SELYA Posted July 20, 2001 Share Posted July 20, 2001 Will AI be improved and how? . I don't want stormies to be stupid and I want dark jedi oponents to be weel trained .Now that we know that there will be bots in the game how good will they be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainRAVE Posted July 20, 2001 Share Posted July 20, 2001 It wont be improved. Its just gonna be totally different. Probably similar to the SOF AI which was pretty cool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ed_silvergun Posted July 20, 2001 Share Posted July 20, 2001 The AI will be better, for sure. Aren't they using that LICH AI system? Anyway, they've got a couple of guys just working on the AI for their two FPS projects: JK II and SOF. The enemies are bound to be smart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wardz Posted July 20, 2001 Share Posted July 20, 2001 ahh, ed where have you been? wardz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ed_silvergun Posted July 21, 2001 Share Posted July 21, 2001 Well Wardz, if I say the two words "British Telecom" to you, can you take a wild guess? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilhuf Posted July 21, 2001 Share Posted July 21, 2001 So what can you tell us about LICH? Could end users tweak bot AI? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ed_silvergun Posted July 21, 2001 Share Posted July 21, 2001 Originally posted by Wilhuf: <STRONG>So what can you tell us about LICH?</STRONG> Short answer: nothing. Long answer: bugger all. I read it on the <A HREF="http://www.storm.hammer.btinternet.co.uk/jofaq.htm">FAQ</A> at <A HREF="http://www.storm.hammer.btinternet.co.uk/johq.htm">StormHammer's Jedi Outcast HQ</A>: Raven have developed their own additions to the Q3A engine, including a hit zone and animation system known as GHOUL2, a scripting system known as ICARUS, and an advanced AI system known as LICH. They have also managed to tweak the engine to produce twice the number of polygons on screen, which should result in more detailed environments. Ask StormHammer, I would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wardz Posted July 21, 2001 Share Posted July 21, 2001 say no more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainRAVE Posted July 21, 2001 Share Posted July 21, 2001 What do all those stand for??? [ July 21, 2001: Message edited by: CaptainRAVE ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GonkH8er Posted July 21, 2001 Share Posted July 21, 2001 we could get the raven guys here to tell us about it. its not like its top secret info..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainRAVE Posted July 21, 2001 Share Posted July 21, 2001 Their all too busy "working".....actually, their probably just having long lunch breaks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toms Posted July 22, 2001 Share Posted July 22, 2001 It would be great to see some decent Team like AI from Stormies, at least until they spot you and come runnig at you shooting. It looks from the screenshots like they might actually walk around in formation. Think how much more atmosphere would be got if they talked, and pointed and gave orders. Eg: you are hiding and 10 stormtroopers march in. If you resist the impulse to attack them then 1 of them motions to the door and says "you two wait here" and then the others march off. Then the others stand there, shuffle occasionally, discuss what is going on. etc... It could all be pre-scripted until they actually spot you, but it would add a lot of atmosphere, a bit like in theif. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimi-Wan1587246508 Posted July 22, 2001 Share Posted July 22, 2001 That is a great idea, TomS. I would love to see that in JO. Going back to Seyla's original post, im going to have to disagree a little w/ your AI idea. The dark Jedi should be well trained, because, aren't they Jedi? Yet, i do agree that the ST should be smarter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ed_silvergun Posted July 23, 2001 Share Posted July 23, 2001 Originally posted by TomS: <STRONG>Eg: you are hiding and 10 stormtroopers march in. If you resist the impulse to attack them then 1 of them motions to the door and says "you two wait here" and then the others march off. Then the others stand there, shuffle occasionally, discuss what is going on. etc... It could all be pre-scripted until they actually spot you, but it would add a lot of atmosphere, a bit like in theif.</STRONG> There is a scripted moment very much like this in MotS on level 2, while you are exploring the asteroid. Basically, you went up a lift, got to the top, picked up a key, and when you came to go down the lift again, there were about 10 stormtroopers entering the room below you. I'd really love to see scripted moments like this in JK2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acdcfanbill Posted July 23, 2001 Share Posted July 23, 2001 yes, it makes it feel more movie like, and thats one of the reasons we play, to be like our hero, be it han, or luke or darth, or whoever. so, the more real, or movie-like, it seems the better it will go over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DashRendar11587246510 Posted July 23, 2001 Share Posted July 23, 2001 I would love to hear the conversations between stormies! "I'll play you in Sabaac after this" "Sure." "Did you hear about the (insert sporty sounding vehicle)?" "Yea, I love the (insert cool vehicle part)" What else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Byrne Posted July 25, 2001 Share Posted July 25, 2001 I just hope that when you shoot one stormie the others react, but I guess that's a given... How about if a single stormie spots you, instead of just mindlessly blasting you, he takes the time to inform the others on his com-link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PreTZeL Posted July 25, 2001 Share Posted July 25, 2001 these are some nice ideas, and im always up for improvements... welcome wraith; since when are we attracting x-wing pilots?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LackY Posted July 25, 2001 Share Posted July 25, 2001 why am I so sezy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acdcfanbill Posted July 25, 2001 Share Posted July 25, 2001 why are you so fulla it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PreTZeL Posted July 25, 2001 Share Posted July 25, 2001 dont mess with the lackmaster... hes dangerous, and MY FRIEND boy thats persuasive...heh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TornSoul Posted July 25, 2001 Share Posted July 25, 2001 Originally posted by DashRendar1: <STRONG>I would love to hear the conversations between stormies!</STRONG> This was done a couple of times in Elite Force. An example is this one place where you are onboard the scavenger station and you have to climb over a beam above a room filled with Klingons. You hear the Klingons talk about how they hate working together with the Humans and the other aliens. It would suprise me if they didn't do things like that in JK2. But what would be even better if they made it so the AI characters interact with each other without having to script it (at random). Like people saying hello to each other in the streets. Just little things like that which make the game seem more real. Complete intelligent conversations at random would be kinda hard to program, but that would be even better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ed_silvergun Posted July 25, 2001 Share Posted July 25, 2001 Yeah, some of the scripted moments in Elite Forceare brilliant. There's another bit on the scavenger vessel when you walk past a slightly open door and the guys inside say "did you hear something?". A moment later a few of them come out of the door to check it out. You have to hide yourself, coz if they spot you, one of them will raise the alarm. I agree, these sort of moments do make the game far more cinematic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PreTZeL Posted July 25, 2001 Share Posted July 25, 2001 this kinda technology makes my bones chill with excitement... think about how far weve come in less than ten years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Byrne Posted July 25, 2001 Share Posted July 25, 2001 Hey, PreTZel, thanks for the welcome! BTW, X-Wing pilots aren't averse to a visit to a hive of scum and villainy like this. Now how about an introductory drink? Lomin ale would be nice... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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