Lt. Durden Posted February 6, 2002 Author Share Posted February 6, 2002 WAIT A SEC! You can use BIOS updates to put in higher MHZ P3's!??!???!??? Cause if i can do that, then all i need is a processor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacky_Baccy Posted February 6, 2002 Share Posted February 6, 2002 Originally posted by Lt. Durden WAIT A SEC! You can use BIOS updates to put in higher MHZ P3's!??!???!??? Yes AFAIK, all Celerons are Socket 370, and you can get S370 Pentium 3s up to 1GHz - not all boards will support them that far, but you should be able to put a 733 P3 in at least (Mobo and BIOS allowing...) and a P3 is much better for gaming than a similarly-clocked Celery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUNNER Posted February 6, 2002 Share Posted February 6, 2002 When I first got my Abit BE-6 mobo it only supported up to PIII 550, but a new bios update let me throw in a PIII700 which I immediatly O/Ced to 933. Go check out your Mobo site for bios updates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUNNER Posted February 6, 2002 Share Posted February 6, 2002 BTW, celerons also came in slot 1. We had a slot 1 cellery 466. socket 370 are more common now though. Also, if you want to save some money or save up more but still get some extra speed for now try to O/C your proccesor. My PIII550 Katmai did 124FSB which is 682mhz. It is a little high for the Sound card but mine handled it. If not keep the FSB down to 112, that might get you an extra 50-60mhz. Most mobos have FSB settings of 66,75,100,105,110,112,124,133and 150. My wifes Abit BE-6 II has steps in one number increments from 66-150 for just about any combo. Post some specs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwing Posted February 6, 2002 Share Posted February 6, 2002 Originally posted by Wacky_Baccy Ouch. Quite a lot, probably Depending on your RAM and Graphics card, you should be able to run it, but only barely - the Celerons aren't very good for gaming What motherboard do you have? With a BIOS update, you might be able to upgrade to a higher MHz P3 with your current board - they're not too costly. What graphics card do you have? GeForce 2 and above should do pretty well for JK2, but anything lower will probably start to struggle... If you want advice or suggestions, tell me as much as you can about your current PC (mobo, RAM, etc.) and if you like I'll see if I can think of an upgrade that's not too expensive, but should run JK2 pretty well Well...*reads off the front of the computer* 466 MHz Intel Celeron Processor 32 MB SyncDRAM 256 Mb Max. 128 KB L2 Cache 66 MHz System Bus 3D AGP Graphics 4MB Video (Note: 32 more MB of RAM added for a total of 64) I believe we have an ATI Rage Pro video card. Most recent games I've successfully run: Galactic Battlegrounds (demo) ran superbly, Force Commander ran but kept crashing (possibly due to the extremely low amount of disk space I had then) Honestly not really sure how to find out the rest of the system specs. :/ Edit: Note---I normally run the computer in 800 X 600 mode...if that makes any difference...and thanks for any help/advice/death knells you can give me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUNNER Posted February 6, 2002 Share Posted February 6, 2002 The bad thing about celerons was they had a 66mhz FSB, although the new ones have a 100FSB. That is waht slows down the cellerys Redwing. A 100FSB like on a PIII will give you a vast speed increase and the new AMD have a 200mhz FSB. but since you have a intel mobo it would be best to stick with a intel chip. You might be able to upgrade your video card to a 32mg but the bottle neck is the 66mhz FSB. Is it a gateway or dell system? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUNNER Posted February 6, 2002 Share Posted February 6, 2002 Pop open the side of your box and look at your proccesor. If it's long and thin and standing on it's edge it's a slot 1 chip. That would be the best way to start. BRB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacky_Baccy Posted February 6, 2002 Share Posted February 6, 2002 Right, these are the GB sys. requirements: CPU: Pentium II or Athlon class 233 MHz or faster CPU required. Memory: 32 MB RAM required. 64 MB RAM recommended. Graphics Card: 2 MB PCI or AGP graphics card required, 4 MB graphics card recommended. Sound Card: 100% DirectX compatible 16-bit sound card required. And these are likely to be the basic requirements for JK2: CPU: Pentium II or Athlon class 400 MHz or faster CPU required. Memory: 64 MB RAM required. 128 MB RAM recommended. Graphics Card: 16 MB PCI or AGP graphics card required, 32 MB graphics card recommended. Sound Card: No idea, but better than the one above. And this is the minimum that I personally would recommend for a good gaming experience (at 800x600): CPU: Pentium III 600 MHz or Athlon 600 MHz (or faster) CPU Memory: 64 MB RAM minimum, 128MB or more will give noticeably better gameplay. Graphics Card: 32 MB AGP graphics card (GeForce 2 or similar would be good, and not too expensive) Sound Card: Creative PCI 128 at least - get something better if you can That "66MHz System Bus" doesn't bode well for upgrading to a P3 - they have 100 or 133 MHz buses, AFAIK. I would suggest you practically build a new system, if you can afford it. You may well benefit enormously from a new hard drive if you take this path. (More modern drive = higher data transfer speeds = things load quicker) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUNNER Posted February 6, 2002 Share Posted February 6, 2002 all the mobos I have built units with have a place in the set-up menu to pick your FSB speed so going to a PIII with a 100FSB is no problem. Like I said, most mobos that I know of support anywhere from 66-150FSB. you can find a PIII 600 pretty cheap nowadays I would imagine. Even a 500 or 550mhz katmai chip would be sweet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwing Posted February 6, 2002 Share Posted February 6, 2002 It's neither gateway or dell, it's emachines. Actually, a friend's dad is going to try and add a spare hard drive of his own onto my computer this week. No idea what the specs on that are however, except it has an 8 gigabyte capacity (a step up from the 4.3 GB capacity hard drive I have now) What would that change, if anything? As for the processor, I'm not entirely sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUNNER Posted February 6, 2002 Share Posted February 6, 2002 A bigger HD would only mean more room for games to be stored, nothing for performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millions o' Monkeys Posted February 6, 2002 Share Posted February 6, 2002 for how long id this topic going to be discusessed ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUNNER Posted February 6, 2002 Share Posted February 6, 2002 Until we find a way for redwing to cram a PIII 700 into his box. Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwing Posted February 6, 2002 Share Posted February 6, 2002 I tink they're gonna "swamp" this topic pretty soon Going by these specs... CPU: Pentium II or Athlon class 400 MHz or faster CPU required. *check* [recommended CPU: Pentium III 600 MHz or Athlon 600 MHz (or faster) CPU *no check] Memory: 64 MB RAM required. 128 MB RAM recommended. *check* Graphics Card: 16 MB PCI or AGP graphics card required, 32 MB graphics card recommended. ...*no check* /me growls at stupid 4 MB AGP card Sound Card: Creative PCI 128 at least ...I don't know what my sound card is. x_x Don't they have this stuff listed somewhere?! *feels like the newbie he is* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUNNER Posted February 6, 2002 Share Posted February 6, 2002 Actually Redwing, your PC is below an athlon 400mhz because of your 66mhx FSB. I'm going home now so I'll see ya later bud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwing Posted February 6, 2002 Share Posted February 6, 2002 Darn...well thanks for your help. Wish I knew what to do though...since I have no clue how to build a system And sorry to the mods for hijacking the thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Durden Posted February 6, 2002 Author Share Posted February 6, 2002 Well, Redwing, I started a thread to help you out, but i was ferkin censored. So oh well. To start off, your E Machines is meant to email, not play games. You will most likely need to perform a substantial upgrade to enjoy JK2. First off, go to fileplanet and download the Q3A test demo, or the Elite Force demo. See how they run on your computer. That should give you a little idea of how JK2 will run. Second, if you want to build a system, I do it for a living (sorta, part time comp consultant), and I'll help you out. So how much can u spend? If at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graphicsgod Posted February 6, 2002 Share Posted February 6, 2002 Dude, Redwing you have an E-machine!? I had one of those too (I once was a poor, starving artist and all)! It was my starting pc (you can't beat a pc for virtualy free). Upgrading your pc isn't difficult, just start out slow and buy what you can afford and learn as you go. RAM and a new processor will help and be the cheapest thing to do first. But you have to figure out what your MB can handle. I purchased slight upgrades and held out for months to a year and then blew $600 on a new MB, processor, and fan. Luckily games back then didn't need the best of the best system . I then picked up a jewl of a find of a tower for ten bucks (was worth a lot more, it's built like the Falcon towers and looks kinda like an alienware) on e-bay. It took many a years (also working at Dell helped a lot, $$$), but now my system kicks . Well, almost. Still have the old SB Live!, need to upgrade to a SB Audigy (hmm... have a birthday coming up, maybe I can leave hints around the apartment for my girlfriend to find ). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue15 Posted February 6, 2002 Share Posted February 6, 2002 i kept telling him to dload elite force demo...did he listen? nooooooooooooooo I'm running on a Celeron, i don't see why everyone thinks they're so bad....i run almost all my games on it, except for force commander. my specs are: Compaq Presario Internet PC Intel 810e Chipset Driver 320 Megs of SDRAM 600 Mhz Celeron Processor Windows 98 2-3 Gigabytes That's it. I can run Elite Force on it, as well as the Max Payne demo. I probably won't be upgrading it til I see for myself what JK2 is like on it. of course, i could always sneak jedi outcast on my parents' super-computer, that thing has 128 megs of ram, 20+ gigs, ATI Rage Pro (or something like that i know it's a good graphics card...), and 650 Mhz. and it's a Pentium III...too bad they think 'having games stored on the computer' ruins it... I also can run the 'Return to Castle Wolfenstein' demo on my computer, 0 framerate problems. heh of course, it's multiplayer...and there's no bots to add to see how well it holds up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi Howell Posted February 6, 2002 Share Posted February 6, 2002 i geatly dislike intel Redwing: ull definitely need a new vid card; what size monitor u on? i dont like to play lower than 1024x768 on games, but ill go to 800x600 if i hv to... uhh...im not familiar with Intel boards...how much u wanna spend? i could find ya a decent priced processor, mobo, and gfx card...im building my second compy now...upgrade ur ram to 128mb at least...try for 256...u definitely need to upgrade ur proccessor...how experianced are you with electrical crap? and screw drivers? putting in a new processor is delicate work...not hard, but delicate...lemme check some prices... the sound card shouldn't be a problem...pretty much any sound card will work with games these days(better is nicer, but not required). any1 w/ a diamond viper2 out there shouldnt plan on running any q3 based games...doesnt work... and i do...like...periods... jh (prepare to be moved; a mods gonna find out pretty soon...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUNNER Posted February 6, 2002 Share Posted February 6, 2002 I'll post then well move it...Rogue 15, the reason you celeron works so god is because it's a new cellery with the 100mhz FSB. It;s the older ones that are a little slow... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainRAVE Posted February 6, 2002 Share Posted February 6, 2002 I told everyone it would be moved or split up if it continued to go off topic . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi Howell Posted February 6, 2002 Share Posted February 6, 2002 k; checked out some stuff...as long as u hv a socket370 processor, it shouldnt be a problem...could ya tell us how ur proccessor looks, or maybe the name of ur mobo? mmm...GeForce4...Ti4600...got a little side-tracked along the way jh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi Howell Posted February 6, 2002 Share Posted February 6, 2002 100mhz...dont those only come in socket370? and to put ur compy to work in Wolf, run around shooting a flamerthrower...also, see how high u can crank up the res, then tell us how it looks at the highest... and a good video card isnt expensive...shell out 80 bucks for a GF2MX400 or maybe a GF2Ultra/Ti200; dont know the prices on those...or shell out a good $120 for a GF3Ti200...whatever u do, stay away from the GF4MX cards...more like GF2s, so i hear... jh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacky_Baccy Posted February 6, 2002 Share Posted February 6, 2002 Well, I may as well leave you [Redwing] in their capable hands - not much need for me now, is there... *sobs quietly in a corner* Final words: If you do end up starting from scratch, then go with AMD Athlon if you can afford it - they're the best for gaming (IMO - and many others' ) Wacky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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