Are the Star Wars movies getting progressively worse?

[Madmartigan]

Hi everyone, is it just me or are the new Episodes 1 and 2 shaming the origional Trilogy. In my opinion they are getting progressively worse as it seems that George Lucas is trying to appeal to our society with dazzling special effecrs, but providing us with lack luster story progression and horribly crafted characters! And while the Yoda fight scene was quite possibly the coolest thing that I have been blessed to see, I still liked Yoda as a swamp hoppin Muppet:syoda:! I enjoy watching the first trilogy much more now, and if it weren't for the Special Effects that George Lucas has so masterfully created in these recent titles, I would dismiss his latest efforts and give them a C at best. Now, they would have been a D if it weren't for the inclusion of Padme, so they score big points right there. Needless to say, I will always love Star Wars and even if the movies become cursed with badness until the final Episode, I will always consider the series the most magical and amazing group of movies that has graced this planet:naboo:

I wasn't around when the first trilogy was first released and I would like to know from any of you old bags out there over 30 if they were considered masterpieces as they are now. heck, maybe down the road these first 2 Episodes will actually be considered good! Well for now all I can hope for is another Ewok battle scene to hit the silver screen, and I'll just lye here and dream of bar fights, sand dunes, and big ugly slugs until the next movie. What do you think about the new Star Wars Movies? Are they the best that George Lucas can do in a society that demands sex in its entertainment and the latest visual fireworks? Oh, and another thing! The Star Wars Expanded Universe completely sucks in every possible way and I dare anyone to challenge my opinion!

Sincerely, Madmartigan

[thehomicidalegg]

while, in terms of plots, characters, and possibily enjoyment, the new trilogy isnt as good as the original, the fight scenes and special effects are alot better. Though, the storytelling is....not up to scratch, lucas now seemed too focused on explaining everything and parading all that he thought up in every scene.

 

However, i dont think the quality is declining every movie, its more of a zig zag pattern, i found AotC a much needed improvement on TPM, and hopefully, Ep3 will be better( especially noe that lucas probably has explained enough...)

[JrKASperov]

No, AotC is way better than TPM, in fact, it is starting to look like the original trilogy. The sixth film was the best IMO, and the fourth the worst in the original. Now I think Ep3 is going to be better than AotC and so makes the best of the second trilogy, while TPM being the worst...

 

And what are you guys whining about, it may be that TPM and AotC are worse than the others, they still are great movies:D

[ZBomber]

Its getting alittle worse, but I'll stick by Star Wars until I die.

[Guardian Omega]

Only thing I don't like about AOTC, Yoda was a mad jumping puppet on crack. It ruined that wise, calm image of him. Jumping like mad and using a charging style is more reckless and padawan-ish.

[Sivy]

no

[Psionic Jedi]

Anakin and Padme scenes.

 

BLEH!

[Lord_FinnSon]

No, movies aren't getting progressively worse, but instead fans are getting overdemanding when the "end" is near.

 

These discussions mostly cripe about TPM, so I ask you, have you lately watched it again? I already had it in fresh memory(because of owning the DVD copy) when I saw AOTC first time, but then I watched it again next day(a day after that I saw AOTC again). I did this intentionally, because I wanted to look if I had missed some clues that Lucas hided into TPM and what parts of it were explained in AOTC.

 

Still, the big picture is not complete yet and I have a strong feeling that Episode III will redeem TPM(and whole prequel trilogy) even more than AOTC already did, because there's still some parts of the story that haven't been explained, like how Qui-Gon Jinn really fits into this ghost-form-after-death thing and why Yoda(and Anakin) heard his voice, if he had truly become one with the Force? Then there's "little" characters like Aurra Sing who made their first appearance in TPM, but skipped AOTC and will now have more or less significant role in final episode; if popular, they give one more reason other than Darth Maul to keep watching TPM. Also, if Lucas really intends to include some familiar characters from original trilogy like he said there could possibly be, fine lines between these two trilogies will diminish even more.

 

Lastly, let's not totally forget upcoming DVD copies of original trilogy. Even though I have a feeling they will only be more enhanced versions of SE, Lucas may include those additional scenes he has been talking about in couple occasions and therefore connect these two trilogies together making whole saga complete. I didn't even mention what these movies will look and sound like after Lucas and his crew have finetuned the image quality, visual effects, sound and so on. If done with great care, all of this might free us to rewatch these older movies with fresh eyes.

[ZBomber]

Jar-Jar almost ruined TPM, But they saber fight at the end made up for it.

[Sivy]

Originally posted by ZBomber

Jar-Jar almost ruined TPM, But they saber fight at the end made up for it.

 

jar-jar is an important character is the plot, i don't see why people whine about him so much.

 

*edit* to the plot!

[Absurd]

People are getting more stupid and obnoxious.

 

Movies are being made to fit the greater audience.

[Darth Knight]

Originally posted by SivyB

 

jar-jar is an important character is the plot, i don't see why people whine about him so much.

 

yeah i agree

[acdcfanbill]

maybe its just all the whiny people who think the movies suck are the only ones people hear...

[Lunatic Jedi]

The series would be almost flawless were it not for one thing.

 

Take a guess, go ahead!

 

Okay, I'll give you a hint. It starts with a "Jar Jar," and it ends with a "Binks."

 

WHAT WAS GEORGE SMOKING WHEN HE CAME UP WITH THAT MOVIE-KILLER OF A CHARACTER?!

 

I would have preferred that a talking tennis ball named Ed that dangled from a string replace the Jar Jar character!

 

I think Jar Jar was George's attempt to add comedy relief to the movie. He ended up creating an amphibious clown. I think he tried to compensate for that by giving Jar Jar a more serious role in AotC. That seemed to backfire too, since Jar Jar now appears to be an idiot and a villain. He granted Palpatine emergency powers to create an army, which will later spawn a tyrannical and opressive empire that will slowly choke the life out of the galaxy for years.

 

Considering that, maybe we shouldn't blame George for the creation of Jar Jar. He probably created the character with good intentions, but made him too kiddy, then tried to make him serious, then made him look like a bad guy.

 

He just can't get a break, can he?

[Darth Groovy]

Unless they cast Kevin Costner or Ben Affleck........I don't see how that is possible. Tom Cruise too.

[Lord_FinnSon]

I think Jar Jar was George's attempt to add comedy relief to the movie. He ended up creating an amphibious clown. I think he tried to compensate for that by giving Jar Jar a more serious role in AotC. That seemed to backfire too, since Jar Jar now appears to be an idiot and a villain. He granted Palpatine emergency powers to create an army, which will later spawn a tyrannical and opressive empire that will slowly choke the life out of the galaxy for years.

Like it has been said many times before(and I a feeling that it will still be repeated over and over again after we have seen Episode III numerous times) Jar Jar is an important character in prequels. True, he might have been invented primarily to entertain younger watchers and I'm sure even George doesn't deny this(at least Ahmed Best doesn't deny it, but instead thinks he's very important for that agegroup), but without him, Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan wouldn't have found the bongo they needed to travel to Thead and without him, Queen and her guards couldn't have united with Gungans. Once again, he may be clumsy and even other characters(Qui-Gon, Obi-Wan and C-3PO) think he's weird, but at least he tries to help his friends; it would be easier, if you thought him as sort of Buster Keaton, because Lucas obviously based him on that slapstick hero of the classic silent movie era as he points out in the commentary track of TPM.

 

Then, when we get to AOTC, Jar Jar has a real reason to grant those emergency powers to Palpatine: without his decision his friends would have truly died. Of course at the same time that was the last remaining obstacle in the way of Palpatine and his rising Empire, but it doesn't make Jar Jar a villain. It makes him a tragic hero: because he was a pure hearted and Naboo's representative when Padme was away, he didn't have other choice, so you can't really blame him.

 

Now, if story follows a familiar path, I have a feeling Jar Jar tries to sincerely correct his "mistake" when all hell breaks loose in Episode III, but will probably die. Lando went originally through almost similar path of betrayal and redeem, but he survived(in original cut of RotJ though, Millenium Falcon blows up with Lando just when they leave The Death Star, but watchers in the advance screening did like it, so Lucas changed it). This time the end will most likely be much, much more darker as we already know almost all the Jedi will die as martyrs...