leXX Posted September 30, 2002 Share Posted September 30, 2002 Originally posted by MaTT[-FcG-] He kicked Darth maul's ass didn't he? If you call one lucky hit kicking his a$$ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Kaan Posted September 30, 2002 Share Posted September 30, 2002 Originally posted by Ratmjedi Actually Mace would kick Dooku's ass! Mace used a Diffrent type of form than any other Jedi or Sith. It was a more aggresive type and was very close to tapping to the Dark Side. That was why no one had used it before. So Mace and Dooku would be about equal. Mace was also not tapping the Dark Side. He was also younger and as strong as Dooku so Mace would kick his ass. Mace uses form 7 to be exact. The seven forms were just explained in the Star Wars Insider magazine which is btw a licensed magazine release eight times a year by LEC. So you say Mace is close to tapping the darkside, but yet is not actually tapping into it. Hmm...interesting. If Yoda could not kill him (and he had plenty of time to do so if he was really better than Tyrannus), I mean it was a standoff, Tyrannus never got a scratch from the whole hanger battle, then that must mean in your mind Mace could defeat Yoda, who could do no better than a draw... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purple_Tentacle Posted September 30, 2002 Share Posted September 30, 2002 i've put some thought into this and i think that mace could beat yoda. providing neither had fallen to the darkside. without the rage and hate behind dooku he may have been a better opponent for yoda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediNyt Posted September 30, 2002 Share Posted September 30, 2002 Right the Dark side is not more powerful. I dont know why people keep thinking that ****. Maul Beat Qui cause Quis age was getting to him. Qui was pounding Maul before he got tired. Plus Maul had two blades so his moves were faster. Tyranus beat Obi and Ani cause he was a great master! Obi and Ani were not masters which is why Obi wanted to go 2 on 1. Yoda didnt waste Tyranus partly cause he wanted him alive to interogate him probably and cause Tyranus ran away. Vader killed Obi cause Obi let him. Vader beat Luke cause Luke was just a little inexperienced padawan. So you see there are perfectly reasonable explainations that are right in your face for the bad guys "winning" here. The Dark side is NOT the better. Someone said earlier that Sith and Dark Jedi lightsabers are more intense so theyre more powerful blades for fighting? Sounds kinda wierd but if thats canon then it just goes to show how the bad guys cheat perhaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Count Tyranus Posted September 30, 2002 Share Posted September 30, 2002 Everyone seems to have the notion that Mace Windu is a great Jedi: he is rubbish! 1: Trouble defeating a simple bounty hunter. 2: No match for Yoda. The duel would be over in seconds, and Mace Windu would be dead on the floor. 3: No match for Count Dooku/Darth Tyranus. If Dooku can hold his own against Yoda, then defeating Mace would be easy. Plus, the Dark Side is stronger. The only truly amazing Jedi Master is Yoda, and even he had trouble in taking on Count Dooku and winning straight away. Mace Windu is nothing special, and I would rank him amoungst Jedi such as Kit Fisto, Plo Koon (ET Warrior, I must say your choice of favourite Jedi is... well, you could do better) and Ki-Adi Mundi. Count Dooku has seen the best of both worlds. Serving as a Jedi, he learned about their deepest secrets and teaching himself about healing techniques. Carrying some of his skills over to the Dark Side, and developing several new one's like Lightning, Dooku has become the only Sith Lord to single-handedly wipe the floor with two Jedi Knights, take on the most powerful being in the galaxy and escape without a scratch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediNyt Posted September 30, 2002 Share Posted September 30, 2002 Oh for crying out loud! Yoda said the Dark side was not stronger which is what George wrote so that means the Dark side is NOT stronger. You think George has it wrong? Yousa in big doodoo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Kaan Posted September 30, 2002 Share Posted September 30, 2002 Originally posted by Purple_Tentacle i've put some thought into this and i think that mace could beat yoda. providing neither had fallen to the darkside. without the rage and hate behind dooku he may have been a better opponent for yoda. Huh? What rage, you did see EP2...right? Dooku was very calm and confident during ALL the fighting that took place in the hanger. He spanked Obi-wan and Anakin. He let them live instead of killing them. Yoda shows up and he calmly duels him as well. Remember he WAS a Jedi Master and is now powerful in the Darkside. I found his calmness and confidence different from most and to be something to take note of... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Count Tyranus Posted September 30, 2002 Share Posted September 30, 2002 Whe I say the Dark Side of the Force is stronger, I mean in the terms of: "Force Lightning is a draining energy which would kill any normal man. The Jedi Knights have no such equivalent to this powerful use of the Force." In terms of how easy it is to wipe out, to destroy, to eliminate, I wuold say that the Dark Side of the Force is much stronger than the Light. In this world, you have to be cold, brash and evil to progress. It's no use being nice, so the Dark Side is the way forward. Plus, I would much rather have the Dark Side than the Light. A question: "What would you prefer: the ability to strike out with Dark Side Lightning and destroy your boss when he tells you that your work is taking a slide, or persuade him that you are not there and hide under your desk?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Kaan Posted September 30, 2002 Share Posted September 30, 2002 The darkside is aggresive by nature, the light side more passive. Dooku/Tyranus has apparently mastered both. The point I am trying to make is that his skills were not bested and he stayed very calm while being confident. Who else in the SW Universe have faced their old Master that calmly? Just think about that for a few min's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratmjedi Posted October 1, 2002 Share Posted October 1, 2002 We all know that after Yoda sent Dooku's lightining back at him Dooku was thinking like this. *Oh *hit I'm going to die! Oh *hit I'm going to die* *Which way did he go george, Which way did he go?* After Yoda and Dooku had a little chat, Dooku knew that Yoda was just toying with him. That is why he left instead of toying around with Obi-Wan and Anakin a little more. You also say that Dooku left without a scratch. Didn't Yoda leave without a scratch too? I just think that Dooku's bark is louder than his bite. He's to over rated in my opinion. He couldn't keep himself from following the Dark path. Mace and Yoda were very strong since they did not fall tword's the Dark side. Espicially Mace since he was using a stance that was very close to coming to the Dark Side and still resisting and not giving in. It just shows that Mace has a lot of restraint and slef-discipline. As for him taking on Jango he knew what he was doing. Dooku was to afraid to stick around and actually go into battle like Mace did. Just my $0.02 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purple_Tentacle Posted October 1, 2002 Share Posted October 1, 2002 quote myself "i've put some thought into this and i think that mace could beat yoda. providing neither had fallen to the darkside" what i ment by this is that the dark side would make an opponant WEAKER, not stronger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Kaan Posted October 1, 2002 Share Posted October 1, 2002 Originally posted by Ratmjedi We all know that after Yoda sent Dooku's lightining back at him Dooku was thinking like this. *Oh *hit I'm going to die! Oh *hit I'm going to die* *Which way did he go george, Which way did he go?* After Yoda and Dooku had a little chat, Dooku knew that Yoda was just toying with him. That is why he left instead of toying around with Obi-Wan and Anakin a little more. You also say that Dooku left without a scratch. Didn't Yoda leave without a scratch too? I just think that Dooku's bark is louder than his bite. He's to over rated in my opinion. He couldn't keep himself from following the Dark path. Mace and Yoda were very strong since they did not fall tword's the Dark side. Espicially Mace since he was using a stance that was very close to coming to the Dark Side and still resisting and not giving in. It just shows that Mace has a lot of restraint and slef-discipline. As for him taking on Jango he knew what he was doing. Dooku was to afraid to stick around and actually go into battle like Mace did. Just my $0.02 Fact: Dooku stayed calm through the whole battle in the hanger. Fact: He chose to huRt obi wan and Anakin not kill them. Fact: He hung around long enough to do what he was sent to do. Your opinion is based on what you think he was thinking and your opinion of him. Not on what happened. I think his calmness was a BIG HINT about something specific. Think about that elementary point or continue to ignore it, your choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sivy Posted October 2, 2002 Share Posted October 2, 2002 i don't think obi-wan got lucky with maul (to quote the man himself 'in my experience there's no such thing as luck'), i think obi-wan was out-duelling maul and that's way he had to force-push (a cheap shot). i don't think that obi-wan ever showed any signs that he was stuggling against maul. as far as i'm concerned obi-wan kicked maul's arse, this is my opinion and that i what i think every time i watch TPM As for as dooku’s calmness, I think it’s more arrogance, a problem that all sith suffer from and jedi come to mention it. Let’s face it dooku will be killed in Ep III and it will most likely be by a jedi, be it yoda, anakin or obi-wan or even mace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Kaan Posted October 2, 2002 Share Posted October 2, 2002 Okay, bottom line, Obi Wan cut MAUL in half killing him after Qui gon wore him down, after he fought them both for a while before that. So I guess 2 on 1, then after he gets mad at watching his master die, Obi Won can let his anger take over and actually win a duel. I concede this debate. "As for as dooku’s calmness, I think it’s more arrogance..." Maybe, but still very calm arrogance. Unlike Anakins anger induced rushing in and get toyed with, then get my arm cut off arrogance. Seems to be a lot of Jedi giving into anger huh? Once again a Sith is outnumbered. This time he beats both the jedi, then enters a third to give it a go...Yoda. If Yoda is so good, why did'nt he kill Dooku, or even put a scratch on him? Probably for the same reason Dooku did'nt kill Obi Wan or Anakin (in this case because sideous wanted him alive) or put a scratch on Yoda. I think Dooku will survive in EPIII, the Jedi's best couldnt manage to scratch him let alone kill him in EPII. He is an interum apprentice working for his own cause, not sideous, not the sith and certainly not the Jedi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purple_Tentacle Posted October 2, 2002 Share Posted October 2, 2002 dooku was about to kill obi-wan when anakin jumped in ! he may be good but these are trained jedi who dont die so easy. he forced obiwan to the ground then was swinging to KILL him when anakin jumped up and saved obi. so i dunno where you get this 'dooku didnt want to kill them' business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Kaan Posted October 2, 2002 Share Posted October 2, 2002 Okay, so all the Yoda lovers and Dooku haters cant see the forrest for the trees. If Dooku wanted to kill them they would be dead. He spanked them both like children (another example of 2 jedi vs one sith) and Yoda could not touch him (a third giving it a go). EPIII is on the way... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purple_Tentacle Posted October 2, 2002 Share Posted October 2, 2002 dooku owned obi and anakin, but he didn't kill them because he couldn't kill them, he was trying and winning. and if yoda hadn't have come in when he did they'd be sith-kebabs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Vader 421 Posted October 2, 2002 Share Posted October 2, 2002 Count Dooku/Darth Tyranus is the Master of the Geonosis Duel. The only person capable of defeating him in a Lightsaber duel is Lord Darth Vader (when he had turned to the Dark Side: I know Anakin was defeated by Dooku), because Vader is the saviour of the galaxy, master of the Force and the greatest Sith Lord ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediNyt Posted October 2, 2002 Share Posted October 2, 2002 WTF is wrong with you people? The Dark Side is NOT stronger! Yoda said it! George said it! DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The Dark side is the quik and easy path. Mastering the Dark side is faster cause its easier! It doesnt require as much discapline. It is used for power and offense! The Light side is used for knowledge and defense! "If you choose the quik and easy path as Vader did you will become an agent of evil." Dooku is arrogant as hell! Hes powerful yes. Hes a master. He has great offensive power but at a great cost. "Once you start down the Dark path forever will it dominate your destiny." "Vader was seduced by the Dark side of the Force" Seduced by its power. It looks so cool to have. The lightning, the grip, the power, the confidence! How cool does that look?! But looks can be deceiving. "Your eyes can deceive you dont trust them." Dooku found raw seducing power in the Dark cause he was not strong enough to resist the Dark. Many of you have been seduced by the Dark side and I myself have trouble with the same thing but I know whats truly right and wrong in this case. The Dark leads to destruction, the Light leads to properity. Now I may sound like Im freakin religious right now but Im actually athiest. As I said before Dooku beat Obi and Ani cause HE IS A MASTER! Obi is a Knight, Ani is a Padawan, Dooku is a master. Dooku did NOT fight them at the same time. If he did hed have a harder time. Yoda had no problem with Dooku. "Much to learn you still have.":yoda: I think Yoda didnt kill Dooku cause he wanted him alive for capture, interrogation, and maybe turning him back to the Light. Makes sense. If Yoda wanted Dooku dead he would have made it so. Dooku fought well yes. "Fought well you have my old Padawan." Dooku ran cause he knew he could not offord to stay any longer for fear of capture or death. The new found power in the Dark can give one an instant edge in certain situations but it wont save you in the long run. Once you truly master the Light the Dark is nothing. So hows this senario: Your boss is gonna fire you for slipping in your work is it better to A: Fry him with lightning and become a pubic enemy and a fugitive or B: Convince him you should be promoted to President? But I do think its useful to have a little Dark with a good base of Light. Yoda and the council may be little too up tight about the Dark. I personally would want to have the best of both but not to the point of becoming evil as Dooku did. He went too far and it will all cost him his life in ep3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purple_Tentacle Posted October 3, 2002 Share Posted October 3, 2002 i too believe that the dark side of the force is weaker, but remember that dooku was a jedi master before he turned to the dark side. he cannot be used as an example of what the darkside is, because he is such a hybrid. i understand palpatines motivations for creating the war, but what is dooku's motivation for helping.....if obi wan had joined dooku would dooku have tried to defeat palpatine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediNyt Posted October 3, 2002 Share Posted October 3, 2002 No Dooku is evil and hes working for Palpatine. Dooku: The Force is with us master. Palpatine: Welcome home Lord Tyranus. Dooku: I have good news my Lord, the war has begun. Palpatine: Excellent. Everything is going as planned. Dooku is a Sith. His title is Darth Tyranus. He is Sidious's newest apprentice since Maul. Count Dooku/Darth Tyranus is a bad guy and will most likely be killed by Ani to take his place at Sidious side. Which would mirror Lukes temptation to do the same later. Makes perfect sense. Its a fact Dooku is evil. Maybe he has some of his own plans for the future but that doesnt really matter right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Vader 421 Posted October 5, 2002 Share Posted October 5, 2002 You are all wrong. The dark side of the Force is the much better side, giving all those who embrace it the power to do as they wish. Crush entire worlds into submission, choke life from puny weaklings and ultimately destroy the weak Jedi Knights, ruling over the galaxy with a stranglehold on all lifeforms: a stranglehold of fear. After all, fear is the greatest weapon of all. Why do you think the best Star Wars films have been "The Empire Strikes Back" and "Attack of the Clones"? Because evil emerges victorious! OK, maybe "Attack of the Clones" was a more balanced victory: the Republic did drive Count Dooku's forces into hiding, but the Sith plans were swung into motion, allowing for the greatest episode yet: III. Episode III will be the best film for a very simple reason: the bad guys take over the galaxy, wiping out all but two Jedi Knights and grasping victory in their fist. The Clonetroopers will become the tools of evil, the greatest Jedi ever will be forced into running away and Anakin Skywalker, the chosen one, will turn to the more powerful side of the Force: The Dark Side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthMuffin Posted October 15, 2002 Share Posted October 15, 2002 We all know that Dooku is the best (Dooku fan here). Even if Yoda MAYBE had an advantage, Dooku had previously kicked Ani's and Obi's ass before and he could, possibly, be tired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckcsaber Posted October 15, 2002 Share Posted October 15, 2002 Hes not that powerful. Anyways he's probably going to die in EP3 or go into hiding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexcellent Posted October 16, 2002 Share Posted October 16, 2002 Originally posted by Count Tyranus Everyone seems to have the notion that Mace Windu is a great Jedi: he is rubbish! hmmm, i was under the impression Yoda is #1 and Mace is #2 all the rest is easily disputable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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