Scotchy Posted October 15, 2002 Share Posted October 15, 2002 If I may suggest... maybe make the upper part of his head/scalp... smaller. Like scaled smaller. Ewan's head rounds out more at the top. That sounds difficult, but with a little selective vertex editing, I think it could be done. And the eyes need to come togethera bit... I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonces Posted October 16, 2002 Share Posted October 16, 2002 nah, that wouldn't be difficult at all Scotchy, I'm just going to hold off any major changes until he has a better skin on him Ok, these are very early shots, but here's Samuel L, it's my first completely from scratch SubD head. Before I used a much different technique to make my heads. Anyway, crits are very welcome 580 polys http://www.drivingcatstudios.com/images/saml1.jpg http://www.drivingcatstudios.com/images/saml2.jpg http://www.drivingcatstudios.com/images/saml3.jpg http://www.drivingcatstudios.com/images/samlflat.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keo718 Posted October 16, 2002 Share Posted October 16, 2002 Obi Wan: -Bring his chin up more, especially at the corners. -Nose: the bridge is too narrow(and long), the nostrils are far to round -The split in his chin comes up more -Move down his hairline(leaving the rest of the hair as is) while bringing down his eye position and nose position -His lips need be thinner, and adjacent to the curve in his jaw(for proportion purposes);need to be closer in position to the (adjusted)nose -eyes still need to be closer together -Neck is to thick in comparison to his head -ears need to come out more http://www.drivingcatstudios.com/images/obi4.jpg copy/paste http://www.geocities.com/eo718/owk-ig02.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldritch Posted October 16, 2002 Share Posted October 16, 2002 Looks good, Toonces! I know Keo will be excited about this... Some crits - the ear in the profile is too low, and his head has kind of a light bulb shape (easiest to see from the front)... perhaps consider not making it go out quite so far? You also should make a new thread for it. -Anakin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keo718 Posted October 16, 2002 Share Posted October 16, 2002 Mace: Very nice work so far, I like the headshape. A few crits.... -from a front view, the neck is a bit too long. Also try making it a little thinner. -His ears are too big and out of position. The bottom of his ears should begin at a point adjacent to the bottom of his nose, and the top of his ears should end at a point adjacent to the top of his eyebrows. -from the side view, his nose does not stick out enough. Also, the back of his head is too rounded. Check the ref pic. http://cgi.theforce.net/theforce/multimedia/imageFolio.cgi?action=view&link=Images/Episode_2/Characters/Mace_Windu&image=aotc-mace_windu_lg02.jpg&img=&tt= http://cgi.theforce.net/theforce/multimedia/imageFolio.cgi?action=view&link=Images/Episode_1/Characters/Mace_Windu&image=macewind.jpg&img=&tt= -Finally, his eyes are too far apart and his head(around the temple area) needs to be moved inward a bit. Looks good, Toonces! I know Keo will be excited about this... hee, hee.... EDIT: Also, move his lips down a bit in position, and his top lip should be a lot thicker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonces Posted October 16, 2002 Share Posted October 16, 2002 Thanks for the feedback guys I'll go and make the changes you suggested. I'll try and put up a few more pics tonight I'm not going to start a new thread for this because I just wanna stay a little low profile for right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonces Posted October 17, 2002 Share Posted October 17, 2002 Here you go keo and Anakin_S, your suggestions implemented. Moved a bunch of verts around Getting closer http://www.drivingcatstudios.com/images/saml4.jpg http://www.drivingcatstudios.com/images/saml5.jpg http://www.drivingcatstudios.com/images/saml6.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldritch Posted October 17, 2002 Share Posted October 17, 2002 The shape of the head looks much better, Toonces. I think the ears are a little pointy though... and maybe a bit too long (heightwise). So are you going to make a new thread for this model or what? -Anakin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keo718 Posted October 17, 2002 Share Posted October 17, 2002 Jedi_Anakin_S: I'm not going to start a new thread for this because I just wanna stay a little low profile for right now. In case you missed it. Toonces: Nice. The bottom of the ears need be raised up to where his nose starts. Also, the top of the ears come too far away from his head. The neck is MUCH better. The bridge of his nose should be slightly thinner. Concerning the side view, his nose looks better, but the modeling of the nose is not very detailed. Also, the back of his head still needs to be pushed in more, the curve should be very slight. Also, try to define the lines around his mouth and his upper lip. edit: The length of his head from the side view(front of face to back of head) is to great. It needs to be reduced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldritch Posted October 17, 2002 Share Posted October 17, 2002 Originally posted by keo718 Jedi_Anakin_S: In case you missed it. Thanks, Keo. I did miss it. And Toonces, sorry for asking twice. -Anakin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonces Posted October 17, 2002 Share Posted October 17, 2002 It's all good Ok, I made some suttle tweaks, I wanna get the shape of his head right before I move on to more detail. I'll define the noze a little better next time I update, the polys are there, I just have to push some verts around http://www.drivingcatstudios.com/images/saml7.jpg http://www.drivingcatstudios.com/images/saml8.jpg http://www.drivingcatstudios.com/images/saml9.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Chrono_MOT- Posted October 17, 2002 Share Posted October 17, 2002 good job so far toonces! I suggest for his ears you make them just a tad bigger...Sammy has much bigger ears. EDIT: Wait, nevermind it was just the angle. His ears are fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotchy Posted October 17, 2002 Share Posted October 17, 2002 Nice work toonces... very nice. It seems like all I do around here it crit other people's work... but here goes: Sammy J has very pronounced cheekbones, check reference pics (I hate comparing other people's work, but...) or look at klorel's unfinished Sam. I suppose that could be accomplished as a skin element, but maybe some of it could be modeled. And keep his eyes in mind... he has bigger eyes than your average guy. I like what you've done so far (Kit fisto was great.) and I'm just trying to help out a little. EDIT: Now that I check the reference pics, I think you know what you're doing. I retract my observations. The headshape is perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madjai Posted October 17, 2002 Share Posted October 17, 2002 in pic 9 he looks like an ape, maybe his face is out too much or his head isnt high enough... and man hes got a big forhead. but id really have to see ref pics and im not sure if there are any in this thread as i havent looked at it since like page 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keo718 Posted October 17, 2002 Share Posted October 17, 2002 Good job with the ears Toonces. The other adjustments look good too. The comment I made about pushing in the back of his head, it still could be pushed in some more. Otherwise, why don't you have someone whip up a preliminary skin? It will be alot easier to give constructive crit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonces Posted October 17, 2002 Share Posted October 17, 2002 Yeah, that's going to be the next step keo, it's much easier to tweak with some texture Madjai, I'm not sure I agree that he looks like an ape from the side, Samuel L has very prominant cheek bones. I really need to get a skin on him Anyway, I'll tweak a little more and do up some flats. Oh, I should have an Obi skin soon too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keo718 Posted October 17, 2002 Share Posted October 17, 2002 Did you make the Obi tweaks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primrodo Posted October 17, 2002 Share Posted October 17, 2002 Toonces, About teh Qui-Gon model, what did you think about the nitpicks? Valid? Just curious Justin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonces Posted October 17, 2002 Share Posted October 17, 2002 Prim, yeah, definatly valid nitpicks, if I bunch up the tabbards though like you suggest they won't quite look right in motion, blame LA and Raven for that. As for the boots, I like them myself, not 100% accurate, but you have to leave some room for some artistic liberties. Anyway, I woke up early today and unwraped Samuel L's head, I'm on the fence about the mapping in the back of the head, but I'm gonna leave it as it is now unless Arco says he's bad Anyway, just a quicky for you guys, especially you keo since your as big a fan of Samuel L as I am Next up is the texture http://drivingcatstudios.com/images/samulgame.jpg Oh, about the Obi tweaks, nothing further yet, soon though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Chrono_MOT- Posted October 17, 2002 Share Posted October 17, 2002 his head needs to be bigger Toonces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonces Posted October 17, 2002 Share Posted October 17, 2002 heh, yeah, as soon as I got him ingame I thought his head size was a little off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldritch Posted October 17, 2002 Share Posted October 17, 2002 Yeah the head size is just a tad too small... kind of like that guy from Beetlejuice in the waiting room (fans of the movie will know what I'm talking about). Also his hands looking freakishly huge... am I just mistaken, or do his hands look REAALLY big in that in-game pic? -Anakin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonces Posted October 17, 2002 Share Posted October 17, 2002 heh, I think it was just the angle of the shot that made his hands look so humongeous, that and his pea sized head. I enlarged the head a bit, let me know what you guys think. I have a bunch or proportional changed to make to the body, Samuel L isn't that skinny http://www.drivingcatstudios.com/images/samhead2.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldritch Posted October 17, 2002 Share Posted October 17, 2002 I think that's the Qui-Gon body, so this may be irrelevant... but the kimono should be shorter underneath the belt, and the tabards a bit longer. Mace had really long tabards. -Anakin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Chrono_MOT- Posted October 17, 2002 Share Posted October 17, 2002 He's perfect now toonces. Just save him as a different mesh, bring the tabards closer together, and change the skin (obviously) and you will have a dead-on model. Now if only I knew how to model player characters. Anyone got any links for me to check out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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