/29/acorn-vote-registration-fraud-wa-are-there-2004-ramifications Relates to Photo IDs for Voter ID: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/jason-aslinger/2008/04/29/supreme-court-splintered-only-conservative-decisions Now I actually quoted the ruling, and to be frank the Supreme Court only said that the GOP didn't have any authority to sue in the first place which is garbage. I also know the current makeup of the Supreme Court because we've covered it in my History Class concerning the United States Constitution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KinchyB Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 I don't really care what the left wing propaganda's excuse for journalism, the AP says, they have as much credibility as the New York Times and ABC news, no credibility whatsoever. An example of the AP's lack of credibility: Now I actually quoted the ruling, and to be frank the Supreme Court only said that the GOP didn't have any authority to sue in the first place which is garbage. I also know the current makeup of the Supreme Court because we've covered it in my History Class concerning the United States Constitution. You know, you could shorten your posts considerably by just saying "Any source that does not share my exact right wing point of view is invalid". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilles Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 I don't really care what the left wing propaganda's excuse for journalism, the AP saysNo, I think we're all quite aware that you only care what right wing propaganda's excuse for journalism has to say. ADFO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarfieldJL Posted October 18, 2008 Author Share Posted October 18, 2008 No, I think we're all quite aware that you only care what right wing propaganda's excuse for journalism has to say. ADFO Actually, considering that most journalists (in the United States) believe it or not are registered democrats and it is extremely difficult for conservatives to survive in the news business because any mistake they make will be jumped all over by left wingers in the Main Steam media, I would find a conservative news source more reliable and here is why. Comparison it's a logic reasoning: When one of the rest of the media makes a gaff or is dishonest, they don't pick up on that fact as being dishonest, or they report it as though it's true, or they calmly sweep it under the rug and walk away. If someone on Fox News makes even an accidental gaff or even as minute as a typo, you have everyone and their grandma in the mainstream media jumping all over them trying to paint them as dishonest. In conclusion: Fox News gets held to a higher standard than the "establishment" because the mainstream media is so eager to find any fault they can to discredit them. Therefore, it seems like Fox News is more credible because they aren't in the "good ol boys" network. Anyways stop trying to paint me as an idealogue, it took time for Fox News to earn my trust, and I did my own research on the side. (Like actually reading the Supreme Court Ruling). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilles Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 My response ADFO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Det. Bart Lasiter Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 Anyways stop trying to paint me as an idealogue, it took time for Fox News to earn my trust, and I did my own research on the side. (Like actually reading the Supreme Court Ruling). Ehh... stop acting like an ideologue then? You tout sources with blatant biases (you need only look at the top of the page of the "Newsbusters" site you just linked to to ascertain their slant on things) and then slam every news source for being biased whenever their bias doesn't coincide with yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarfieldJL Posted October 18, 2008 Author Share Posted October 18, 2008 Nevermind that the election hasn't even taken place yet. ...in case those non-people actually did intend to vote. Once the absentee ballots are open there is no way to match up which ones came from the fraudulent registrations. That's what the Ohio Secretary of State is counting on, and the FBI is involved in several states investigating the matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilles Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 Step 1: When cornered, ignore point and respond to 2 day old post. Step 2: Hope no one notices. ADFO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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