Kwup Posted November 28, 2001 Share Posted November 28, 2001 the monkey has become more powerful than you can possibly imagine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jipe Posted November 28, 2001 Share Posted November 28, 2001 you don't "turn off" mipmapping.. it's an integral part of the engine. otherwise, something called the "moire effect" begins to happen.. a 128x128 texture fills up less screen pixels than 128x128, and you get weird patterns and worse framerate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agen Posted November 28, 2001 Share Posted November 28, 2001 *shudders* Remember tomb Raider chronicles clips? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilhuf Posted November 28, 2001 Share Posted November 28, 2001 Just as an aside, actually I really enjoyed Unreal 1's single player campaign. But the only reason I liked it is because I played it in cooperative multiplayer mode using Unreal Tournament. Was a lot of fun to play it using the UT weapons Meanwhile, I don't think we need ultra-colorful Jedi Outcast levels. After all, this is Star Wars. So, we must expect a lot of Star Wars Gray to go along with the typical mono-climate planets. Excuse the interruption... ... You may proceed with the monkeys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agen Posted November 28, 2001 Share Posted November 28, 2001 Ok i'm quite sure msot people would agree to replace the monkey with a spoon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwup Posted November 28, 2001 Share Posted November 28, 2001 there is no spoon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormHammer Posted November 28, 2001 Share Posted November 28, 2001 Originally posted by Agen_Terminator: [QB] StormHammer i wasn't insulting him... i was "abusing his right".. i mean i mean no insult.... Guilty conscience, Terminator? Tut tut. It was a general remark. Maybe the word I used was a little strong, though. And thanks for the welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agen Posted November 28, 2001 Share Posted November 28, 2001 And thanks for the welcome. No probs. "GET OFF MY SCREEN!" j/k there is no spoon *Raok drops dead to the floor because of the words he used* "Defy the spoon and u shall be detroyed" *shoots Monkey* "Muhuwhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah" Questions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwup Posted November 28, 2001 Share Posted November 28, 2001 yes I have a question... just exactly how old are you? not that I'm picking on youngin' but.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormHammer Posted November 28, 2001 Share Posted November 28, 2001 Terminator...you seem to have an unhealthy fascination with spoons and monkeys. When you want to start posting on topic again, just let me know... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwup Posted November 28, 2001 Share Posted November 28, 2001 I think it's the TV that's wrecking kid's brains what a shame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agen Posted November 28, 2001 Share Posted November 28, 2001 *Post deleted.* EDIT (Storm): Okay, Terminator, I gave you plenty of chances. Please stop spamming this thread. [ November 27, 2001: Message edited by: StormHammer ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwup Posted November 28, 2001 Share Posted November 28, 2001 I think he forgot his "little blue pills" this morning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormHammer Posted November 28, 2001 Share Posted November 28, 2001 RaoK...please don't encourage any more spam. This thread has veered off topic as it is. The next spam post gets deleted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madrebel Posted November 28, 2001 Share Posted November 28, 2001 I played JK from the time it came out until tribes1 came out. You may or may not remember me i dont care i know JK like the back o my hand. This leads me to think that. Youre all forgetting alot about JK and why it didnt do as well as other online games despite superior gameplay. 1. The zone horrible service, lets hope this time there is in game irc as well as a good in game browser (with the q3 engine this is pretty much a given) 2. No dedicated server q3 engine means dedicated server...linux dedicated server too. 3. Crappy net code Yes i realise that at the time the "ghost" model they used a good alternative, but it still sucked compared with q2s code. If you argue that youre an idiot. 4. Map/Level editor JKs map editor was weak and difficult to use. If anyone argues about the quake series user created maps compared to the JK user created maps then well again, youre an idiot. Qrad has turned out some an amazing amount of user made maps. Of the top of my head i only remember maybe 5 user maps that were really made well, maybe 15 total that were worth playing. 5. Cheats and dev support Cheats were NASTY in JK. Yes i had the toggle invul script and the toggle uber saber. Mainly as a defense against the l33t coggers. But the JK community had to make tools to help kick the cheaters (god i forget the name of that tool off hand). Basically the support from lucas arts paled in comparision to that of the iD type developers. Yes i realize quake2 had its share of cheats/aim bots. But with dedicated servers and server admins (perma bans and the like) dealing with these cheaters was easier. Now the Q3 engine has relatively no cheats when compared to q2 so that is very promising(yes i know about wall hacks and the aim bot, minor compared with Q2). It is my opinion that at the time JK had better graphics and better, faster, more varied (FF guns NF guns FF sabers NF saber...), and just all around more rewarding gameplay. Think for a second, you remember the JK saber duels over a 28.8? God it was so cool but man it so sucked. The ONLY real good saber duel i ever had was on a lan and man i think i soiled my drawls during that fight. Saber strikes actual skill had to be used. Hell primary attack was useful on the lan that was odd it wasnt just a secondary attack run around and hope you hit where he was going to be. Now think about this. Dedicated server, low ping broad band saber duels (me drools). That alone makes me cream for this game. OH man FF guns on oasis with a dedicated server and no need to guess where he might be in 2 seconds. JK2 promises IMO to have the best gameplay of any game out at the time. you shouldnt even mention the words unreal and gameplay in the same sentance also JK won best gave ever over some pretty huge titles from pc gamer. not an easy task. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante1587246514 Posted November 28, 2001 Share Posted November 28, 2001 Originally posted by RaoK: <STRONG> </STRONG> ok mr sarcasm...give me the game engine out on general release at the moment...oh and i mean as in already in a game on sale right now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormHammer Posted November 28, 2001 Share Posted November 28, 2001 Welcome to the forums, madrebel. Enjoy your stay. I can see you're really passionate about the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwup Posted November 28, 2001 Share Posted November 28, 2001 ...unreal engine > q3 engine many will dispute that, but I stand by my decision. why is that you say? because I'm a biased jerk who likes arguing, why else? anyways, I believe that the Dark Age of Camelot engine is better, thousands of people, great graphics, not as fast but just as good or better or what about the Tribes 2 engine? sure T2 sucked and Dynamix didn't do a good job with their engine, but you gotta admit 64 people at one time with little net lag = good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madrebel Posted November 28, 2001 Share Posted November 28, 2001 Well allow me to retort. Q3 engine is better and here is why. no software rendering code. the unreal/UT engine still has software rendering code in it. This slows down overall performance. now arguing U2 vs Q3 is apples to oranges. Im persoanlly more impressed with the very few doom3 shots/videos ive seen than i am with U2. I like how quiet iD has been with doom3. Not many screenies little gameplay footage no leaked alpha. Just seems more professional to me and i feel their engine will be superior. DAoC has a great engine. A great engine that isnt well suited for a FPS/ACTION game. Hell it doesnt even support 5 button mice wtf is that ? T2 would be pretty cool. Problem IMO is the editor is not condusive of indoor environments. Something that is a must for a JK style game. No current fps engine can do outdoor worlds like T2 that is true. Also if you think t2 doesnt lag to high hell with 64 players in the game youre smoking rope. My NASA system even slows to a crawl with that many. T2 was rushed sierra are faggits and i will only warez their games from here on out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwup Posted November 28, 2001 Share Posted November 28, 2001 er I mean on the bash Dynamix/Sierra part Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeathBoLT Posted November 28, 2001 Share Posted November 28, 2001 But the JK community had to make tools to help kick the cheaters (god i forget the name of that tool off hand). I believe your refering to JK Kicker Helper by MERC_Tiberius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madrebel Posted November 28, 2001 Share Posted November 28, 2001 that would be the tool in question yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jipe Posted November 28, 2001 Share Posted November 28, 2001 4. Map/Level editor JKs map editor was weak and difficult to use. If anyone argues about the quake series user created maps compared to the JK user created maps then well again, youre an idiot. Qrad has turned out some an amazing amount of user made maps. Of the top of my head i only remember maybe 5 user maps that were really made well, maybe 15 total that were worth playing. Sorry, I'm not an idiot. I've worked with *many* different level editors, including QERadiant, UnrealED, QOOLE, WED, fooled around in ShockED, and last but not least, JED. It is the best level editor I've used, preferable to anything else. The Quake community is/has been much larger than then JK community ever was, so by basic stats/probability there should be a higher percentage of quality projects. Have you ever played any of the MLP's (4 dm/1 ctf)? Maybe JED was difficult to use for you because you didn't bother trying to actually learn it, but it definitely is not weak. And no, I'm not a rabid JK "fanboy", I just don't like to see blatant misrepresentation.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madrebel Posted November 28, 2001 Share Posted November 28, 2001 quality maps brother. JK had very few quality maps/mappers. I personally thin JED was weak ive talked with may other mappers who think the same thing. So far its many opinions vs yours. fact no opinion yes. fact though is user created maps in JK for the most part were horrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainRAVE Posted November 28, 2001 Author Share Posted November 28, 2001 The Quake 3 engine is much better. It might have started off worse, but it had more room for improvements which is why it is still going strong and looks really good . By the way, nice to see Stormhammer doing a good job and stopping the annoying spamming ......nice one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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