How do you view sith lords?

[Chevron 7 locke]

I can counter this argument...just give me a few hours...

 

*A few hours later*

But the sith are strong. Look at the amount of jedi who were killed by them over the years.

[Darth_Yuthura]

Look at the number of sith that died to the Jedi.

[Chevron 7 locke]

Look at the number of jedi who died at the hands of the sith. in my humble opinion...the two sides are evenly matched

[Darth Avlectus]

If you read both darth bane novels, you'll find it's Bane's doing that actually allowed the galaxy to be at peace. For about 1000 years. Then took over. And again and again the cycle goes.

We are still finding out more and more all the time. Also, A'sharad Hett found the sith lady Xoxxann holocron--became darth krayt.

Where did Darth Andeddu come from?

Like the upcoming mmorpg storyline for The Old Republic. The emperor of the true sith. Go read this month's PC gamer issue if you don't believe me.

Though the sith are eventually defeated, some knowledge and practitioner still slipped through the cracks. Time passes. The jedi are hunted down to defeat. And it begins again. It's one big endless alternating cycle.

 

Well we don't really see much regarding the Potentium side in the movies. You have too look more into the EU. Aren't the 'grey' Jedi a minority anyways....?

 

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I used to be more grey in my views...now I think I'm a chaotic neutral who intends well but ends up screwing things over even worse like Vash the stampede. Overall still grey.

 

Allronix, sadly I think I actually agree with you on something...well, it's not the first time. Everyone without lightsabers, best of luck, err may the fates be kind to ya... since the force ain't with ya.

 

I'm still at a loss as to how there can be balance when you have only one of two extremes in the galaxy.

I think the Sith bring perspective. Sure, they do do a lot of killing and all that darksider stuff but if you only have one way of looking at things you're missing both parts of the puzzle. It's sort of like... only eating vanilla ice cream you're entire life, never experiencing chocolate. When one day you decide to have that yummy swirly kind and realize you've been missing so much.

Wait a minute I have an idea! Let's all just come together and forget the lightside and darkside and- *slice, pzzzzt, scream*

(Random Jedi) "Phew, good thing that is over. Wouldn't want those Sith back again. People might actually start to think that we need a "balance". Sheesh!"

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For example, take the conquestadors. They were conquering much of South America for god, glory, and gold. They were bringing honor to their countries and viewed as heroes back home. But what about the people they were conquering? They looked like bloodthirsty murderers, destroying innocent people except for their own gain.

 

Think about that one for a moment.

 

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{snoring, drooling}.........What? JK That's actually a pretty good point. You can't make everyone happy.

I'm still at a loss as well. I wonder what would happen if all force adepts were ALL killed off? I theorize the galaxy would just go on. Nothing would change and basically the past 25,000+ years would repeat itself although technology would be a bit more advanced, and the galaxy would now have more ruins and relics and even more mysteries.

 

Anarchy would not last for too awful long relative to the life of the galaxy before someone else was in charge.

 

Having grey jedi is pretty much the same as the alternating swings from extreme light and extreme dark. Just less extreme

 

Ah conquestadors. There is some relevant earth history.

 

The samurai are often looked at as chivalrous and honorable as well. Yet when you look into how the shaolin view them, you would think they were/are nothing more than brutal armored marauding soldiers with a "code" to save face. Japan did invade China once. Actually, they invaded a load of places. Americans view Japan's history as an honorable one and that of securing peace. Their neighbors have varying views of them. Many of them not good.

 

 

How about Vlad the impaler? Vlad Tep`es Dracula?

He's romania's favorite son. Hailed as a hero and a strong king.

In fact, one could attribute europe's stability during the time of the crusades and those wars with Turkey to Vlad.

 

It was his gory brutality that more or less kept invaders at bay.

That whole impaling thing from groin to mouth and making victims survive two days. That must have taken practice.

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Yeah...bane tried caused chaos to draw attention away from himself, that hardly seems like keeping the galaxy at peace

[Darth Avlectus]

Yeah...bane tried caused chaos to draw attention away from himself, that hardly seems like keeping the galaxy at peace

 

 

The galaxy had been at endless war since the end of...KOTOR 2... or whatever with the upcoming "Old Republic" MMORPG and the war against the "emperor of the true sith".

 

SOOO, The way I see it, bane and the thought bomb detonation ended that war which was tearing the galaxy off its hinges and apart at the seams.

 

Then the ruusan reformation was on.

 

All the while blind to Bane's existence.

 

Then the little mishap 10 years later that ended with the jedi being deceived into believing the sith were actually exterminated into extinction. When in fact they were quite alive, in the new order, the rule of two.

 

A thousand years of ascention and manipulation later, the 6 films.

[whatthehell]

this all goes back to my point that one cannot exist without the other

[Rev7]

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This is very true.

 

This then brings us to the Chosen One, who brings the balance to the force. This is from the Jedi--that only the Jedi will be around, no Sith. If there was no EU, then technically, the prophecy would be correct.

 

Perhaps the true balance is when the two sides are actually fighting against each other? Beacause, with there being only one side existing w/o the other, there really is no balance to the force....???

[whatthehell]

exactly. if you look, i believe you will find that when there were no sith around, the jedi struggled and (like in Kotor2) go to the brink of extinction

[Rev7]

exactly. if you look, i believe you will find that when there were no sith around, the jedi struggled and (like in Kotor2) go to the brink of extinction

I kinda get what you are saying, although I think that your sentence is a little bit jobbled around.

[Darth Avlectus]

Could the emotional denial from one and raging passions (pun very intended) from the other be a major component of this alternating current?

 

Such severe swings, polar opposites. I have a hard time believing that they don't balance each other out.

 

I cannot comprehend existence of one without the other. It just doesn't happen.

 

Its a perpetual engine of conflict, which brings us purpose. Dynamic existence.

 

Perfection in any case is not something you actually obtain--it is something you constantly strive for, say the shaolin. I agree here in a very loose general way. Both strive for their form of perfection. While the galaxy is the hapless counterpart. Frankly it survives nonetheless.

 

Grey jedi go one way or another, but mostly stay indifferent to the extremes or totally on both.

[TKA-001]

I'd refute that with the complete bombardment of Taris, TKA. What you say has merit: I doubt Revan would have been as strict with his attacks had the True Sith never existed. But, knowing his tactical genius (as gathered from Kreia and Canderous), I seriously doubt that he would have destroyed the entirety of the Republic's infrastructure, as opposed to Malak's willingness to destroy an entire planet via orbital bombardment.

You forget Malak's reason for destroying Taris: removing the only edge the Republic military had over the Sith (Bastila). How else was he supposed to neutralize her? It's a city covering an entire planet. He doesn't have ten years to search the planet for one Jedi. He destroyed the whole planet's surface because it was the only way to achieve his goal. Do you mean to suggest that Revan would have resolved the situation in any other way?

[Jae Onasi]

Sith Lords: George's answer to super-enemies for the Jedi to fight against with near-impossible odds to that there is Much Tension and Conflict for A Good Story.

[Litofsky]

You forget Malak's reason for destroying Taris: removing the only edge the Republic military had over the Sith (Bastila). How else was he supposed to neutralize her? It's a city covering an entire planet. He doesn't have ten years to search the planet for one Jedi. He destroyed the whole planet's surface because it was the only way to achieve his goal. Do you mean to suggest that Revan would have resolved the situation in any other way?

Not entirely. I doubt that he would have used orbital bombardment as his first choice, however. He probably would have threatened an incredible amount of civilians, drawing out the Jedi in order to protect them.

 

Sith Lords: George's answer to super-enemies for the Jedi to fight against with near-impossible odds to that there is Much Tension and Conflict for A Good Story.

[JesusIsGonnaOwnSatan]

have you considered the possibility of the chosen one's prophecy not yet being fulfilled? anakin is the chosen one, but so far nothing he has done or caused has made any changes to the galaxy or the force long term. things just go on as they have done for millennia. perhaps this will be some super last card GL will play if they ever decide to end sw? (agh!! what a ghastly thought! )

 

another more plausible (imo) possibility is that whoever made that prophecy in the first place had some different view of what 'balance' is

[Chevron 7 locke]

But the choices Anakin made affected most of the known galaxy, because of him the empire rose and and fell and the choices he made affected jacen solo many years later and helped jacen choose to be a sith lord

[JesusIsGonnaOwnSatan]

anakin to jacen = 50 years or so.

not very much compared to thousands of years of major conflict.

anakins actions affected the whole known galaxy yes, but so did revan's, bane's, sidious', and almost every major dark lord in between.

 

maybe they'll make a plot to justify it, but from what i know, it wasnt too much of a difference.

does anyone know of something that makes the outcome of the prophecy ( thats currently known) significantly more important than all the other galaxy affecters?

(other than that he made around $9 billion for GL:lol:)

[Allronix]

My take on the whole battle between Jedi and Sith:

 

Once, there was the Force. The Force itself is neutral. Nature's capable of great cruelty, it's also capable of great mercy.

 

There were a cadre of mystics on Tython who figured out that they could pull strings on the web of life to do some pretty nifty things. They started delving deeper into the studies. Inevitably, because sentient beings are flawed, they start assigning names to things - dividing the whole into Ashala and Bogan, Light and Dark. These flaws lead to factionalism, with some swinging to one side, some swinging to the other, and the gray-walkers crushed in the middle.

 

Instead of the sentients studying and accepting the Force as is, they try to mangle it to fit ideology.

 

The Force does not approve. The Force needs to be in balance to survive, and having one faction dominate would weaken (and possibly kill) it. The more out of balance it is, the more violent the backlash to put it back into balance (example: The Clone Wars and Ruusan Thought Bomb). Therefore, it will never let one side achieve victory, and essentially dooms the galaxy to the eternal warfare of the two factions.

[whatthehell]

I kinda get what you are saying, although I think that your sentence is a little bit jobbled around.

 

i believe it. im not to good at grammer stuff

[Chevron 7 locke]

Allronix you may have a point there...give me a few minutes to come up with a nice argument.

 

* A few minutes later the little lightbulb over chev's head lights up*

People have said that the force has a sense of humor. how can something that is neutral have a sense of humor?

[Darth Avlectus]

(his whole little thing--I'm saving space here)

 

Pretty much my thoughts. I mean what really changed? Nothing. And the legacy series (~130 years after ROTJ ending) is about to spill into a multi conflict. It's been building up for awhile now that Darth Krayt has once again shown the brutal militant side/face of the sith. The sith are about to splinter off into multiple factions. JUST LIKE DAYS OF OLD!!!

 

Plus you have hints that a 4,000+ year old Celeste Mourne (who still looks HOT as ever BTW) is cracking up around the edges with that sith talisman eager to find another host and setting its sights on Cade Skywalker. She's already on edge, plus it's eager to let go of her and let her be killed.

Rhakghouls, and the sith magic associated with this are on the scene with the talisman. You also have multiple Jedi HOT for the talisman... one only to get word PWNED by Celeste. Others restrained by their newfound lover to be.

 

Also, the Imperial knights are about to be torn apart. Torn between serving the emperor who is treading mighty close to the dark side (we'll see how it goes), or serving the force as an imperial knight similar to jedi and not as grey as the jedi order ignorantly accuses them of being.

 

 

My take on the whole battle between Jedi and Sith:

 

Once, there was the Force. The Force itself is neutral. Nature's capable of great cruelty, it's also capable of great mercy.

There were a cadre of mystics on Tython who figured out that they could pull strings on the web of life to do some pretty nifty things. They started delving deeper into the studies. Inevitably, because sentient beings are flawed, they start assigning names to things - dividing the whole into Ashala and Bogan, Light and Dark. These flaws lead to factionalism, with some swinging to one side, some swinging to the other, and the gray-walkers crushed in the middle. Instead of the sentients studying and accepting the Force as is, they try to mangle it to fit ideology. The Force does not approve. The Force needs to be in balance to survive, and having one faction dominate would weaken (and possibly kill) it. The more out of balance it is, the more violent the backlash to put it back into balance (example: The Clone Wars and Ruusan Thought Bomb). Therefore, it will never let one side achieve victory, and essentially dooms the galaxy to the eternal warfare of the two factions.

 

LMAO! Exactly! You know, I *love* the way you put it. This I can totally agree with you on. With slight modification to one part: Grey walkers crushed, torn apart and forced onto one side or anoher, killed, or forced to run away.

 

 

Allronix you may have a point there...give me a few minutes to come up with a nice argument.

 

* A few minutes later the little lightbulb over chev's head lights up*

People have said that the force has a sense of humor. how can something that is neutral have a sense of humor?

 

Master Kavar said that.

 

Just because you are/it is a grey neutral NET, DOES NOT MEAN a dull personality--even if it is faceless or you are indifferent to the whole light vs dark thing.

 

Grey neutral COULD be calm...or it COULD be chaotic mayhen of shifitng from one extreme to the other and its net effect is to balance out in the middle. Be mindful.

[Darth_Yuthura]

I favor the Potentium theory that the Force is not inherently good or bad. It is how one uses it that matters.

 

Anger is a destructive emotion, but quite often, it leads to action that otherwise would not be taken. It comes from injustice, unfavorable outcomes, or frustration. If a person cuts you off in traffic, you may be angry for only a moment. The more extreme the injustice, the more intense the emotion becomes.

 

The worst way to use anger is when it doesn't have an outcome in which you can act on. If you are cheated out of something, you get angry because of an injustice. If you receive it later, your anger is gone because the injustice was resolved.

 

It is best to use emotion when it is drives you, but realize when to be free of it when it would debilitate or demoralize you. If someone you cared for was murdered, you may carry anger forever, but it would not have an outcome that is favorable.

 

The reason why the Jedi have nothing is so you have nothing left to lose. That in itself is good for a society, but deadly to an individual if society isn't the same way.

[Rev7]

i believe it. im not to good at grammer stuff

I believe it too.

[JesusIsGonnaOwnSatan]

in the Bible it says: "Be angry but do not sin."

if someone does something like brutally murdering your lover, it will most likely be extremely hard to not sin in that state. but if you dont, most of the time you'll not do something you're going to regret.

there are many christians who have forgiven those that have done them wrong in horrible ways like this.

there are also a lot that dont.

because anger clouds judgment.

the fact that it is hard is why the jedi preach no emotion i think. but that takes away peoples' humanity imo.

somewhere in there is the fundamental flaw of the jedi code. but im not exactly sure what that flaw is.

[Rev7]

There is no emotion=you are a robot

 

If you are a jedi, you are a fundementalist, in sense. The jedi really don't embrace you if you don't agree, or don't intentally follow what the Jedi Code says, and what their customs are. That is their flaw--fundamentalism. The Jedi brainwash their students if you really think about it. Not saying that the Sith don't...