ialexeev Posted October 20, 2002 Share Posted October 20, 2002 hey, why make another skin for mace windu? i thought there is a finished model (yet not relesed)??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keo718 Posted October 20, 2002 Share Posted October 20, 2002 Toonces: Eyes: Lift up his lower eyelids. His pupils also should be moved up, they are too centered right now. Try making his eyes a bit wider(horizontally) as well. Nose: The bridge of his nose is far too wide and his nostrils should be much flatter, not that round(check the pic). Chin/Jaw: His jaw should begin to curve a little under where his lips are positioned. At the bottom, his chin is not rounded, but flat. Lips: make them just a bit wider. Round the top tip of his head more as well(from the front view). Try those changes and see where it takes you. Also everyone must remember that this is just a base skin,(no where near the final) to determine faults in the geometry. This is why it lacks detail. http://www.padawansguide.com/obiwan/images/frenchinsider_obi_mace.jpg http://www.geocities.com/eo718/Mace7.jpg http://www.geocities.com/eo718/Mace7.jpg *copy & paste the last two links* edit: From my last crit post: Try making his head less wide(especially from the ears up).... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kit Fisto Posted October 20, 2002 Share Posted October 20, 2002 Originally posted by ialexeev hey, why make another skin for mace windu? i thought there is a finished model (yet not relesed)??? Thats what I thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonces Posted October 20, 2002 Share Posted October 20, 2002 Thanks guys, every extra set of eyes is only gonna make him more accurate Now that I have heard from keo and Anakin_S (very good eyes, you too loki ) I'm gonna start to make some tweaks, more updates within the hour. Oh, and thanks keo for mentioning the skin. As he said it's a early version without a ton of detail, help immensely with geometry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonces Posted October 20, 2002 Share Posted October 20, 2002 Originally posted by ialexeev hey, why make another skin for mace windu? i thought there is a finished model (yet not relesed)??? It's a model actually, not a skin, and the reason I decided to make him was because it appears that Klorel's Mace may never see the light of day. Plus we need one for aotc:tc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ialexeev Posted October 20, 2002 Share Posted October 20, 2002 why? whats wrong with klorel?? last time i checked the model was completed :S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mariners2001 Posted October 20, 2002 Share Posted October 20, 2002 here are my suggestions for mace's model and skin: 1) skin is too red 2) chin needs to be longer 3) his cheeks look too puffy (i think this is why he looks so young) 4) add more expression to his eyes/brows (after all it's Samuel L.) 5) eyes are a bit too wide open I really really want to thank you Toonces for making all these great models. Your work is very much appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldritch Posted October 20, 2002 Share Posted October 20, 2002 Originally posted by ialexeev why? whats wrong with klorel?? last time i checked the model was completed :S Last time you checked must've been a LONG time ago, because Klorel has been MIA for quite some time. -Anakin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deetox187 Posted October 20, 2002 Share Posted October 20, 2002 Wow Mace is looking good Toonces, i expected to see some Qui Gon updates but this is a pleasant suprise lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonces Posted October 20, 2002 Share Posted October 20, 2002 A couple more shots, tweaked everything you guys suggested except I wasnt sure wether the chin needs to come down (like marriner suggested) or the jawbone come up in the back http://drivingcatstudios.com/images/sam1.jpg http://drivingcatstudios.com/images/sam2.jpg heh, your right mariner, the skin is too red, I bet Arco is going to darken it though. your four other suggestions are great too, the eyebrow animation will be handeled with the ingame animations so a neutral position is good. when I have his face rigged I'll post some shots of an angry Samuel L Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Loki Posted October 20, 2002 Share Posted October 20, 2002 Its looking better, but personally I think the eyes are to wide still. look at yourself in the mirror. you shouldn't be able to see that much of the iris in the eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mariners2001 Posted October 20, 2002 Share Posted October 20, 2002 looks very nice. can't wait to see the animated eye brows! i still think the chin could be brought down more. the lips do look a bit big ...but other than that I think it looks nearly perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonces Posted October 20, 2002 Share Posted October 20, 2002 Oh, you mean the skin on the eyes, I can adjust that with uvmaps, but it's a very early skin so it's going to change, I'm more intrested in the geometry of the head, spacing of the eyes, size of the noze ect. I'll mention it to Arco though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldritch Posted October 20, 2002 Share Posted October 20, 2002 The bottom of the jaw should be brought up closer to the bottom lip. Also the ears should stick out further. And the shoulders look way too wide (though I can't really tell for sure from the screenshots you've posted). Nice work just the same, Toonces. Say, you wouldn't be interested in a very small modeling project for me, would you? -Anakin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keo718 Posted October 20, 2002 Share Posted October 20, 2002 Toonces, I am going to give you a visual illustration of what I mean.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldritch Posted October 20, 2002 Share Posted October 20, 2002 Originally posted by keo718 Toonces, I am going to give you a visual illustration of what I mean.... You gonna draw us something, Keo? Between the forums and sketching stuff for the Hogwarts stage, my wrist is killing me, lol. -Anakin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonces Posted October 20, 2002 Share Posted October 20, 2002 Ooooh, drawlings are good What is this little project you speak of Anakin_S? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldritch Posted October 20, 2002 Share Posted October 20, 2002 Originally posted by Toonces What is this little project you speak of Anakin_S? It'd be a little project for you. For me, it's a big project. You may or may not have seen it (though it's in my sig now), but i'm starting a Hogwarts (the school from Harry Potter books/movie) map. However, i've realized there's certain things in Radiant that I can't do - and I am unable to model (believe me, i've tried, and it was UGLY). It'd just be a couple of tiny things (e.g. a small owl statue that's part of a torch holding thingee (I can give you pics, 'cause I know that's really abstract, lol) and perhaps a few other things in a similar vein down the road a bit. Shouldn't take too much detail, a lot of it could probably be done in the texture... but I know you've got a lot of projects, so if you can't do it, I'd understand. -Anakin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_NinjaGaiden_ Posted October 20, 2002 Share Posted October 20, 2002 Qui Gon IS AWESOME MAN !!!!!!!!! HEY LOOK I MADE MYSELF AN AVATAR WOW!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonces Posted October 20, 2002 Share Posted October 20, 2002 Originally posted by JEDI_Anakin_S (Major clipage) It'd be a little project for you. For me, it's a big project. -Anakin Send me an e-mail at my drivingcatstudios.com address and I'll see what I can do Right now I have alot on my plate but modeling prefabs arn't very complex. Anyway, just shoot me an e-mail Time for some zzz's, got company coming over tommorow. I'll have some more goodies then, and I'm looking forward to keo's illustration Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldritch Posted October 20, 2002 Share Posted October 20, 2002 Originally posted by Toonces Send me an e-mail at my drivingcatstudios.com address and I'll see what I can do Right now I have alot on my plate but modeling prefabs arn't very complex. Anyway, just shoot me an e-mail Time for some zzz's, got company coming over tommorow. I'll have some more goodies then, and I'm looking forward to keo's illustration I hate to get technical, 'cause you're the man, and I may be mistaken, but as I understand it... prefabs are like models made in Radiant. What I'm looking for is just slightly too complex to be made in Radiant (otherwise, i'd do it myself). I'm sending you an email at your drivingcat (that was such a funny SNL skit) email addy... you can see what I mean. -Anakin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keo718 Posted October 20, 2002 Share Posted October 20, 2002 Im not exactly a skinner, but I tried to depict the necessary changes I've mentioned in feedback. Hope this helps. http://www.geocities.com/eo718/mace.jpg http://www.geocities.com/eo718/macetweaked2.jpg original - http://drivingcatstudios.com/images/sam2.jpg copy & paste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldritch Posted October 20, 2002 Share Posted October 20, 2002 Originally posted by keo718 Im not exactly a skinner, but I tried to depict the necessary changes I've mentioned in feedback. Hope this helps. http://www.geocities.com/eo718/mace.jpg http://www.geocities.com/eo718/macetweaked2.jpg copy & paste. Wow Keo... I was expecting a sketch. And the changes you made are a definite improvement (although they could be improved even more by the final skin vs. the base skin). I would still bring in the head closer to the temples width wise... And is it just me, or does most reference pics of Mace seem to have him with his hand on his chin in contemplation of something? -Anakin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keo718 Posted October 20, 2002 Share Posted October 20, 2002 I would still bring in the head closer to the temples width wise... True.... http://www.geocities.com/eo718/mace2.jpg copy & paste Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mariners2001 Posted October 20, 2002 Share Posted October 20, 2002 YES!!!!! KEO THAT IS PERFECT!! Maybe you could try skinning too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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