Guest Vagabond Posted June 12, 2001 Share Posted June 12, 2001 So, Jan Ors will be back in this latest installment. It might just be me but I'd always thought Jan sort of had a crush on Kyle. She's got that innocent beauty about her, and Kyle's got that rugged, man-on-a-mission thing going on. It's only natural that the pheromones are going to fly. So who here thinks that there will be a love story between Kyle and Jan? Who would like to see one? Me? I'd kind of like to see something develop there - it seems natural. Of course, that means she'd be captured by the villain, and giving Kyle an extra-huge incentive to go rescue the love of his life. So, I'll be interested in hearing your thoughts on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormHammer Posted June 12, 2001 Share Posted June 12, 2001 Yeah, Vag. I think that would fit pretty well. The three books based on Kyle's exploits do actually hint at such a relationship. As for the villain holding onto her...hmmm, I don't know. It's sort of a tired old cliche, that one, IMO. I mean, Jedi Knight rescues damsel in distress? It would be better if Kyle gets himself in a fix, and Jan has to do the rescuing...a la Leia rescues Han... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wardz Posted June 12, 2001 Share Posted June 12, 2001 This might be the incentive he needs to come out of retirement, nice thought.. wardz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnlyOneCanoli Posted June 12, 2001 Share Posted June 12, 2001 Yeah, that would be interesting. I'd like to have it as an underlying plot, rather than have the game revolve around the love story. Haven't we saved the princess from Bowser and Zelda from Ganon enough? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Vagabond Posted June 12, 2001 Share Posted June 12, 2001 Yep, Storm, haivng Jan do the rescuing would be a nice twist, and fitting within the Star Wars tradition. Primarily, I was thinking that since Love is often held as most precious above all, that somehow this most perfect thing would need to be held in jeopardy, presumably by the nemesis. This creates a huge motivator for a final conflict. Or, borrowing from Return of the Jedi, perhaps the villain is threatening to turn Jan to the Dark side, rather than kill her (presuming she Force sensitive). This is fun to speculate about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wardz Posted June 12, 2001 Share Posted June 12, 2001 It wont really be that long before we start to get some details through will it? I mean concrete details, none of the rumour stuff. Shall we take bets on when the plot comes through from LEC?, I'd say *5 weeks max* - any improvements on 5? wardz Yay, im past 100 posts! Doing it the normal way *cough cough* captain rave.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormHammer Posted June 12, 2001 Share Posted June 12, 2001 Love can be an exceptionally powerful motivator. It was an underlying theme of ESB, and that turned out to be the best in the series, IMHO. Another film I enjoyed immensely in which love played a major part was Braveheart. Wallace took revenge on the entire English nation for injustice, which was triggered by the death of his wife. In a way, Gladiator reflected on this theme - Maximus is thinking about home and his family at the start and end of the film. It could make for a very strong underlying theme in Jedi Outcast. As I said before, the foundations were laid mostly in the books, but not really explored in any depth. In a way, Kyle's feelings for Jan did arise in Jedi Knight - the internal conflict during the cut scene when he could either choose to kill or save her. I'd like to think in the Light version that it is his love for Jan that prevents him from turning to the Dark Side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wardz Posted June 12, 2001 Share Posted June 12, 2001 Good point, ESB was my favourite as well. However, this talk about love could potentially make it a very compelling game BUT they must do it right or it could turn out to be very cheesy, and instead of people wanting to see the cutscenes again, their finger will be going straight for the ESC key every time... Love would be better as an underlying theme rather than a main story anyway IMO, and as much as I think it could be good, they are going to focus on this 'dark jedi' sort of person again.. We will have to wait and see! wardz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt-- Posted June 12, 2001 Share Posted June 12, 2001 i give it 6 weeks. They'll crack by then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Krayt Tion Posted June 12, 2001 Share Posted June 12, 2001 Of course, that means she'd be captured by the villain, and giving Kyle an extra-huge incentive to go rescue the love of his life. Jan was captured by Jabba along with Kyle, both were taken aboard Jabba's personal ship after it tractor beamed the Moldy Crow as it was leaving Nar Shaddaa. After Kyle escaped his death-by-Kell-Dragon fate he had to resque Jan, who we did finally get to see in game when he found her. This all happened in the original Dark Forces of course... they were definitely still friends after that from what we can gather. Hmm, nothing else to add at this time, except that the plot of JK2 should be deeper imo then anything they've done in DF or JK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arragorn Posted June 12, 2001 Share Posted June 12, 2001 I don't know, I'm more of a Crow fan when it comes to matters of love and justice... For me this movie proves that there is nothing cliche...it all comes down to the way you present things to an audience. The "save the princess" kind of plot is great for games like Donkey Kong or something. If LA starts thinking about making a plot like that, they'll have to put a lot of effort in it 'cause otherwise it will be as cliche as it could get... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt-- Posted June 12, 2001 Share Posted June 12, 2001 They told us about AI sidekicks. Maybe Jan is one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GonkH8er Posted June 12, 2001 Share Posted June 12, 2001 i wouldnt mind doing a bit of NPC interacting with jan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt-- Posted June 12, 2001 Share Posted June 12, 2001 Great. Now that you've come up with that in your twisted head, their are gonna be nude mods. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cliffe Posted June 12, 2001 Share Posted June 12, 2001 Are you saying you want to see Kyle & Jan do the wild thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted June 12, 2001 Share Posted June 12, 2001 ugh. a love story? Maybe something that ties in with the EU? Hopefully this game's plot will be as good as JK, which was a damn entertaining game IMHO. -The all powerful M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt-- Posted June 12, 2001 Share Posted June 12, 2001 Maybe it could be a hidden feature like you fire up ur dvd drive, enter a passcode, whatever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GonkH8er Posted June 12, 2001 Share Posted June 12, 2001 who knows.... maybe if we find ALL the secrets in the game, we'll get to see some action Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finalnight Posted June 12, 2001 Share Posted June 12, 2001 In Baldur's Gate II you get tons of action, and you can have it over and over and over... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Vagabond Posted June 12, 2001 Share Posted June 12, 2001 How did this discussion devolve from discussing love as a progression of Kyle's and Jan's relationship to cyber-porn? It's fairly safe to say that we won't be seeing any nude people in JKII. Did anyone ever wonder if there would have been any jealously brewing between Jan and Mara Jade in Mysteries of the Sith? Could have turned into a real cat fight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilhuf Posted June 12, 2001 Share Posted June 12, 2001 Clearly Jan has feelings for the Katarn. Why else would she show such dedication to him? I like the idea about Jan being somehow corrupted by the Dark Jedi, Thrawn (the mastermind) and their Force-channeling technology. Raven/LEC need to develop that story, and wrap it around lots of laser blasts, stormies, GNK Power droids, the Force, Dark Jedi and lightsabers. Nothing wrong with the old 'damsel in distress' story. The reason it's used so much is because it works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainRAVE Posted June 12, 2001 Share Posted June 12, 2001 Ok there are feelings there.....but theres nothing wrong with a man and a women being friends. Thats just sexist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Vagabond Posted June 12, 2001 Share Posted June 12, 2001 What if Kyle or Jan had siblings? Or, what if Kyle and Jan were brother and sister? Them being brother and sister would definitely fall within the Star Wars tradition, but would it be too much? For me, that was a big bite to swallow the first time around, so I don't know that it would be palatable as a second-helping. So let's take a closer look at Kyle or Jan having siblings. Oh! I have it! What if Kyle had a brother - a brother that was also strong with the Force - a brother that had succumbed to the dark side of the Force? This would be a good story. It's perfect! It's a story about temptation, disgrace, family, and redemption. Kyle's brother once a promising officer with the Alliance, suddenly disappeared and hadn't been heard from in the years since. The chilling truth is that his brother had uncovered an ancient Jedi artifact filled with the secrets of the dark side. At first repulsed, then torn and ashamed, Kyle's brother is soon seduced by the dark side, thus beginning his lustful quest for power. After years of relative peace, Kyle is summoned by the New Republic, and ordered to clandestinely investigate strange reports in the outer rim territories. Reluctantly, Kyle agreed, and upon arrival started putting the pieces of the puzzle together - a Dark Jedi. Kyle must face him. And it's then does Kyle realized that it's his own long-lost brother. Does he fight him? Does he kill him? Does he attempt to save him? The conflict here is great and compelling. I personally love this idea, even if I did come up with it on my own Granted, it's a bit like the Vader / Luke conflict, but this is brother -vs- brother, surely something that many of us males can relate to. So, what do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt-- Posted June 12, 2001 Share Posted June 12, 2001 Interesting. Such a touching, moving plot would be integral to getting really involved with the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wardz Posted June 12, 2001 Share Posted June 12, 2001 thats a nice idea vag, Bro v.s Bro. Whoever wins gets to rag Jan! Nah, only kidding. That would be interesting, having to destory your own brother.. it would be a very immersive plot -slighlty cathartic but never the less, its a new idea to mull over... wardz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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