holy cow

[Nute Gunray]

Again, you fail to understand exactly how accurate missiles are. They are designed not to just be lobbed at a 563' long cruiser. They are designed to hit <i>certain sections</i> of a ship and they do so.

Maybe I should have said "An airlaunched anti-ship cruise missile, like the Harpoon or the Exocet, can hit the 5 meter wide PILOTHOUSE of an Ticonderoga-class cruiser."

[Commander 598]

I only fail to understand the accuracy of 50-100ft cruise missiles that are more likely to hit an obstacle thats not a target like say a mountain.

[Nute Gunray]

50-100ft cruise missiles? sweet unholy Aztec monkey gods! That's not a cruise missile, that's a full blown ICBM. The standard TLAM that we're all familar with (that's the ship launched flying torpedo style Tomahawk) is only 18' 3". The CALCM that I posted is 20' 9".

The Peacekeeper ICBM is only 71' feet long/tall.

 

Constrast: The biggest, most badass Air to Air missile ever built is the AIM-54C. It's 13' feet long and can hit <i>anything</i> that can fly and is bigger than a bird. I don't care how advanced your uber-robot is, it's not going to out manuever an airplane any day of the week unless that day also has hailstones the size of a car falling from the sky.

[Zargon]

Besdies the fact that these lasers and radar you are relying on to track it DONT EXIST for it yet today, neither does the fusion generator required to fuel it, and I bet that if I take 1 B-52 with alot of 1k lb bombs, you wont be picking them out of the sky as they drop on you., plus it its 50 ft tall, its not a small target, and that thing will not be as manuverable as a tank.

 

 

Plus, the nuke doesnt have to be accruate, just in teh neighborhood, then EMP does its work and I can kick your ass with a blowtorch and a hammer as I pick the stupid POS apart wire by wire b/c it CAN'T DO ANYTHING.

[Admiral Odin]

Walkers won't work because you cut away their feet they are immobile. Once the walker can't move you can move around it and destroy it at your liesure.

 

Tanks are better.

[MadPilot]

You people need to get out more.

 

Besides, no army would commission a walker if it cost ten times more to make than a tank.

[Nute Gunray]

yes, the military would <i>never</i> spend more money on something less useful.

 

*cough*Crusader and LAV III*cough*

[Rogue9]

Starship Troopers type Power Armor on the othr hand could easily take down a tank battalion while we're on the subject of non-exsistant weaponry

[Zargon]

I guess I could rustlel up a space based Ion Cannon and disable you then

[Cmdr. Cracken]

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one dead walker. and a planet. i win.

[Zoom Rabbit]

There will never be a robot made that can dig holes, hear enemies approaching for miles, smell them from even farther, resist an electromagnetic pulse attack and bound across open fields faster than a grayhound (only slightly slower in dense underbrush.)

 

However, rabbits can do all of this.

[Redwing]

You people fail to understand that:

 

A) If we were at the technological level to construct 598's mech, then it would certainly have the technology to turn Nute's modern-day missiles into powder with ease. Or at least scramble their brains enough to send them crashing into each other, or simply absorb the hit.

 

B) Walkers in the Star Wars universe have the armor to make the option of cutting their legs out from under them nonexistent.

 

C) "If ROBOTS were a valid weapon, then we'd have them. It's that simple. Robots aren't a new idea either, so it's not like "WE JUST HAVEN'T DISCOVERED THEM YET." They're not even working on them for military applications."

That's a purely silly argument. How can you possibly know robots will never be a valid weapon just because they aren't today? =/

[Cmdr. Cracken]

Robots... nah.... Clones?

 

Maybe.

[Nute Gunray]

Originally posted by Redwing

A) If we were at the technological level to construct 598's mech, then it would certainly have the technology to turn Nute's modern-day missiles into powder with ease. Or at least scramble their brains enough to send them crashing into each other, or simply absorb the hit.

 

OH NOS!@ This is <i>absurd</i>.

Stick beget armor, armor beget sword, sword began gun, gun beget missile, missile beget missile kill vehicle, missile kill vehicle beget better missiles, better missile might beget combat walker, combat walker would then beget BETTER MISSILES. For <i>any</i> combat device, there will be a device to kill it.

 

B) Walkers in the Star Wars universe have the armor to make the option of cutting their legs out from under them nonexistent.

 

Prove. NOW.

 

C) "If ROBOTS were a valid weapon, then we'd have them. It's that simple. Robots aren't a new idea either, so it's not like "WE JUST HAVEN'T DISCOVERED THEM YET." They're not even working on them for military applications."

That's a purely silly argument. How can you possibly know robots will never be a valid weapon just because they aren't today? =/

 

Stand up, spin in a circle. Feel dizzy but you didn't fall down probably? Yeah, you can't make a gyroscope that works that good. Non-organic engineer prevents this. The reason they stopped working on combat walkers was that they couldn't get them to stand up and move around without falling. Any compensation by duplicating the inner ear of an animal would yield a cyborg more than a pure robot.

[Redwing]

Originally posted by Nute Gunray

 

OH NOS!@ This is <i>absurd</i>.

Stick beget armor, armor beget sword, sword began gun, gun beget missile, missile beget missile kill vehicle, missile kill vehicle beget better missiles, better missile might beget combat walker, combat walker would then beget BETTER MISSILES. For <i>any</i> combat device, there will be a device to kill it.

 

But it won't be the missiles you're using as examples. In fact, it might not be missiles at all!

 

Prove. NOW.

 

Watch ESB. A walker's knee gets hit by a turret-fired blaster bolt. It absorbs it. And it absorbs everything the Rebels can dish out at them, except for tying them up with extraordinarily strong cables that are normally used for hauling gigantic pieces of cargo. After they topple the walker, they are able to fire at the neck, which blows it up (I don't know why or care why, since that isn't my point) but they couldn't damage the legs at all.

 

 

Stand up, spin in a circle. Feel dizzy but you didn't fall down probably? Yeah, you can't make a gyroscope that works that good. Non-organic engineer prevents this. The reason they stopped working on combat walkers was that they couldn't get them to stand up and move around without falling. Any compensation by duplicating the inner ear of an animal would yield a cyborg more than a pure robot.

 

I fail to see your point. So what if we can't do that today? And what the heck is a "pure" robot?? I never said anything about the purity of robots. Ficitional combat walkers already imitate rl animals. I guess they're cyborgs, too.

[Nute Gunray]

I missed "modern day" missile, but it doesn't make any difference.

Weapons are optimized to attack a certain type of target. A Mach 2 cruise missile is probably not on the list of things a walker would need to shoot at, so it's guns wouldn't be designed to blow a missile out of the sky let alone track one and it's missile/rocket systems wouldn't be designed to target and intercept a large cruise missile. EMP attacks on a cruise missile are downright laughable, as they are currently invulnerable to that. A cruise missile is quite useless if it can get rendered inoperable by it's partner cruise missiles own (theortical) EMP burst. EMP hardened computer chips are easily 40 year old technology.

 

You said 'cutting' the legs out from under them, not 'use a directed energy weapon of insufficient power.' I'm sure the light laser cannons on a Star Destroyer would be enough to break a leg off and the heavy guns could easily burn them into nothingness. A nuclear device, of course, could scatter it's atoms across several square miles. I'm fairly certain a lightsaber could probably cut through the leg with enough work.

 

"Pure robot" means 'not a cyborg' which means it contains nothing that is alive. We proved TODAY that it's just not possible to duplicate the gryoscopic behavior of the inner ear of every animal we know of. That is the key to balance while mobile. We can't duplicate that with a machine <i>ever</i>. We can come sort of close (Honda's robot), but not to the degree of sophistication. Like with cameras, we can make one kickass camera that can pick out the fleas on a dog from 70,000 feet or look through walls from a mile, but we can't duplicate the auto-focus of an eye.

[Redwing]

You're basing your ideas on modern day technology. Generally, modern technology is built to better older technology.

 

So what if I said cutting? In the Star Wars universe, you usually use "directed energy weapons" to cut things in combat. If you're going to be that...odd...about details, I guess I should restate the sentence to read "impractical to the point of nonexistence" (and not everyone runs around with lightsabers or monster turbloasers powered by an even larger solar ionization reactor in a ground assault.)

 

The cannons of a Star Destroyer are powered by a reactor with the power of a small sun. One of a heavy turbolaser takes the energy an average SW universe small city uses in a day (...I don't remember, it might have been multiple days...) So it's pointless using them in your argument. I never said walkers were invulnerable.

 

Proved? How? I won't pretend robotics is my area of expertise, but how can you prove that something cannot ever be done? Has someone made a time machine and travelled forward in time, came back and told us it will never be done? If so, can I have the time machine?

[Zoom Rabbit]

I, for example, have a twenty-ninth century key fob that uses nanotech to grow a wide variety of useful tools--ranging from simple detection and molecular analysis devices to quantum subspace dampeners and pure energy collonade enablers. It can also produce beer.

 

The key fob's molecular computer database is, of course, intelligent and self-aware. Anything is possible if you go far enough into the future...

[Nute Gunray]

Not always.

What if China and the US nuke each other in 2011, throwing the world in a fuedalistic dark age?

 

[Rogue15]

What if I summoned the dead and invaded antarctica?

[Admiral Odin]

You would be very cold.

 

Walker=never would be used since they can be disabled easily.

 

Scenario.

 

A base is going to be attacked by walkers. Now say these walkers legs can't be blown off. But they can be easily triped. Holes that are deep enough and wide enough can trip a walker. That leaves it vunerable to attacks, while quite probable leaving it defenseless.

 

Once a walker is cannot move it becomes useless. A tank on the otherhand is different, the turrent allows it to be of some use even if it is inmobile. A walker with a turrent isn't the same since the turrent would be facing the ground.

 

Then if nobody mentioned this A walkers joints leave it extremely vunerable. To protect those you would need armor that can bend, which would not be as effective.

 

Think of this A walker is just a huge Knight. and what was the main problem with knights, the joints, why plate armor couldn't protect it, and chain mail offers minimal protection. Same would go for a walker although the armor would be different.

 

Also rail guns would be able to penatrate the armor because of the velocity of the round. Yes rail guns do exist, the US military has a working model and is developing one that could be fitted on to tanks.

 

I would like to mention A powered armored suit which would just be a one man unit, would be a different story.

[Nute Gunray]

Indeed, plate armor was less useful than it appears.

Imagine how much an armored walker would <i>weigh</i>. It would lose much of it's speed from the weight. For example, the AT-AT traveled at 60 kph but that was only because it had a stride of like 90 meters.

[Zargon]

Mind you this super laser absorbing armor got WRECKED by a pair of tree trunks hung by some Ewoks................ so just go find an old ballista and take them out anyways....

[Zoom Rabbit]

If I were assigned to an AT-ST crew, I would park the thing out in the open and hide myself in the brush nearby to see who comes to knock it over...

 

[Nute Gunray]

I wish I was a cyborg with the following artificial components:

 

-Carbon-fiber endoskeleton with synthetic spider silk ligaments

-ultra-thin, ultra-flexible Kelvar shell underneath skin.

-enhanced cardiovascular featuring dual hearts and lungs with lithium dioxide scrubbers to allow operation in high CO and CO2 enviroments

-cybernetic eyes featuring 1x-500x zoom capability, low light and infrared, and dual optical processors allowing a "HUD" like the Cyberdine Model 101 Terminator. Also, my processors are capable of turning low light visuals into a 3D wireframe instead of blurred shapes. All optical enhancements are thought controlled.

 

The only downside is I wouldn't have super strength.