Duel Strategy

[teutonicknight]

Hello

 

I don't know if this is new or not, but I just found out that it is very effective to turn off your light saber then switch saber stances durring duels. Your enemy will be tricked into thinking that you are on one stance (like red) but you are really on another (like blue); then you can wildly attack the person . Yes, I know, this probably interfere with the Saber Codes I'm hearing about....

 

 

-teutonicknight

 

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[leXX]

No, there is no code I know of that prevents this. I always use this tactic especially when running.

[malinkie]

I use that tactic quit a bit too but there is no point when you moving. there is no difference in the moving anims if you stance is whatever.

[leXX]

I think you are missing the point. If you are running, then there is no need to turn your saber off to disguise a stance change.

[BigMexican]

i think you're both saying the same thing

[leXX]

Probably It's quite easy to say the same thing but not say the same thing in these Forums, if you know what I mean!

[Homosexual Ewok]

That can work, but be careful.

A smart person will toss a saber and pull you right before it strikes you and even if you ignite your saber you will go through the "block" animation and get nailed.

(Assuming it is enabled of course)

[Erliko]

I used to di this all the time; standing still with my saber unlit. This worked for about 20 rounds, but after that my apponent kept trowing his saber at me, or (trying to be) performing DFA, so i lit my saber after that, i just run all the time so they cant see wich stile i use.. Altough my opponents can see after one battle that I use red stance, i can still surprise them with the medium finisher, or the backstab.. Just switch styles while running..

[zenroth]

I personally hate people who do this, mainly cause im a beliver in saber off = peace, or im about to say something, etc. So generally its annoying cause if someone turns off there saber, ill normally turn mine off as well then get hit by someone who was just turning there saber off to try an hide there stance.

[leXX]

I do not hit people with their saber off unless they do it to me. Of course there is the infight playing around where you turn you're saber off and taunt each other etc. I change stance while I'm running around the person (which is something I do alot of, in fact I hardly ever stand still during a fight) and while I'm walking at the beginning of a fight. I think it is very important to disguise your stance as surprise is the best tactic.

[teutonicknight]

Hmmm.... that's a good idea, running while changing stances.....

 

-teutonicknight

[Xzzy]

detecting stances is pretty pointless anyways since people usually only switch stances to use a special attack, the setup for which is painfully easy to recognize.

 

If they start crouching, they're in blue. If they start backpedaling they're preparing for a dfa. If they start jumping around like a goddamn monkey in your face they're in yellow.

 

Any halfway alert player will immediatley see what stance it is as soon as you begin an attack as well, which nullifies the point of decieving them.

[leXX]

O.K...so I'm running around you and then I jump towards you, which stance am I in?

 

hmmm...it is not easy to detect the stance of a decent player. Decent players do not crouch before blue lunge, they do not walk back before a dfa and they certainly don't jump about before a yellow dfa.

 

I don't switch stances just to do a special attack, I switch because each of the stances saber swings are different and have their own advantages.

[Xzzy]

Doesn't matter. As soon as you make a move towards me I'm beginning my own attack/dodge. In that same breath you are presumably making an attack which I can instantly identify.

 

Even normal swings are easy to spot, especially if you chain two attacks together, the style of the chained attacks is immediatley identifiable.

 

Okay so maybe I won't know what your stance is prior to the first attack, who cares. Any aggressive move you make will give it away and if there are specific counters I need to employ I can, because I rarely commit to a single plan of action early in the fight.. I would prefer to identify what your patterns are, first.

 

I begin all duels with red stance, so even if you do close to melee range I'll probably parry your attack because red's defences are unmatched.

 

> I switch because each of the stances saber

> swings are different and have their own

> advantages.

 

I disagree. Remove the special attacks and force powers, and red stance will come out on top, always.

 

Blue is ineffective except for hoping you get lucky in getting past the enemy's saber, which is a bad way to win a duel. Yellow is marginally better but red's improved range plus advanced defense piercing capability gives it the edge.

 

In other words: Blue is for people too unskilled to control their saber. Yellow is for people who haven't learned how to time red swings. Red is for people who will win.

[poomba]

heh, got it *all* figured out, do ya? while I agree that red definately does take more skill to master, that doesn't mean that as soon as one does so he should forgo the other stances. A truely good duelist will use whatever stance is most suited to countering his opponents style and will usually change stances many times during a fight. Sometimes it's just to throw his opponent off and sometimes it's to pull off a special, but there's no doubt that if you stick to one stance you're predictable.., and predictable = dead.

 

--poomba

[Xzzy]

So then in what situations will you use blue stance, without intending to use the lunge?

 

Or what do you see other people do that makes you use yellow? And what does yellow give you that another stance doesn't?

 

I'm not saying that staying on one stance is a good idea, just that red has such overwhelming advantages that expecting anything else to compare just seems silly.

[malinkie]

Red stance in the hands of an non-master can be dangerous as they can swing too early allowign you to get at least 2 hits in with blue or one with yellow before they even start their second swipe.

 

This also helps as if you change stances and attack too early it can still swing at red pace and then allow you to get a few more hits in.

 

Its hilarios seeing a strong stance crazy guy/gal swinging like crazy only to be dodged and hit again and again.

[leXX]

First you say you rarely commit to a plan of action early in a fight then you say I begin all duels with red stance...which is it?

 

Have you got a sixth sense? You must be superman or wonderwoman which ever the case may be. How the hell can you "instantly" identify which stance a person is in. If that were the case then you would have a counter for it the millisecond it took place and I very much doubt that.

 

What you are trying to say is that people who use blue and yellow are unskilled compared to that of people who use red. Um...no I don't think so. A skilled player uses all the stances in good combination as to outwit his/her opponents style. As poomba said...you stick to one style and you are very predictable.

 

What situations would you use blue and yellow, when speed is required, something which red never gives you.

 

I disagree. Remove the special attacks and force powers, and red stance will come out on top, always.

 

Special attacks and force powers are here to stay so that comment was a bit pointless really and even if it were the case, red would not come out top. It depends on the players skill.

 

You really do have it all figured out don't you. You must be unbeatable.

[Xzzy]

> First you say you rarely commit to a plan of action early in a

> fight then you say I begin all duels with red stance

 

Having a default stance does not equate to choosing a plan of action. It's well known that red stance has the strongest defense of any stance in the game so it makes sense to feel out how your opponent fights with red stance to maximize your chances to block attacks.

 

> How the hell can you "instantly" identify which stance a person

> is in.

 

Uh, it's quite easy. A person in red stance moves slowly. Not only does the saber move slow, but their run speed slows down when they press attack. That's a dead giveaway. Furthermore a skilled red stance player will begin their swing as they approach you, that's another giveaway. Almost all red stancers either DFA or use the right+attack swing as well, making it more obvious.

 

Blue is the lightning stance, if the saber moves very quickly well there's not many options for what stance it may be, is there? If they happen to go into a spin move that just confirms it. The overhead chop in blue stance is one of the easiest attacks to recognize.

 

Yellow is a little harder, can't really identify it directly (unless they do a chain attack), but by the process of elimination you can figure out what it is. The overhead chop is a tad slower than blue, and the left/right swings are much faster than red.

 

> A skilled player uses all the stances in good combination as to

> outwit his/her opponents style.

 

Feel free to submit some specific examples for what kind of attacks blue/yellow are more useful against than red. I'm not doubting you.. but no one has explained what exactly these stances do that red can't.

 

> Special attacks and force powers are here to stay so that

> comment was a bit pointless

 

Not really. I was trying to make my argument more specific so it would be easier to make my point. I know sure as day that force powers and specials are here to stay, my point wasn't to suggest that they will be removed.

 

But part of the scientific process involves removing the variables, and in the subject of debating the utility of the various stances, specials and force powers are variables.

 

> You must be unbeatable.

 

Not at all. If there was a huge jk2 ladder I'd probably be somewhere around the 50-60% mark. Sometimes I'm at the top of the fraglist, sometimes in the middle, and more often somewhere between the two.

 

My brain is a lot smarter than my fingers and even if I can analyze a situation that doesn't always mean I can get the results I want.

[leXX]

Well I could post a very long winded reply quoting various points etc etc etc but quite frankly I can't be arsed. Where would it get me? Nowhere fast. You are not going to change your mind and neither am I.

 

You think red stance is better and people who use blue and yellow lack skill, I disagree, let's leave it at that and end this thread on a friendly note.

[Xzzy]

No, I'm open to changing my opinion, but you (or someone else) is gonna have to submit some good evidence to support your claims.

 

You claim that "sometimes" blue and yellow stance are more effective than red, and all I want to hear is some good examples of when.

 

This is the third time I've asked this question now, so it means either you're just bluffing me, or you're not reading my posts.

 

It's a simple enough question isn'ti t? What do you see other players do that makes you change to some other stance?

[CoolJ]

lets' not flame ppl, if you wanna fight start an MP game

 

ok, for YOU the red stance is the best... can we just say that? ... for YOUR skill and your opinions it's the best.....some ppl have different strategies.. me.. i usually cycle between that and the yellow stance...

 

I used to use the blue stance but.. nah...

 

i'm always cycling stances based on my opponents attack strategies.. it's all in the timing.. it's not too hard to time the slower attacks which yield better damage, ...

 

well... basicly... to counter them you'd like to have a nice quick attack and get away before they hit you... so basicly..

 

a guy runs up to you... you attack ... raising up your saber he uses possibly a blue style to get an attack on you ... it's weak, does not kill you... even though he'll attack you first he'll still be open, and you swing downwards and possibly hit him in the face and knock him down to death or near death...

 

yes, that is a good style, but it's all situational... you might not have time to properly time attacks you might just need to attack in a ... newbie-ish if you want to call it.. fury ... if you attack in a slow style you'll lose a lot of damage...

 

well, i'm not saying you're not better than me, you'd probably kick my ass i'm a total newb... hehehe

[Xzzy]

I'm not flaming anyone, I'm just trying to ask some simple questions and get someone to sit down and explain in specifics why they think the light stances are valuable for anything more than spamming backstab.

 

So far the best anyone has come up with is to sneak in with a couple small hits while someone in red stance is in the middle of a swing. Which I can buy as valid, but a well timed red swing will accomplish much the same thing.

 

So it's not really a decisive advantage, but a different route to achieving the same effect.

[NwO_2k_Mutt]

Xzzy,

 

I have to disagree with you that blue is ineffective unless you lunge. I use blue almost all the time. I crouch alot and do a normal swing or spin swing. Also running towards someone and hitting the forward and left/right is a good little swing. It just requires timing. Oh and you dont have to spam moves either. I have beaten alot of heavy users with only the blue stance, it just a cool head and timing. Not saying that I am an outstanding player, but i hold my own

[NwO_2k_Mutt]

Xzzy,

 

I will show ya what I do sometime if you want, try to reach me on MSN Messanger to play a few rounds. It is NwO_2k_Mutt@hotmail.com to add me to your messanger contact list