holyhandgrenade Posted May 29, 2002 Share Posted May 29, 2002 I have been reading alot of the posts here, and gave up on trying to tally the number of people who liked this one compared to who hated it. Then this question came to mind - Would Star Wars be as huge as it is now if Ep 1,2,and 3 were released back in 77 on? Or is this dislike for the new ones just because of over expectation. I personally think it is mostly over expectation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaster21801 Posted May 29, 2002 Share Posted May 29, 2002 Same, I think it pretty much would have amazed everyone at the time if done properly... which would've been hard at that time mind you. Lousy technological advances Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotionMan Posted May 29, 2002 Share Posted May 29, 2002 Good point! Think about how well the Original 3 movies will do if they were released now. Meaning : same actors same everything. We would be yearning for more episode 1, 2 and 3. The thing with the first trilogy is that: You never get a second chance to make a first impression. Meaning no film after the first three will have the same impact as the original 3 because the audiance hadnt seen anything like it. Now that episode 1-3 are being released people already know just about everything in the star wars universe and it doesnt have a big "WOW" factor like the OT. This doesnt mean they are inferior movies. Just that people dont tend to realize this. I for one enjoy every movie star wars movie. I know GL is trying to tell his story as best he can visually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NemoX Posted May 29, 2002 Share Posted May 29, 2002 I have to agree...It had been so long between ep 6 and ep 1 that when ppl heard GL was going to make the prequels ppl' s expectations were so high that it would be impossible for GL to satisfy all the fans thus the dissapointment many fans have felt over the prequels...also you have to take in effect that these same fans who are dissapointed in the prequels saw the OT when they were much younger and it's impossible to recapture the feeling they had when they saw Star Wars for the first time as kids. Me personally i have not been dissapointed in the least but i also only saw the OT for the first time 3 yrs ago...I enjoyed ep 1 and ep 2 was a hundred times better than ep 1 and i know ep 3 will be even better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotionMan Posted May 29, 2002 Share Posted May 29, 2002 If Episodes 1-3 were realesed first before episodes 4-6. People are never going to be satisfied one way or the other. I could just hear the complaints. -why are the saber battles soo slow? -why is everyone wanting to be a comedian? -whats witht he goofball troopers? -ewoks? -Lukes not worthy to be a jedi. -ect -ect. I liked the OT I was just giving examples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holyhandgrenade Posted May 30, 2002 Author Share Posted May 30, 2002 That exactly my opinion. Man were those saber fights slow. Does anyone have a reason for this? (lack of jedi to fight??) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi_Monk Posted May 30, 2002 Share Posted May 30, 2002 Man were those saber fights slow. Does anyone have a reason for this? (lack of jedi to fight??) Episode IV: Ben wanted Vader to kill him. Episode V: Vader didn't want to overwhelm Luke and kill him, but to get to get him to join the Dark Side. Episode IV: Again, Vader had a conflict going on, didn't want to hurt Luke and Luke didn't want to hurt him. There's also the fact that Luke is untrained, and Vader is more machine than man, something that's got to slow him down a bit. But then, Dooku would've owned Luke with the Dark Side, so Vader probably doesn't really need a lightsaber unless he just wants to toy with his opponents. Also, the Dooku/Obi-Wan fight was fairly slow compared to the Duel of the Fates. The Duel of the Fates could be so fast because Maul wasn't keeping his defenses up because he knew the Jedi wanted to take him into custody. He was caught off guard when Obi-Wan REALLY started trying to kill him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holyhandgrenade Posted May 30, 2002 Author Share Posted May 30, 2002 I guess I will have to be happy with that then. And it appears that there has been quite a deal of thought put into this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotionMan Posted May 30, 2002 Share Posted May 30, 2002 Also in between the first trilogy and the new movies people got in to the books(EU). When the new movies came out. These guys were disapointed at george lucas for not folowing the EU story lines. LOL that in it self is another ridiculous argument in its self. People have to understand that its george lucas's universe. NOT these writers who are each going off on their own and expanding in their own way. How can you be more of a fan of some unknown writter than of george lucas himself? Anyhow thats were most of the small time charecters got popular cause they were given origins and stuff. Example-Bobba fett. I mean if a guy decides to write that lets say: the imperial guards had to kill 5 jedi knight in order to get that job, then youll have all these guys saying that the imperial guards are super cool. Even though in the movies they got like 2 minutes of air time in the whole 6 movies. They will base their veiw on them cause of the books. Just an example of how you can come to expect things that you read in books but that are not nessisarily official. I do have to agree that the book have some good stories but dont get disapointed when george doesnt follow the books. *sorry if its kinda long;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C'jais Posted May 30, 2002 Share Posted May 30, 2002 I agree with motionman and the rest of you guys. Maybe episode 1 would have made an even bigger impact on the children we once were if it was released first: a child lead role, a podrace, SPECTACULAR saber battle and so on... just a thought. And the problem with the EU is that it's not made by lucas (wow), and he pretty much decides what is starwars and what is not. The fanfic i've read just didn't try to tie in with the rest of the universe. Granted, the story they tell can sometimes be good, but it mostly doesn't connect well with the idea of star wars. It's mostly too dark and gritty or too "far out", for lack of a better word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obi Posted May 30, 2002 Share Posted May 30, 2002 to quote Lucas, "In the original Trilogy, we have just seen old men, and the young ones that learned from them fight. With the new movies, we can show everyone how Jedi actually fought." Its on the Episode 1 DVD special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelegalbeagle Posted June 1, 2002 Share Posted June 1, 2002 Sadly, I think that those who criticised AOTC and TPM and saw the original trilogy when they came out in 77, 80 and 83 have lost that little bit of their childhood that is imagination in the intervening years. Perhaps they should pay particular attention to what Yoda says about children in the scene on Coruscant with Obi-Wan and the younglings... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotionMan Posted June 1, 2002 Share Posted June 1, 2002 Originally posted by thelegalbeagle Sadly, I think that those who criticised AOTC and TPM and saw the original trilogy when they came out in 77, 80 and 83 have lost that little bit of their childhood that is imagination in the intervening years. Perhaps they should pay particular attention to what Yoda says about children in the scene on Coruscant with Obi-Wan and the younglings... Its cause after ROTJ thse guys got into the EU books. Now they got sooo used to that universe that they hoped that episodes 1-3 would follow that story line. When it didnt they got all their panties in a bunch and complain about this and that and they now dont like george lucas. LOL its kinda funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwing Posted June 1, 2002 Share Posted June 1, 2002 Lucas did keep the best of the EU. For example, Coruscant? The entire Sith Order? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keiran Halcyon Posted June 1, 2002 Share Posted June 1, 2002 Theonly dissapointing saber battle is the one in ANH, ESB and ROJ have very good and fast ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natty Posted June 1, 2002 Share Posted June 1, 2002 Don't forget, in the origional trilogy, Obiwan and Yoda are both old men, dunno how old Obiwan is supposed to be, but Yoda says he's 800 (or was it 900?) so it's not like he's gonna be jumping up and down all over the place like he is in AOTC, the same goes for Obiwan, also they're the only 2Jedi left, all the rest of them are dead, probably killed off by Anakin/Vader Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackDove Posted June 1, 2002 Share Posted June 1, 2002 Originally posted by obi-wan13 to quote Lucas, "In the original Trilogy, we have just seen old men, and the young ones that learned from them fight. With the new movies, we can show everyone how Jedi actually fought." Its on the Episode 1 DVD special. Meh, they didn't think of choreographers back then...doesn't matter really... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrinor Posted June 2, 2002 Share Posted June 2, 2002 Originally posted by Natty Don't forget, in the origional trilogy, Obiwan and Yoda are both old men, dunno how old Obiwan is supposed to be, but Yoda says he's 800 (or was it 900?) so it's not like he's gonna be jumping up and down all over the place like he is in AOTC Why is it that Yoda is so...inactive...in the original trilogy? I find it hard to believe that the 20 or so years between Ep. II and Eps. IV-VI have made such a huge difference in the vitality of a being already 900 years old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COJ Posted June 2, 2002 Share Posted June 2, 2002 it would of never happen, because lucas didnt have the technology for his plans for episode 1-3, like the clone army, or the droid army but if episode 4 would have been from this time, it would of suck, because it wouldnt be explosive like it was in 1977 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichDiesal Posted June 2, 2002 Share Posted June 2, 2002 Why is it that Yoda is so...inactive...in the original trilogy? I find it hard to believe that the 20 or so years between Ep. II and Eps. IV-VI have made such a huge difference in the vitality of a being already 900 years old. Well, Yoda is pretty inactive in Episode II except when he specifically uses the Force. Notice that he doesn't use the Force except when he actually needs it... he doesn't even pull on it to help him walk after his exhausting battle with Dooku. And when he's not using it, the effects of his age are already pretty obvious - he moves slowly and just overall seems tired. He doesn't really need to use the Force at all in the OT except to move Luke's X-Wing... so he doesn't pull on it. Plus remember, in those 20 or so years the organization that he has belonged to for nearly a millenium fell, the Republic as he knew it was destroyed, and he was forced into exile, away from what he had known for centuries. That can really wear away at a guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewok Hunter Posted June 3, 2002 Share Posted June 3, 2002 in fact it can wear away so much that he just lies down and dies:yodaball: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holyhandgrenade Posted June 8, 2002 Author Share Posted June 8, 2002 Why isn't anyone posting her anymore:( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obi Posted June 8, 2002 Share Posted June 8, 2002 because no one likes you. :D :D :D :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holyhandgrenade Posted June 8, 2002 Author Share Posted June 8, 2002 That's probably true, but not a very good reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obi Posted June 8, 2002 Share Posted June 8, 2002 LOL (if you where serious, My coment was meant as a joke. Thats why i put in the 's , as i fequently do) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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