Lucas should be commited

[Lorewin]

Regardless of how enthusiastic some ppl seem to be of the new trailer I think it kinda sucked.

First of all, that guy that plays anakin(blocked out name on purpose) is just to anoying. Annoyance factor VERY high. why? cant put my finger on it but he looks like some damn sissy pretty boy al¨a westlife. Next we have Natalie portman. She is also very young and absolutely shines with her abscense of character n charisma .

 

Now, what really cracked me up was that I saw Zippowichs partner (NYPD) in the trailer. WTF is he doing ther?!!?! he will always be a cop in my book.

 

And the worst part.... YODA. what?? "begone this clone war has" like yea.. uhm.. very wise yoda.. every damn sentense he said was so NOT cool. not even a small hint of wisdom. I mean at least he had that "fear leads to anger etc etc" in Ep1.

 

Face it . lucas couldnt figure out a good story so he just thought

" Hey I know. lets throw in 500 jedis and 10 000 Bobba fett like characters, we do know the fans like thoose". It was the fact that the saber wasnt used all through the movies and that we didnt see bobba to much that made them interesting!

Now it feels just weak .

 

Also, if you thought Anaking was anoying in ep1, I think we will still have to put up with kids since jagdas son or whatever will be in, so another 7 year old to hate...

 

I also hear Jar Jar hasnt been assasinated. We all practicaly BEGGED lucas to make bad things happen to Jar Jar. but he will be in this one to. sorry.

 

Kids, teens and jar jar + weak story + lightsabers galore + 100000 bobbas = EP2

 

On a side note. Ewan McGregor is ok as obi. Ok cant type more.

Thoughts please.

[Rogue15]

I edited the offending comment here... Rogue15, please try to contribute something to the topic other than name calling.

 

-Krayt

[Lord_FinnSon]

It's too easy to judge the movie, especially when you have seen four trailers already and each one of them only grows your "despair" to see the big bicture, but I'm sure your current oppinions will change(to better or worse) when you have bought your ticket. Nonetheless, welcome to the community! Enjoy your stay around here and don't be stranger now. EDIT: I almost forgot that there is also another thread which discusses about trailer itself, so you might wanna check it out.

[Justus]

Originally posted by Lorewin

Regardless of how enthusiastic some ppl seem to be of the new trailer I think it kinda sucked.

First of all, that guy that plays anakin(blocked out name on purpose) is just to anoying. Annoyance factor VERY high. why? cant put my finger on it but he looks like some damn sissy pretty boy al¨a westlife. Next we have Natalie portman. She is also very young and absolutely shines with her abscense of character n charisma .

 

We really can't tell what he will be like though, I mean we haven't seen the movie in its entirety... I will give him the benefit of the doubt though, so far from what I've seen in the various trailers he hasn't annoyed me or anything. I think he's coming across rather well actually... but yes, I know it is still too early to tell.

 

Now, what really cracked me up was that I saw Zippowichs partner (NYPD) in the trailer. WTF is he doing ther?!!?! he will always be a cop in my book.

 

It is easy to type cast people in their roles, it happens all the time I think it's fine... I usually don't type cast people... well, because for one thing I never watched that show NYPD or whatever.

 

And the worst part.... YODA. what?? "begone this clone war has" like yea.. uhm.. very wise yoda.. every damn sentense he said was so NOT cool. not even a small hint of wisdom. I mean at least he had that "fear leads to anger etc etc" in Ep1.

 

I don't think Yoda needs to preach words of wisdom everytime he is on camera, besides it's probably out of context anyway.

 

Face it . lucas couldnt figure out a good story so he just thought

" Hey I know. lets throw in 500 jedis and 10 000 Bobba fett like characters, we do know the fans like thoose". It was the fact that the saber wasnt used all through the movies and that we didnt see bobba to much that made them interesting!

Now it feels just weak .

 

It is the time of the Old Republic, so there are going to be lots of Jedi around... there's only Jango Fett, with a young Boba possibly the clone troopers are more of a predesessor of the stormtroopers... which is fine by me, I think it's interesting.

 

Also, if you thought Anaking was anoying in ep1, I think we will still have to put up with kids since jagdas son or whatever will be in, so another 7 year old to hate...

 

Can't really comment here...

 

I also hear Jar Jar hasnt been assasinated. We all practicaly BEGGED lucas to make bad things happen to Jar Jar. but he will be in this one to. sorry.

 

Jar-Jar is still in the movie, just not as much as he was in The Phantom Menace.

 

Kids, teens and jar jar + weak story + lightsabers galore + 100000 bobbas = EP2

 

Star Wars does appeal to kids and teenagers, but I think more importantly it is timeless... you can enjoy it no matter what age you are, it's all in good fun.

 

On a side note. Ewan McGregor is ok as obi. Ok cant type more.

Thoughts please.

 

Agree, Ewan McGregor does do a great job as Obi-Wan, I am interested in seeing Christopher Lee's character as well.

[Lorewin]

thank you Lord fin.

I can smell your sarcasms a mile away. Ofcourse we never know what the movie will be like, but the trailers give us a pretty damn good idea. In the case of phantom menace the trailer was better then the movie. cause we all know ep1 was crap(deny it and be laughed at by the older fans). and theese trailers are actually WORSE then the ep1 trailer. I dare not think of the outcome.

 

BUT ON THE BRIGHT SIDE PEOPLE there is a little director called Peter Jackson that will save the day! :)

 

Forget about starwars. Lucas is through. And ever since that Rick McCallum got a bigger say, the movies got worse.

 

It will be nothing but an entertaning 2 hours. It will NEVER go to the classic shelf along with the first 3 movies.

 

Just wait for the Two Towers to come out

[Woad]

Well Lorewin....

I think your just a wee bit obnoxious!

 

Guess what? I loved the Phantom Menace.

 

As far as your bashing of the acting talents of Hedyn Christiansen (You might learn his name before sinking to insults) and Natalie Portman see their various works (Life as a House, The Professional), multiple award nominations, as well as critical acclaim.

 

I happen to think they are both extremely talented actors and will do likewise well in Episode II.

 

Jimmy Smitz (again you might do to find out his name before insulting) is in there because Lucas wanted him for the part. I remember alot of people being likeweise shocked when Samuel L. Jackson was in Episode I.

 

And I'm sure your assesment of Lucas writing processes is spot on. Come on man, get real.

 

 

It's a shame you get this worked up over being bitter at movies that are all about fun and adventure. Like the presentation or not, The Phantom Menace was loaded with fun and adventure. If your too busy being spiteful because George isn't doing what you want, well I feel sorry for you.

[Roger]

So you don't like it (you haven't even seen the whole movie), there are more people that won't like it, there are more people that will like it and that's that...

 

I'm going to like it...

 

What's the point of a post like this one... Just venting your frustration?

 

I don't care, nothing to see here... move along, move along...

[Kylilin]

Jimmy Smits is a great actor and I am sure he will do a great job as Bail Organa, as for Hayden Christenson (sp?), I think its a good move that Lucas got an actor who looks relatively harmless, y'know, that whole wolf in sheeps clothing thing and all...

[Saient]

Maybe Lucas is gonna do something crazy to the OT again once he's done with the Prequels like redo all the sences again with even more CG to make it match up cause from what we've seen from EP1 and the trailers to EP2 things don't look like there gonna match

[Rogue15]

i also love tpm. who cares if jarjar ruined the movie...ewoks ruined rotj.

[Kurgan]

Yeah, but compare Ewok screentime to Jar Jar/Gungan screentime.

 

The closest character we had to Jar Jar was Wicket the Ewok, and at least he didn't run his mouth off constantly, and he looked to be a youngster.. what was Jar Jar's excuse??

[Lorewin]

Originally posted by Woad

Well Lorewin....

I think your just a wee bit obnoxious!

 

Guess what? I loved the Phantom Menace.

 

- I feel sorry for you.

 

As far as your bashing of the acting talents of Hedyn Christiansen (You might learn his name before sinking to insults) and Natalie Portman see their various works (Life as a House, The Professional), multiple award nominations, as well as critical acclaim.

 

- AHAHAHAHAH!!!! ) Natalie Portman good actor. LMAO! Like I said I dont wanna know that kids name. What was it again.. Heyd Christoff?

 

I happen to think they are both extremely talented actors and will do likewise well in Episode II.

 

- As jabbo would have put it. HO HO HO HO!!! HAAA HA! HA!

 

Jimmy Smitz (again you might do to find out his name before insulting) is in there because Lucas wanted him for the part. I remember alot of people being likeweise shocked when Samuel L. Jackson was in Episode I.

 

- I didnt say he was a bad actor kid, I said he will always be a cop in my book. I think he´s really good otherwise I wouldnt watch the show.

 

And I'm sure your assesment of Lucas writing processes is spot on. Come on man, get real.

 

- why dont YOU get real.

 

It's a shame you get this worked up over being bitter at movies that are all about fun and adventure. Like the presentation or not, The Phantom Menace was loaded with fun and adventure. If your too busy being spiteful because George isn't doing what you want, well I feel sorry for you.

 

- OK you really dont know what Starwars is all about. Why dont u watch the old ones a few times more and then tell me EP1 is worthy as a prequel. But poll results show that Ep1 was more popular with the kids, and the old vets was major disapointed.

 

Its not a bad movie. Quite good, im shure ep2 will be to but It aint a SuperMOVIE like the old ones or Fellowship of the Ring.

Now go to bed. your mom is calling.

[Lord_FinnSon]

In the case of phantom menace the trailer was better then the movie. cause we all know ep1 was crap(deny it and be laughed at by the older fans).

You are not quite right, but I see where you are heading, my friend. Trailers usually take "best" parts of the movie which can get people's attention quickly, so it isn't that movie itself would be worse than its trailer. I can also deny TPM being crap and if you read this thread, you can see my big, juice(at least I had fun writing it) explanation about why I think it DIDN'T suck.

who cares if jarjar ruined the movie...ewoks ruined rotj.

Have you wondered why both first episode of the saga and last have characters that appeal mostly to children and every episode between them have much darker mood? I think it's intentional that we start with something light, "funny"(depends on people of course) and then move up to darker and finally come back to uplifting end celebration. Both of these episodes have also one common thing: they end with funeral pyre(first it's Anakin watching Qui-Gon's funeral and then it's Luke burning Vader's armour), so they still have that dark undertone.

[TiE23]

I agree to Lorewin but some of those battles look awsome:)

But looks like a bad girl insteal of a queen (Isn't she something else?) and I though her hair was brown, but it is reddish brown in the picture. When I get the DVD I'm gonna skip all of the sappy love stuff and get to the light sabers and lazers and gals in tight white clothes:D . I know why she is wearing white, so later little Leia gets to,too.

[Lord_FinnSon]

- OK you really dont know what Starwars is all about. Why dont u watch the old ones a few times more and then tell me EP1 is worthy as a prequel.

Please, let's not start accusing each other here. Each one of these movies should be fun and exciting(at least they are meant to be), but it's also understandable if someone doesn't get anything from then and after all they are only movies(were they how good enough).

But poll results show that Ep1 was more popular with the kids, and the old vets was major disapointed.

Actually, when I was watching it, there was this young boy and his dad sitting behind me and whenever Jar Jar was goofing around on the screen, dad laughted but boy was quiet, so go figure it out.

Its not a bad movie. Quite good, im shure ep2 will be to but It aint a SuperMOVIE like the old ones or Fellowship of the Ring.

I have a little revelation: I didn't like Fellowship of the Ring(movie). I started reading the book, when movie came out, so that I could then watch it, just as I did. First of all, movie left out so many cool events from the book(even songs were omitted except one of them) and al thought there was almost no time to have real conversations like in the book and people moved from fight to fight, so that it wouldn't feel boring, it felt too long. It was almost like a good example of action/adventure movies of these days: they look shiny, beautiful from the outside, but every rough edge is ironed out, so that there would be any "irrelevant" details sticking out. Actors weren't that good, except Ian McKellen, Ian Holm and Christopher Lee and even though music had its moments, it went overboard sometimes during action sequences. Still, it came to my mind only afterwards that perhaps movie would have been better introduction to the book and not other way around.

 

What comes to similarities between LotR and Star Wars, I found them to be almost soul mates, because both use fairy tales as their foundation(to those of you, who still watch SW movies as scifi flicks, they are fantasy stories set in the timeless universe that is colored with scifi imagery) and follow classic hero's journey found from numerous stories around the world. It's just that, because of this, LotR doesn't give me anything new that I wouldn't have already got from Star Wars; perhaps, if I would have read these books already when I was a child, I might be Tolkien fan today.

[Keiran Halcyon]

@Lorewin

 

You are in the wrong forums. If you like the lord of the rings, well, there are lots of forums for that. Besides you say that the old SW movies are better, well not really, but the LOTR movies well they're (and will be) crap compared to the books.

Peter Jackson: well not the best director, uncomparable with Lucas (you could compare Lucas with Tolkien, but not a mere director)

I'm almost sure you also think that John Williams music is crap compared with Howard Shore's FOTR, but that again is only the hope of LOTR fans

Compare FORD Special effects with EPII makes me laugh (EPI has better than FOTR)

Most of the actors in FOTR were almost unkown (and questionable quality) and, what is Eliah Wood? A teengirl's actor

LORD movies can last 4 hours if they want but they're slow with few moments of action

 

As you can see I didn't liked that movie very much, and a great part of it is because people (like you) do not stops to compare it with SW

 

And it its better not to compare them because they are different genres The only similarity is that originally the two were trilogies.

 

I think that you have post this because you want to make fun of us with your LOTR fellas. Its inevitable that we protect SW as you'll do if in a LOTR forums someone posted that SW is better (well this is a fact, not a bad joke).

[Lorewin]

Originally posted by Lord_FinnSon

I have a little revelation: I didn't like Fellowship of the Ring(movie). I started reading the book, when movie came out, so that I could then watch it, just as I did. First of all, movie left out so many cool events from the book(even songs were omitted except one of them) and al thought there was almost no time to have real conversations like in the book and people moved from fight to fight, so that it wouldn't feel boring, it felt too long. It was almost like a good example of action/adventure movies of these days: they look shiny, beautiful from the outside, but every rough edge is ironed out, so that there would be any "irrelevant" details sticking out. Actors weren't that good, except Ian McKellen, Ian Holm and Christopher Lee and even though music had its moments, it went overboard sometimes during action sequences. Still, it came to my mind only afterwards that perhaps movie would have been better introduction to the book and not other way around.

 

Hmm.. Indeed it was alot of action going on. I think it was quite evenly divided between action and dialog. Actors where awesome. Even Eliah Wood was very good. The biggest fear I had was Liv Tyler, well she turned out to be AWESOME as Arwin. And Viggo Mortensen was cool, and pretty much everyone else did a outstanding performance.

Ofcourse you cant fit everthing in 400 pages in a 3 hour movie so not everthing could be in you must realise that.

But in the DVD release we get 30 extra minutes of cool footage.

so 3 hours n 30 minute tolkien frenzy seems niiiice.

 

It has been nominated for 11 oscars you know

 

What comes to similarities between LotR and Star Wars, I found them to be almost soul mates, because both use fairy tales as their foundation(to those of you, who still watch SW movies as scifi flicks, they are fantasy stories set in the timeless universe that is colored with scifi imagery) and follow classic hero's journey found from numerous stories around the world. It's just that, because of this, LotR doesn't give me anything new that I wouldn't have already got from Star Wars; perhaps, if I would have read these books already when I was a child, I might be Tolkien fan today.

 

... are u aware that Lucas stole 50% of tolkien ideas and edited them? Gandalf - Obiwan, Han Solo- boromir, Luke - Aragorn etc, just take the laste scene in ROTK where Gollum falls into the lava of mount doom, its described exactly as when the emperor falls dom in ROTJ.

 

U cant compare them as Tolien is superior as far as story goes, what makes starwars good is the stunning effects( at least it was the case with the old ones when FOTR wasnt made).

 

Swordplay is also much better in tolkien. It has a rawer feel to it in the battles. They really looks like the swing it hard whilst in SW they barely touch eachother.... and theres more blood and gore.

Aimed to on older audience simply.

[VeKToR]

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[Keiran Halcyon]

Originally posted by Lorewin

 

... are u aware that Lucas stole 50% of tolkien ideas and edited them? Gandalf - Obiwan, Han Solo- boromir, Luke - Aragorn etc, just take the laste scene in ROTK where Gollum falls into the lava of mount doom, its described exactly as when the emperor falls dom in ROTJ.

 

U cant compare them as Tolien is superior as far as story goes, what makes starwars good is the stunning effects( at least it was the case with the old ones when FOTR wasnt made).

 

Swordplay is also much better in tolkien. It has a rawer feel to it in the battles. They really looks like the swing it hard whilst in SW they barely touch eachother.... and theres more blood and gore.

Aimed to on older audience simply.

 

You dont get lucky that so many ideas were 'stolen' and dont compare EMPEROR PALPATINE with that tiny crap of gollum

 

SW special effects are still (and forever ) better than ANY movie in the time they're released

 

Sword play is different, AW is more lighter and sophisticates, light does not weight, 1 or 2 kilos of metal (although in the movies i'm surre they are as lighter as the SW ones), yes

 

To have blood, gore and guts make something better? Whose audience likes that so much to put it as an important feature? (sane people, not of course )

 

Tolkien story is so superior that even him didn't understand it (he didn't released HIMSELF the Simarillion because of that )

 

AND the endig is a.... because it messes up the whole fairy tale.

[Vagabond]

You know what, Lorewin, you're entitled to your opinion, no matter how misguided it may seem.

 

In my opinion, the "Clone Wars" trailer was excellet. True, Hayden hasn't exactly wowed me yet from what I've seen in the trailers, but he is supposed to be quite talented, so I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt until I can view the entire movie.

 

Further, Yoda says:

...begun, this clone war has...

 

...not "begone" :rolleyes:

 

And as was said, Jimmy Smits is a great actor. You should understand that Actors are not their characters. For you to limit your mind to only seeing Mr. Smits as only an NYPD Police Officer only denies you the pleasure of his excellent work in many other great roles.

 

Instead of looking at the glass as half-empty - scratch that...completely empty, you would be happier if you tried to look at the bright side - the glass being half-full.

 

For example, we get to see the infamous Clone Wars that were mentioned in Episode IV. We get to see the precurssors to the Star Destroyer and the AT-AT. We get to see Jedi in action on a grand stage. We get to see how Chancellor Palpatine manipulates the Senate to obtain far-reaching powers, portending darker events yet to come.

 

There is so much to like about what we've seen and not seen (far less of Jar Jar). It's a pitty that you've blinded yourself to the great potential of this movie.

 

Of course, you wouldn't happen to be a troll, would you? If I find that to be the case, this thread will disappear into the ethereal void, so watch yourself, and enjoy your stay.

[Lord_FinnSon]

Good to see Vagabond came to save the discussion, because it was going into wrong direction. What I meant to say was that both LotR and Star Wars are so similar in their core that it's fine, if people find either one to be entertaining and it invokes to their feelings. I might have personally misunderstood LotR, just like my own friend misunderstood TPM(he didn't get anything from it) when he first saw it, but after we had talked about Star Wars for hours, he got excited and watched it again from different point of view; we even viewed original trilogy through and now we are eagerly waiting for AOTC. There is already so many movies that really has nothing to say except than "fool" watchers into thinking how black and white world is supposed to be and those flicks are bull****, so let's not start accusing each other or arguing which one is better. As I said, we haven't seen whole picture yet, but signs are looking promising.

[Lorewin]

Further, Yoda says:

 

...not "begone" :rolleyes:

 

- not english so that would be an valid excuse.

 

And as was said, Jimmy Smits is a great actor. You should understand that Actors are not their characters. For you to limit your mind to only seeing Mr. Smits as only an NYPD Police Officer only denies you the pleasure of his excellent work in many other great roles.

 

- He´s a cool actor. I dont limit myself, its just that he doesent fit, but I suppose he will be one of the greater actors in the movie.

 

For example, we get to see the infamous Clone Wars that were mentioned in Episode IV. We get to see the precurssors to the Star Destroyer and the AT-AT. We get to see Jedi in action on a grand stage. We get to see how Chancellor Palpatine manipulates the Senate to obtain far-reaching powers, portending darker events yet to come.

 

-- Thats all fine. But they should really use models, since all this CGI starting to make me throw up. What I really wanna see it when Obiwan beats the crap out of Anakin in ep3. Its gonna be so cool to see that kid get his a$$ kicked.

 

There is so much to like about what we've seen and not seen (far less of Jar Jar). It's a pitty that you've blinded yourself to the great potential of this movie.

 

- It HAD potential.

 

Of course, you wouldn't happen to be a troll, would you? If I find that to be the case, this thread will disappear into the ethereal void, so watch yourself, and enjoy your stay. [/b]

 

-- LOL, whats a troll? A big furry thing that lives in the forest? I guarantee you that im 100% human so no need to delete threads

 

 

I read somewhere that even Westlife will be background jedis or something... horror.

[Kylilin]

you know, you don't have to go see the movie if you think its going to be that bad...

[Wacky_Baccy]

Originally posted by VeKToR

 

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[Rogue15]

TPM IS AWESOME and if u think otherwise, you can smash your head on the foot of your bed and feel dread for the rest of your pitiful lives. hehe i made that all up, btw, except for the TPM part. tpm was a good story. I don't scruitinize the fraken characters like everyone seems to do, i accept them like they are, even if jar jar got too much screentime....who really cares? chewie, 3po, and R2 got more screentime and nobody's complaining....cuz they were first introduced to the sw, and u were FORCED to get used to them, and now you all have something else to diss at first site so u can all take your disgust and suck it up your nose and hope u die before it hits your brain.

 

I am in a very ticked off mood, so if a mod would do something evil to me and reset my post count or set it permanently to 1, that would be very cool. (no banning please i'm insane and aaahhhhhhh i can't help myself! ) if anyone actually gets offended by this i hope they get more offended by THIS:

 

anyone who takes offense by this posts sucks and is a loser but is going to win the lottery or something someday if he decides to gamble, but if he doesn't gamble, he'll win a million dollars or win a brand new CAR!!!!! THAT'S RIGHT BOB, it's a 1970 piece of crap that u can drive! but wait there's more! a totally fake driver's license that'll get u arrested!!! but wait there's more!! A FREE WAREZ VERSION OF JEDI OUTCAST!!!!! DLOAD IT RIGHT HERE!!!

 

From Vagabond: Hey, Rogue15, what's your major malfunction? I've already told you previously to stop calling people names. Once again, refrain and help set a good example.

 

...hey Rogue15 here. I am sorry if any of the above actually offended u, i was just taking out all my stress of my avatar, sig, and conflict of tpm haters on a forum. it wasn't anything personal, I hope i did a good job of making myself look like an asshole.