What should there absolutely be in JK2?

[Guest Lord Chief]

What feature should there absolutely be in the upcoming JK2? Should there be an emphasis on good graphics or should they focus more on creating an AI that finally knocks Half-Life of its 1st place.

 

I for one hope they create some interesting weapons with better useful secondary firemodes than there were in JK (the bowcaster was allmost useless for example) and a good AI.

 

Allthough good graphics would be nice, it is the least of my concerns. Elite Force has proven that good graphics do not make a good game. The AI in EF was quite bad indeed. Well I did my say, just let me hear opinions

[Myxale]

Well at first i want to see a very good sequel as a feature

 

But you've right so amazing AI ( in sabre fihgt ) i want to see.

not an laft and right Sabre swinger like Jerec....( boared)

 

A cool and heavy atmosphere!!!

 

Ya know...Katarn's ...journey has just begun...

[GonkH8er]

they were borgs, what can you expect.....

 

 

but im pretty confident the ai in jk2 will be on par with the best we've seen to date

[SlowbieOne]

One thing I thought was very unique to JK was how there was a bit of momentum when you move.

 

For some reason it really made it feel like I was in control of my guy much more than other FPS's.

[Darth Simpson]

Elite Force has proven that good graphics do not make a good game.

 

I enjoyed Elite Force, it was a great game. Your team-mate AI was impressive compared to other games, but the enemy AI was lacking, that I can agree with. Hopefully that will be fixed in JKII.

[darthfergie]

Well a really must have...would be radar:D and a good one at that. Some games I've seen may have radars...but they don't show walls or enemies or anything...just a dot up at the top and a dot in the center for you...

 

They should at least have quality AI like in Ghost Recon (some of the best AI I've ever seen)

[Lion Heart]

Something that adds replay value. I cant think of what it is yet.

[Agen]

Something that adds replay value. I cant think of what it is yet.

Fun, Enjoyment, naughty stuff (aka girls' locker room, dammit we're in space what about mara or jan )

[Lion Heart]

Originally posted by Agen_Terminator

naughty stuff (aka girls' locker room, dammit we're in space what about mara or jan )

 

 

That's the stuff.

[Vagabond]

Buildings. Buildings would be nice.

[Sounds Risky]

How about cities populated (and actually populated, not just 5 people) by different species, never really got that in JK. Also, more than 3 types of aliens would be good.

[StephenG]

Originally posted by GonkH8er

they were borgs, what can you expect.....

 

the borg AI was good, just like the movies. the guys thay were not the borg ***ed, the AI was funny.

 

Originally posted by Darth Simpson

I enjoyed Elite Force, it was a great game. Your team-mate AI was impressive compared to other games, but the enemy AI was lacking, that I can agree with. Hopefully that will be fixed in JKII.

 

the team AI was crap, there weapons were set on "wart removal", "dont kill the fly" setting or something like that. i felt like i was doing all the work...all they did was talk bah bah bah. it got annoying here them saying "how many are there" 6 millions times.

[Agen]

the team AI was crap, there weapons were set on "wart removal", "dont kill the fly" setting or something like that. i felt like i was doing all the work...all they did was talk bah bah bah. it got annoying here them saying "how many are there" 6 millions times.

 

Lol hope ur taking this in Raven!

[ed_silvergun]

Team AI was not crap in Elite Force, I was quite impressed by pathfinding abilities in particular. My team-mates never got lost, and always got on and off elevators with me at the right time. This alone is impressive, there are so many games where AI controlled team-mates just wander off and get lost.

 

Sure, their weapons were not very powerful, but this was for a reason. The game would be pretty boring if you could play through it with your team-mates doing all the work. You're right though, that your team-mates were at times a little too weak, and I too would like to see NPC allies in JK II a bit more potent than those in EF.

[StephenG]

Originally posted by ed_silvergun

Sure, their weapons were not very powerful, but this was for a reason. The game would be pretty boring if you could play through it with your team-mates doing all the work. You're right though, that your team-mates were at times a little too weak, and I too would like to see NPC allies in JK II a bit more potent than those in EF.

 

okay, so there are good points in the team AI like u said about not getting lost etc. i dont want the team AI weapons to be so powerful that they do all the work just enough for u to stop and think for a sec. The Barney guy from Half-life could kill those Elite Force guy in a few sec with his pistol but it would take forever for an Elite Force guy to kill a Barney with there "wort removal" phaser

 

 

btw...no offence Raven. It's just want a reckon.

[Kurgan]

Three things:

 

1) General open-endedness and lots of interactivity.

 

I'd like to see areas where there is more than one "right way" to accomplish the task or goal. I'd like to see cool secret areas and stuff that you can do that might not be obvious at first. Also I like messing around sometimes(ie: not necessarily trying to win, but goofing around, like annoying my ai buddies or starting a fight with the wrong side). I think that if you kill all your teammates (in SP, I agree that having a team damage OFF option in MP is a must), then you should just not be able to finish the level, it shouldn't "stop" you if you decide to do that. Like using Shogo:MAD as an example.

 

2) Editing.

 

We've been up and down this street before, but I think that we need definate official confirmation that we, the users, will be allowed to create mods for the game (using tools that will be provided, already exist, or help developing such tools) and release them for free download by other users. It's not whether editing will be possible that is the question, but whether it will be allowed, and/or encouraged. Let's hope so!

 

3) Variety is the spice of gaming.

 

LOTS of options. I mean specifically in multiplayer. Lots of modes of play, variables servers can mess with, features, skins, maps, inidividual customizations to play style, classes, weapons, taunts, force (including Dark and Light) etc. The more features, the more potential for fun, since it will take a lot longer to go through all the options. Go crazy with the options I say. And let us tweak the controls and individual settings for our hardware for our control preferences in both MP and SP. I don't know if having scripts for everything is a good idea (didn't Half Life leave them out?) maybe a toggle.. pure server option is a must as well (to prevent MP cheating). Don't forget joystick and five button mouse (w/ wheel) support!

 

 

I'd also wish for Coop (multiplayer completion of single player campaign) but they've already confirmed that that's axed. Well at least we'll have bots... maybe somebody can code some coop missions after the game comes out.

 

Kurgan

[digl]

Im really interested in MP, so pints Nº 2 and 3 are very important to me

When will they officially pronnounce about editing? We have been discussing this for years

 

I hope there will be more than the announced mp modes, DM, team DM and CTF.

 

KISS Army said in another thread "Jedi Outcast multiplayer is advanced above and beyond what was done in Q3 or Elite Force"

 

I want more details of this!

how is EF mp? any interesting playing modes?

[psycoglass]

I just finished NO One Lives Forever and Loved it one of the things I loved about it was the converstaions the enemy's had where I could listen in on them. One time I was around the corner and was listening to these two guys talk. One of the men was talking about his wife and kids.So when I got up to shoot him I roze for a second thinking about this guys wife and kids and what was going to happen to them after I shot this guy.Well after a few shots rom him I of course shot him in the head but I felt deeply sorry for him, it was a weird feeling especially since it was just a computer game.

 

The other thing I think shouls be put In JK2 is ,say your going through a building and there are doors you can open to other people's roomsand go throught there personal stufffind out info about a total stranger that has nothing to do with the game.

[digl]

Originally posted by psycoglass

The other thing I think shouls be put In JK2 is ,say your going through a building and there are doors you can open to other people's roomsand go throught there personal stufffind out info about a total stranger that has nothing to do with the game.

 

This sounds goods

I remember in JK, you went through nar shadda and only saw bounty hunters chasing you, and generally in most FPS cities dont look like cities because the games are too linear, and you cant see the city, only the streets and buildings you should go through. Of course Its impossible to build entire cities, but there should be more places to explore besides te required ones

[JR2000Z]

I kinda enjoyed the gas mask and snow boots from the original Dark Forces.

 

It would be interesting to see them again.

[Frosty_V2.1]

I agree with Kurgan, especially about multiple pathways/ways to finish missions in SP.

Elaborating on AI, how about AI where say, STs actually work together and cover each other, use "overwatch" on retreat and lay down surppresing fire, individual AI sounds great already but what about some teamwork.(This has been talked about before hasn't it? )

[SSH83]

I'd say they should first focus more on SP:

1. make good AI, which so far seems to be true

2. make lightsaber more customizable and useful than before

3. the story, the interaction, and to make players feel like they are IN the game, not just watching it.

 

I those Half-Life more or less had # 1 and 3, and if JK2 can have those AND #2, JK2 will easily jump into the 1st place on all the "greatest game of all time" lists, like Half-Life did and Jedi-Knight did before it.

[Redwing]

Here's my "wish list"

 

1) Better AI. Make it feel like reality. Enemies should be able to communicate. You should hear alarms going off, squads coming after you. They should be intelligent enough to do anything you can do (within their abilities) like open doors, etc.

 

2) More races. BIGGER CITIES with FAR more inhabitants. I'd die to walk through a crowd of aliens like in the movies. And I mean a CROWD. And don't dare forget the wildlife!

 

3) Arrange the cities more realistically. Example: Mos Espa in the Phantom Menace game. While rather sparsely populated, the city layout was absolutely fantastic. You followed HAD to learn the street signs, remember spots like in the real world, to find your way, or you'd be hopelessly lost. It was totally AWESOME. In JK, the nearest thing to that was Baron's Hed, and that was even smaller.

 

In a word, linear SUCKS.

 

4) Good weapons. Manual sequence charges from MotS. Rail det and toned down () concussion rifle. Thermal detonators---the REAL thing, not the useless balls in JK!!! Think the TPM game. And vary the weapons! Example: Stormtrooper rifle. The one in JK was utter *fill in the blank* The MotS one was better due to the scope, but still: Who wouldn't love to actually change the setting on one? You know, actually "set blasters on full." Or set it all the way back to stun setting! That would be totally awesome, especially added on to a scope.

 

Oh, and carb gun=lame.

 

5) More control over Force power. (Vague, yes I know. )

 

6) PLEASE, LET US EDIT!!!

 

7) Graphics=Not as important. I can already tell they're far above my standards anyway.

 

8) A better lightsaber. Your saber should block or be able to be blocked while swinging. One of the WORST things about JK is slicing your opponent through over and over again and nothing happens except him "taking damage". Did Maul "take damage"? No! He was sliced in half. If you must have shields, the shields should block the saber. Saber fighting AI or MP should be based on how on earth do you swing the right way or time to get past the opponent's blade, NOT how many times you whack him before his health gets used up. In other words, skill should count, not health. In the movies, they didn't get "health".

 

 

 

Anyways, there's my 8 cents. Can anyone tell me if some of the things I listed will or won't included in JK2?

[Redwing]

One other thing...about Force powers...physical ability force powers should NOT be decorated with sound effects. For example, Force push makes a noise in the movies. Force jump, pull, sight, etc do NOT.

 

Sound effects should be limited to telekinesis.

[IronJedi Kaga]

Here's my wish list:

 

1) Better saber combat! It was fun for awhile in the original but with only two moves it got boring.

 

2) Bring back CTF. With the q3 multiplayer code, maps like nar shadaa would be great.

 

3)Force throw with interactive environments. So that it is more useful than in the first jk.

 

4)Force push that works on more than players. Ex. Someone throws a thermal detonator at you, you lock onto it with force push and send it right back at them.

 

5) Improved grip. Dont let people rapid grip , aka press grip over and over again and get full damage for each press. Grip should be broken if the target leaves the players line of sight. Ex a high force jump would break the grip if somone didnt keep you in sight.

 

6) Nice large multiplayer maps.

 

7)Large, interactive singleplayer environments. It'll be tough, but I expect the levels at least equal to those i the orignal jk.

 

Thats it for now.