for those who have asked for a demo of me playing

[DarthCobra]

Ya we seen the demo. And i repeat, I am not impressed. And I have never heard of you either. WTF does that got to do with anything. Are we spose to belive you are somebody from this demo? I dont.

[BigMexican]

all the people who abuse pull/stabbers and call them lame, im just wondering what exactly your motive is? i mean, ideally you'd be trying to stop people do it wouldn't you? i know that when people abuse me for pull/stabbing, i make a point to use the move to kill them every single time.

 

whinging and abusing people over backstab will only make the problem worse, in a way, you're simply making the game crapper for yourself.

[Mero Vilul]

Hmm, I'm not impressed I must say... Was bored so I took a look... But not from all the pull / backstab spamming (although I never use it myself, and thats why I don't play tournaments, cause I only want to have fun)... But you were slow to see were he respawned (stood still looking around once in a while), he easily escapes your view (you turning to slow) and overall the mouse movement wasn't really good.

 

I just wanted to critise someone, I've had a boring Saber only FFA fights just now, everyone used pull + backstab the entire fight... yuck.. Oh well...

 

And with you complaining he swinged a lot, he did that in close combat, and with hes ping of 200+ you always do it a bit longer, because of lag. The opponent more easily escapes the your view, but you think he just jumped over you or something and do 2-3 extra swings. Or sometimes you don't even see him moving, he just dissappers from the screen. So don't blame him for swinging to much. He seemed to be pretty weak in the force anyways..

 

Gotta join your server someday.

[Jevesus]

i'm sorry, do i need to actually play you to be able to comment on the demo you have supplied us with, leelink?

am i devoid of personal opinion because my name does not ring a bell to you?

 

wether i'm a newb or not i'll have unsaid, but it seems to me that your displayed repeating tactics are more newbie-like than anything else.

 

it is my, and several others as it seems, personal opinion that you kill merely by using a single combo, over and over again. strike that, it's not an opinion. it's a fact. you do, in the demo.

 

the demo is what the topic is here, thus the demo is what we are commenting, it is not a big concept to grasp.

 

good luck with your advanced, intricate and not-lame-at-all pull/backstab-rinse-repeat tactics. really.

[Wallace]

How do you make a demo?

I have had some pretty nice fights over time and I just wished I could make demos of them:(

[intoxictd]

What's wrong here. I've created the folder "Demos", and then tried "Demo", moved the dm_15 into the folder, opened the game, and it wasn't in the demo list. Any know why?

[BigMexican]

you created it in the bse directory?

 

JK2\GameData\base\demos

 

is the full file path

[Zain Sundancer]

don't work i get this message:

Forbidden

You don't have permission to access /ebay/images/match.dm_15 on this server.

[Wallace]

Can somebody answer MY question?

[leelink]

For demo recording use this zip file. It will make it so you can hit record and stop recording just by pressing two easy keys. it even names them during your recording session so you can have multiple recordings. read the readme in the zip file for the instuctions. really nice recording script.

 

http://www.padgamer.com/ebay/images/recorddemos.zip

 

Also for those that posted about me backstabing. Your just like my friend that tell the game cheats (any game) You make excuses for your lack of skill and then blame on anything in the game you can. In this case its backstab and pull. Instead of looking at maybe its how you play thats at fault, its easier to just blame it on the game. The thing is, everone has the same "ability" to block a pull or push or use pull or push, light or dark. Its probably the most fair force in the game. I could cheat with other forces, (lightning, absorb, rage, speed, ect) but I dont. You dont see me complaining about pull backstabs, because I have learned how to block them. Yes, it took me a long time, over 2 months of playing that way with a friend, so I know when to move and how to move. Its not cheap and I did use other moves such as the med stance lunge. and even while the other guy is running at me backwards half the game you only point out that I am backstabing. Of course I am. He was doing it to me, I cant help I am better at it. and to further my efforts I will be posting a demo that shows how easily a push/pull can be blocked when you know what to do.

[Twins of Doom]

I will post another demo as soon as I have another challenger.

 

i'll be the challenger:p

we might as well do it on the clan server....we can just set it up to [JHQ] Duel in Progress and put a password on it (why not make it the same as the rconpassword)

 

wanna play no force or force?

 

 

 

and actually leelink, i've played Aerys before, Aerys is pretty good....beat me a couple times too;) but i beat Aerys too:P

[ThingAhMajig]

Originally posted by Aerys

Wow you sure are l33t. What would you do without pull/backstab?

 

I loved it when you even Mind-Tricked the guy to use it.

 

"You gotta do what you gotta do."

 

What pure BS...

 

Aerys so true... It was damn sad the entire demo. Bunch of idiots running backwards from what I saw. Is this how the ladders are? OMFG

[Wallace]

Many thxz Leelink!

[Twins of Doom]

Originally posted by ThingAhMajig

 

Aerys so true... It was damn sad the entire demo. Bunch of idiots running backwards from what I saw. Is this how the ladders are? OMFG

 

as i've said before

 

leelink doesn't HAVE to play like that...i've played him on a no force server and he can kick some ass (trust me, he's beat some of the best clan members in my clan too.....without using a single force power or backstab)

[Jevesus]

So using one, and only one, method in a plethora of methods to kill, is somehow supposed to impress us?

And, sticking to this one, and one only, method of playing is not lame or newbie-ish, at all?

 

I don't know if this game is universially different from _all_ others, but in the context of any other game I've ever played this is the god damned definition of newbie behaviour.

 

But hey, this one has light sabres, so I guess it's different, huh?

[leelink]

actaully the dynamics of this game are quite different compared to other FPS games. #1 difference is that you fight more closely with your opponent and can block "any" attack in many different ways, even weapons. everything is completely counterable with absorb and protect or rage and speed. If you cant hack it use these force powers in combination. your best bet would be rage and speed though. I dont want to have to tell you how to play, but damn you just wont let the backstabing go. If you have a weak spot in the game then change your gameplay to fix it. dont bitch about someone backstabing. I swear some of you will make any excuse you can for why you cant win and call it lame. I pull and backstab the whole match because the other person didnt change his playing style, If he had I would have changed mine. he had the option to change his force powers each match and choose not to. If someone is being lame, my first response to that is what can I change in my playing abilities or force powers to beat them. How can I use them spamming the same move to my advantage. If your blaming the game for your lack of abilities you will never get any better. If you wish a match against me you can contact me at icq 2287123 or if you like me to teach you to block pull and push force moves you can icq me also.

[Twins of Doom]

and then of course you can also join the clan (you gotta try out first though)

http://jkhq.ath.cx

 

and all our clan members can help you

 

 

for those who don't know the counter to unique moves are:

Lunge Attack: keep away OR kick

Downwards Spear (on medium): kick

Death From Above: push, move away and backstab while down on ground or kick opponent

Backstab/sweep: Kick don't stay behind them medium unique attack or DFA also work

 

EVERY move is counterable, you just need to think about it and figure it out

push/pull: absorb and/or force points in the opposite

the more force power in your pool the better chance of blocking it

and keep away

if you stand still they can't pull you to ground

the only reason you fall from pull is because you get pulled into them

 

[JHQ]Twins of Doom

[adrian832]

hey i got a few good demos, now how do i post them theres no plae that says attachment or anything

[Bluezman]

I saw the demo yesterday.

 

First off, I like the idea to post demos to the community and let them make comments on that, even if there will always be people who have different opinions (ah well, thats the point of a discussion forum... )

 

I read the comments of the other guys, especially of those who state that you use lame tactics.

 

I do not want to get in a discussion here whether pull/backstab is lame or not, we had that in many other posts.

 

However, I agree to some degree with what Jevesus said.

So using one, and only one, method in a plethora of methods to kill, is somehow supposed to impress us?

And, sticking to this one, and one only, method of playing is not lame or newbie-ish, at all?

I do not want to offend you, in fact I respect you as a valuable member of this community and from your posts that I have read so far I can tell, that you at least know the game very well.

 

Now what I wondered about was the fact why you didn't really change your tactics. You must admit (and you already did) that you pretty much stuck with pull/backstab all the time. You are very good at that and thus, you were stomping all over the enemy.

 

So from a truly skilled player, in this case I would expect that he tries other tactics as well. Like "ok I can own this guy with pull/backstab, now lets try something different". I would even say, in a ladder came if it turns out that the enemy can adapt to every other tactic very well, go back to that tactic that worked and keep doing that until the match is won. (As someone put it: that's why I don't play the ladders, it forces you to use the most effective moves even if they are *put in your favorite adjective concerning pull/backstab*.)

 

In my books, skill is determined by being unpredictable, by choosing from a variety of different moves and tactics. You did not even change your stance once! (Note: I am not saying, you can't, I am sure that you do. I am just commenting of what I saw in the demo.)

 

Using slow red stance swings and then surprise your opponent with a blue lunge when he's off track, quick-spinning with blue stance and then pulling off a dfa all of a sudden, using unpredictable comboes, prefarrably chain together moves from different stances, that seems to be more skillful to me that being truly efficient with only one move/tactic.

 

I already would have been more impressed, if you exchanged the blue backstab with a red backsweep every now and then (same tactic but somewhat more variety, at least to look at, if you get the picture).

 

Again, I don't want to insult or offend you, just like to hear your (and the community's) opinion on that.

[Sith_Incarnite]

I've never played against Leelink but from what I've read....I know just where he's coming from. When I first encountered the pull/backstab spammers....I got extremely pissed and frustrated but it's not in my nature to quit or give up so I've worked tirelessly to come up with methods and techniques to counter this meneuver and I still get killed often with it but have increased my ability to keep from getting killed by that move. If people would stop griping about how cheap and unfair all of these moves are and start working to defend against them....you would see that it can be done. I'm not going to give away my methods for countering the pull/backslash but there are three highly effective ways to counter. Don't run from these guys....but rather seek them out every chance you get so that you can eventually discover how to defeat them.

 

Ok...I will tell you one thing that works rather well against it.....use force absorb to keep from being pulled to the ground and then crouch to minimize damage of the backstab and then cut their throat. It takes patience, timing and practice but it is effective.

 

Leelink....I say more power to you!

[Bluezman]

Sith_Incarnate: I don't know if your post was aiming at me, I only want to make clear one thing (since my above post was rather long... ) :

 

I did NOT complain about pull/backstab being cheap.

 

I just asked about changing of tactics versus relying on one single tactic/move only.

[Jevesus]

quote:

If your blaming the game for your lack of abilities you will never get any better. If you wish a match against me you can contact me at icq 2287123 or if you like me to teach you to block pull and push force moves you can icq me also.

end-quote

 

i'm not blaming you for anything, neither am i claiming youre a bad player. maybe you should play less and use that valuable time to learn to read properly.

again: i aint blaming you for my supposed lack of skills, i dont care if you are a better or worse player than i am.

 

im not insinuating you are bad, im not insinuating im neither bad or good, and im definately not insinuating that im better than you.

 

what im confused about here is that, in any other game ive _ever_ played, constantly repeating one single combination or strategy in order to be proficient is known as newbie behaviour. really talented players simply dont need to resort to one, and one only, strategy.

 

you obviously, and explicitly, think that this game is so far different from any other game (you managed to squeeze "FPS" into the sentence, whatever) that it is ultimately not cheap tactics to use one, and only one, strategy throughout, all the time.

 

personally, i dont think this game is anything conceptually new, at all. see, ive played Tekken, Virtua Fighter, Toshinden Arena, etc, and quite frankly i dont see how this game is so incredibly far from those.

and by the way, the demo was of you dueling, so that one-on-one kind of playing is what im comparing with, not quake free-for-all deathmatch.

 

maybe you never played any of the previously mentioned games, i dunno, and, i dont care.

my opinion still stands: your strategy is to keep repeating the same damned combination over and over again until the enemy unfortunately walks into your ass, and thereby your lightsaber. it seems a few agrees.

now if you want to be that kind of player, more power to you. from where i come from thats newbie behaviour by fricken definition, but, good luck with that.

[leelink]

my comment on tactics change are

 

My opponent should make me change tactics. I shouldnt have to change tactics to suit those that watch my demos or those who cannot defend against them (how will you ever learn to defend against it). While using the same move over and over to kill someone can be irratating and seem lame it gives us a chance to learn and be better in future fights. you would be surprised by learning one counter how much you can apply to other moves in the game. I often complain of a new cheap move when found, (the saber throw and pull, so the person cant block the throw), but I have now found myself much better at avoiding throws and capitalizing on them. (i now have trained myself to roll under the saber, then kick my opponent down and stab them) me thinks saberthrow is very dangerous to use indeed : )

 

I am still working on my strategy guide for all force powers and attacks. I know the community will find it useful when finished and only the most skilled jedi will be able to defend or use the tactics listed (the moves take practice and anticipating where your opponent is without actually seeing them). It should be complete by thurday night. I have taken my experience with other players and thier moves and listed what I believe thier next move will be after a given move and provided a counter to it. It will give everyone a better outlook on why I use pull/push a lot and why I believe its balanced.

[Bluezman]

my comment on tactics change are

 

My opponent should make me change tactics. I shouldnt have to change tactics to suit those that watch my demos

Agreed. What probably caused the whole discussion is:

 

1st

By posting a demo (which - I say it again - I think is a great idea) you make some kind of statement. "look, this is how I play. I chose this specific demo to post it for everybody to look at because it gives you a good impression on how I play and what my skill level is".

 

2nd

The community reacts somewhat touchy to the pull/backstab issue. (Again, I am not commenting on whether this is a lame tactic/move or not)

 

Combine these two things and people go crazy about "you only use this one move! lamer!".

 

Maybe it would have been totally different if you had chosen a demo in which you only occasionly used backstab, simply because your opponent forced you to change tactics. People would have said: look at him, how he kills his opponent without even using pull/backstab."

 

However, you resolve this issue by publishing strategy guides, which is a very nice way to solve this problem, as you supply the community with valuable information .

 

It probably will show that you are no n00b. Looking forward to reading it!

[Jevesus]

leelink, you dont seem to comprehend what the deal is here.

 

it is irrelevant if you use pull/backstab or not, or _any_ other strategy or tactics. irrelevant.

 

i would object to the same degree if you would be using _any_ other combo in the same repeating fashion. using any given combo is not, in my opinion, newbie behaviour.

but using one, and one only, combination or strategy to be proficient, is.

 

i repeat (pun intended): it is not the use of an arbitrary strategy or combo that is newbie (lame, actually) behaviour, it is the repetitive fashion of which it is used.

 

once again: im not calling you a newbie, leelink. im stating that repeated use of a single strategy is, atleast in other games, definite newbie behaviour.