BlackDragon Posted March 15, 2002 Share Posted March 15, 2002 Thought for the day: In watching the original trilogy, I realised that not once did DV and 3PO actually share a scene together. What if fate had brought the two together? Would DV have renounced his wicked ways out of sheer nostalgia of meeting the droid he lovingly built in his childhood bedroom? Or perhaps he would have struck him down in a fit of Dark Rage! Hmmmm! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacky_Baccy Posted March 15, 2002 Share Posted March 15, 2002 That's an annoyingly good question. I'll be thinking about that all day now I must admit that I'd not yet made the connection between the original trilogy's Vader and 3PO and EP1's Anakin and 3PO... Dunno why ____________________ *Temporary sig * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_FinnSon Posted March 15, 2002 Share Posted March 15, 2002 In watching the original trilogy, I realised that not once did DV and 3PO actually share a scene together. Actually, they were both in a same scene, when Han was frozed into carbonite in ESB, but Vader seemed to ponder something else, and C-3PO's body parts were hanging from Chewie's back, so they didn't see each other too well; besides Anakin probably never saw C-3PO in a finished form. Still, Vader must have heard his old droid, because C-3PO was wondering, if Han survived, but because protocol droids generally sound quite similar, he must have disregarded it OR it was just a weird voice from his past that didn't matter anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chanke4252 Posted March 15, 2002 Share Posted March 15, 2002 I think that it was probably just uncomfortable for DV so he just pretended he wasnt there. The reason I feel this way is because I believe that in Episode III that Anakin and C3P0 share a romantic evening of unbridled passion. You all knew it was coming, I mean there was so much sexual tension between them when they were saying goodbye in episode one that you could taste it. Why didnt DV say anything about it? Maybe he was ashamed, or maybe C3P0 never called, I dont know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormHammer Posted March 15, 2002 Share Posted March 15, 2002 Actually, doesn't Chewie start a ruckus, and Boba Fett is about to shoot him...when Vader intervenes? Could it be that he was instinctively trying to save his old protocol droid? I mean, I can't see him caring at all about the Wookie... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digl Posted March 15, 2002 Share Posted March 15, 2002 hmmm interesting I think Stormhammer is right, although I don't remember exactly what happens and notice how the only scenes when they are together C3PO is not in his normal form, but dismembered as Lord_FinnSon says. Coincidence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacky_Baccy Posted March 15, 2002 Share Posted March 15, 2002 Originally posted by Wookiee-H8er I mean, I can't see him caring at all about the Wookie... Oi! Don't you start insultin' Wookiees, mate ...Good point... ; ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N0V4 Posted March 15, 2002 Share Posted March 15, 2002 Originally posted by Lord_FinnSon Actually, they were both in a same scene, when Han was frozed into carbonite in ESB, but Vader seemed to ponder something else, and C-3PO's body parts were hanging from Chewie's back, so they didn't see each other too well; besides Anakin probably never saw C-3PO in a finished form. Still, Vader must have heard his old droid, because C-3PO was wondering, if Han survived, but because protocol droids generally sound quite similar, he must have disregarded it OR it was just a weird voice from his past that didn't matter anymore. Its possible since EpisodeII goes about him falling in love with another person...THATS WHY HE DIDNT CALL....cant you guys see the conecction??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chanke4252 Posted March 16, 2002 Share Posted March 16, 2002 Uh, I'm not sure I understand your point of view NOV4, but I'll take it. Good job sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarScrap Posted March 16, 2002 Share Posted March 16, 2002 Wow. One more SW ponderation. Is that a word? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eternity Posted March 16, 2002 Share Posted March 16, 2002 I doubt the whole Wookie thing was intentional, I mean, good old George is kind of making this up as he goes along. I must admit that I'd not yet made the connection between the original trilogy's Vader and 3PO and EP1's Anakin and 3PO... Dunno why Ditto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chanke4252 Posted March 16, 2002 Share Posted March 16, 2002 I think that the George Lucas who made the original trilogy is not the same George Lucas who is making the new movies. He seems to have sold out to the new blockbuster approach to making bad movies. He should have done the whole thing himself like the original trilogies instead of having someone do it for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_FinnSon Posted March 16, 2002 Share Posted March 16, 2002 He should have done the whole thing himself like the original trilogies instead of having someone do it for him. What are you talking about? He is doing these movies himself(of course with a help of enourmous team), because he has said couple of times that it's easier for him to do it because he knows this "new" technology and its abilities, so there is no reason to hire some other guy to direct them like he did with ESB(Irvin Kershner) and RotJ(Richard Marquand) and tell him what to do. Besides, original reason he made those choices back then was him being too stressed after directing ANH and he even had heart attack(other theory is that Lucas is just very shy and doesn't feel himself relaxed with other people, so he went into "hiding" to the background). It just takes some time to "mount a horse" after all those years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antilles Posted March 16, 2002 Share Posted March 16, 2002 Not to say many EU (or you might say, canon) adventure had both droid and Vader met together, and I remember that one of the SW comic or tale which had Vader met the broken 3PO in the Bespin..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patchx Posted March 16, 2002 Share Posted March 16, 2002 i agree a about Vader not letting fett take a shot at c3po chewie starts carrying on cause han is getting frozen and when fett goes to shoot him Vaders stops him. even though chewie took out a couple of troopers. i dont think Vader just suddenly became a pacifist "don't hurt the wookie man, lets just all be friends" he was looking out for his ex-droid, i think and then there was a funny look between Vader and leia as if she was thinking "whats with you?" and vader just had a blank expression on his face (but that could just be cause hes wearing a mask) hmmmmmm -patch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Seeker Posted March 16, 2002 Share Posted March 16, 2002 Originally posted by Chanke4252 I think that the George Lucas who made the original trilogy is not the same George Lucas who is making the new movies. He seems to have sold out to the new blockbuster approach to making bad movies. He should have done the whole thing himself like the original trilogies instead of having someone do it for him. Oh for the love of... Okay, have any of you actually watched the trilogy lately? I mean, just watch it. The acting is terrible, the "chemistry" between Han and Leia is uncomfortable, and lando is just plain annoying. And so, the movies of old, are very similar to these new ones, except the new ones have far better effects and better action sequences, but the acting quality and all the little things in Ep I that everyone hated are really not much different from those "beloved" first films. The problem is that everyone is expecting good old George to take them back to their childhood or whenever it was that you were first taken in with the story and give you back that old feeling. But that will never happen. Why, because it was something special that captured your imagination and sort of hit you in the gut with this great feeling that you will always associate with those old movies and can not recreate with the new ones. Just think about it. Remember something from your childhood: a best friend, a trip to a waterpark, whatever. Then go back and see if the same feeling that sparked such wonder the first time hits you again. I can promise you now that it won't, because it has already happened and what you remember will not be what you see. Case in point, I know of this guy that just loved the mickey mouse club when he was a kid, but now, he'll occasionally try to watch it, and will just turn it off, because the grand adventures and the happy singing and all the stuff he loved, has vanished and all he sees now is cheesy skits, off key kid singing, and people that might just be considered gay now. So, what I'm getting to is that these new movies aren't that bad. They are actually very good, and are doing a great job of filling in all those gaps. Which is another reason why people don't like them because what they had thought should happen to fill in those gaps turned out to be something else. But just think about Ep I the "kid's Star Wars movie" Go ask any kid if they got the plot of it and they will probably say that they didn't, because the plot was really well done. People griped saying "What's this? Just some stupid trade blockade" When as you probably know, it was an elaborate setup instigated by the future emperor to take him from "senator" to "Supreme Chancelor" Now, was Jake Lloyd annoying? Absolutely. "Yippee!" But, was Luke annoying? *insert nasal voice here* "But I wanted to go to Toche Station to get some power converters." Ep I annoyances: Jar Jar, Anakin, bad guys delivering lines as if they're reading from a poorly written small print cue card, good guys delivering lines in such a monotone way that they may very well have been robots with poor dialog programing, and a few miscellaneous things Trilogy annoyances: Luke constantly whining, Both Imperial and Rebel troops delivering their lines as if they're reading from a poorly written small print cue card, main good guys overacting as they say their lines *insert nasal voice here* "No! That's not possible! Nooooooo!!! Gahh!!" (That was luke BtW) Leia: "This isn't over yet." Han: "It is for me sister", poor special effects (rancor fight anyone?) and a few miscellaneous things. So, as you can see both sets have their annoyances and are really similar to each other save one thing: The new ones can never take you back to that place or give you that same feeling as the old ones, and know what? Neither can the old ones. Just go and watch them from a rational point of view and you will see the bad acting the stilted dialog the "Old Buddy" lines that just make you cringe and the couple of parts with shoddy effects as well as many, many other annoyances. If you do that, you will find that Lucas hasn't recently lost his mind, but possibly did a long time ago. Or, he never lost his wits, and has retained that quality that allows him to punch out incredible movies that people love despite their flaws. So, it's not that the new ones are worse than the old ones, it's that you can't replace or recreate those sacred memories with something that bears the same name. Just approach these new ones without the expectations of nostalgic childhood memories, and you will see that they really are good movies. So, sorry for the rant, I just get sick of hearing all these gripes about the new ones not being on par with the old. So just my two cents. And P.S. that Mickey Mouse Club person is not me, since you were bound to be wondering. *shudders* Mickey Mouse Club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GonkH8er Posted March 16, 2002 Share Posted March 16, 2002 That IS a good question. Obiwan forgot about artoo. I spose he probably came into contact with a lot of droids in his time though, and he was a senile old man. Did Obiwan ever meet 3po? hrmmmmm now this vader stuffs bugging me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acdcfanbill Posted March 16, 2002 Share Posted March 16, 2002 of course he forgot about artoo, heck, your not that old, do you remimber every single car that your buddies drove in high school, or whatever... plus, in eps4, he says "i dont remimber owning a droid, so i guess if the forgetfullness doesnt hold up, we can always go with that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eternity Posted March 16, 2002 Share Posted March 16, 2002 JediKnight_114: Thank you. I am saving that post and pasting it wherever when someone starts *****ing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chanke4252 Posted March 16, 2002 Share Posted March 16, 2002 I guess I just think that GL is trying to cater to someone. The whole thing (the new trilogy movies) just seem forced. And dont even get me started on that N'Sync thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Seeker Posted March 20, 2002 Share Posted March 20, 2002 Originally posted by Eternity JediKnight_114: Thank you. I am saving that post and pasting it wherever when someone starts *****ing. Yeah, pleasure to be of service. Since I started hearing all the gripes about Ep I, (which I thought was great BtW) it sort of ticked me off that som many people hated it on the grounds of saying that the original trilogy was sooo much better, but this time when I saw the newest gripe, I had my thoughts in order enough to post a rant. So, I feel better and feel free to post that whenever some @$$hole gripes about the new movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiseForth Posted March 21, 2002 Share Posted March 21, 2002 Imagine if "Darth Vader" (Anakin Skywalker) had never built C-3PO...the galaxy would be a different place! RiseForth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaberPro Posted March 21, 2002 Share Posted March 21, 2002 Darth Vader probably has never seen C-3PO with his outside metallic cover, and C-3PO probably don't recognize Anakin from the Darth Vader suit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valdarious Posted March 21, 2002 Share Posted March 21, 2002 Its just my thought but I dont think too many people are going to be ranting about Ep2..... well I guess thats a big asumption, heh. There will always be someone but I think you know what I mean. Ep2 will in my mind be the best SW movie yet personally. I just got done watching the trilogy all over again for old time sakes. The thing about the old movies is the only Jedi you ever really get a feal for is Luke, and he wasnt a very good jedi until around Ep6. He finally did away with even carrying a blaster by the end of the movie which ties into the original Jedi Knights and Masters of the whole timelime view. I liked Ep1 alot because of the way that the Jedi handled themselves, they were a force(pardon the pun) to be reconded with. When I was a kid watching Ep4-6 I was like wow... Star Wars, this is awsome. Now after the internet has sprung up and they have everything you ever really want to know about SW in the Databank on their web site and seeing Ep1 I have a whole new liking for the series really. Not really really a rant here but more of an appreciation for the whole thing I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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