EnderWiggin Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 I can prove that Hamas and Hezbolla endorsed him. Unfortunately, that has nothing at all to do with Barack Obama himself, or his future presidency. _EW_ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astor Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 No he said that he would meet without preconditions. So I may have used the wrong word, but you've not addressed the point. There is a difference between diplomacy and sitting down face to face and legitimizing a lunatic. There's also a difference between opening a dialog and an Abrams blowing up a mosque, or Black Hawks screaming across the desert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarfieldJL Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 So I may have used the wrong word, but you've not addressed the point. Oh but I have, when Reagan met with Gorbachev, he did so after months of low-level diplomats having meetings and there were conditions attached. When President Kennedy tried to meet with a Soviet Leader prior to that he ended up looking weak which resulted in the Cuban Missile Crisis. There's also a difference between opening a dialog and an Abrams blowing up a mosque, or Black Hawks screaming across the desert. You're missing the point, I'm not saying low-level diplomatic talks won't help, but just flying in on Air Force One (which is what Obama suggested) to have tea only emboldens them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mimartin Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 I can prove that Hamas and Hezbolla endorsed him.You keep forgetting that McCain got the all important Al-Qaeda endorsement. You're missing the point, I'm not saying low-level diplomatic talks won't help, but just flying in on Air Force One (which is what Obama suggested) to have tea only emboldens them. No true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarfieldJL Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 You keep forgetting that McCain got the all important Al-Qaeda endorsement. An endorsement I'm still wondering why the heck they were dumb enough to give, unless they think McCain is just going to be playing hide and seek. That's assuming that they aren't really pulling for Obama but are trying to get it so McCain loses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mimartin Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 An endorsement I'm still wondering why the heck they were dumb enough to give, unless they think McCain is just going to be playing hide and seek. They want to kill Americans and get more recruits. McCain wants to stay in Iraq thus making it easier to kill Americans and get more recruits to defend their holy land from the evil invaders. They don’t care who the President is, they just want to bring us to our knees. It is just less travel under McCain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Litofsky Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 I'm saying they support him because he believes as they do. Wait, did you just call Barack Obama a Muslim, despite the fact that you've used Reverend Wright and his Church against him? I'm trying to find some of the other stuff, the MSM has actually been removing articles. Do you have any proof of such accusations? No he said that he would meet without preconditions. I don't see what's wrong with that. Please, elaborate as to why you think this is a bad move on Obama's part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mimartin Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 I don't see what's wrong with that. Please, elaborate as to why you think this is a bad move on Obama's part. It is not true. It is a story that was made up. Obama never said the President of the United States would set down with anyone. Obama: Senator McCain mentioned Henry Kissinger, who's one of his advisers, who, along with five recent secretaries of state, just said that we should meet with Iran – guess what – without precondition. This is one of your own advisers. McCain: By the way, my friend, Dr. Kissinger, who's been my friend for 35 years, would be interested to hear this conversation and Senator Obama's depiction of his -- of his positions on the issue. I've known him for 35 years. Obama: We will take a look. McCain: And I guarantee you he would not -- he would not say that presidential top level. Obama: Nobody's talking about that. [/Quote] Kissinger Sept. 20: Well, I am in favor of negotiating with Iran. And one utility of negotiation is to put before Iran our vision of a Middle East, of a stable Middle East, and our notion on nuclear proliferation at a high enough level so that they have to study it. And, therefore, I actually have preferred doing it at the secretary of state level so that we -- we know we're dealing with authentic... CNN's Frank Sesno: Put at a very high level right out of the box? Kissinger: Initially, yes.But I do not believe that we can make conditions for the opening of negotiations. [/Quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarfieldJL Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 They want to kill Americans and get more recruits. McCain wants to stay in Iraq thus making it easier to kill Americans and get more recruits to defend their holy land from the evil invaders. They don’t care who the President is, they just want to bring us to our knees. It is just less travel under McCain. Correction, McCain wants to stay in Iraq only as long as the Iraqis need the United States, now if the EU would be willing to supplement the police work (which the US isn't doing much of anymore), as well as serve as Iraq's airforce until Iraq can defend itself, I'm sure we'd be more than willing to leave at this juncture. Iraq has become a humiliating defeat for Al Qaeda, the Iraqis that were fighting us, got so ticked off at Al Qaeda's terrorist tactics, that they actually decided to help us throw Al Qaeda out of Iraq. McCain and every Republican honestly wants to leave Iraq, but we want to make sure that we've done the job right, so that we don't have to go back in 5 years from now, because everything has fallen apart and we just have to go back in again. Obama quite frankly just doesn't care, and reports are that he actually tried to sabotage an agreement as far as turning over parts of Iraq back to the Iraqis. I can do some digging later to back this part up too. Look at how Iraq deteriorated from 2003-2006, through this time McCain was demanding more troops in Iraq while President Bush was living in a fantasy world listening to Rumsfeld. Finally, McCain forced Rumsfeld's resignation and forced President Bush to support a troop surge and put General Petraeus in charge. Now look at Iraq today, it's nothing like the Iraq of 2006. Look at President Bush's thinking Putin was a swell guy and McCain could see three letters K-G-B. Everyone was bashing McCain for being a warmonger, but it turned out he was right, see Russia's invasion of Georgia, where Obama said the Georgians needed to show restraint. McCain called it how it was, while Obama floundered everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mimartin Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 Do you really believe the reason we are there makes any difference to terrorist attempting to kill American troops? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarfieldJL Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 Do you really believe the reason we are there makes any difference to terrorist attempting to kill American troops? Not to them, but I sincerely believe they've actually lost their recruiting base bigtime, especially since their attacks have lately been on Iraqi civilians and not American troops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mimartin Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 Not to them, but I sincerely believe they've actually lost their recruiting base bigtime, especially since their attacks have lately been on Iraqi civilians and not American troops. You think! Could it be that we have more American there due to the surge. I hope you are right, but I have my doubts. We will see as they pull troops back to pre-surge levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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