Darth Vader 421 Posted October 6, 2002 Share Posted October 6, 2002 Reading my Star Wars novel, I came across something interesting: In Return of the Jedi, Obi-Wan Kenobi was meant to talk to Luke longer about what happened when he separated the twins. In my novel, Obi-Wan says: "I gave you to my brother, Owen, on Tatooine, and sent Leia to Alderaan." In Attack of the Clones, however, Owen is the son of Cliegg Lars, who is married to Anakin's mother, Shmi. This makes Owen Luke's uncle, and Luke does refer to Own as "Uncle Owen" in A New Hope. Now, if the novel speaks the truth, then Obi-Wan's father is Cliegg Lars: impossible. How can Obi-Wan be the brother of Owen? Either this is a massive mistake, or there is one big plot revelation to come, making Obi-Wan Kenobi a relation to the Skywalker family! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Covenant Posted October 6, 2002 Share Posted October 6, 2002 you make a good point there, by no way is cliegg lars obi wans father, if obi was a few years yonger maybe but he is far too old. my conclusion OBI IS A STINKING LIAR ! either that or his view on life is different to everyone elses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weapon X Posted October 6, 2002 Share Posted October 6, 2002 OR MAYBE, the books hold nothing to the movie, one book says anakin fell into a "molten pit" but as we see in ROTJ that can't happen, so just remember that the books aren't always what truly happens in the SW universe, the movies are, books mean nothing when a movie of SW is involved Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sivy Posted October 6, 2002 Share Posted October 6, 2002 the star wars book was ghost written Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratmjedi Posted October 6, 2002 Share Posted October 6, 2002 One word *Cannon* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bh Jodo Kast Posted October 6, 2002 Share Posted October 6, 2002 Or, 'Canon' too works. This goes both ways. Boba Fett was shown flying into the Sarlacc's stomach in ROTJ. This does not mean he's dead, that means as far as we know he is in there. The book 'Mandalorian Armor' tells what happens afterward, and the movie works - it's not like we see Boba Fett get decapitated like Jango Fett! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taos Posted October 7, 2002 Share Posted October 7, 2002 sounds an aweful lot like EU to me......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratmjedi Posted October 7, 2002 Share Posted October 7, 2002 My point exactly. Don't get me wrong. I love EU but I do not like the EU that conflicts with the movies. And since it does conflict with the movies I do not agree with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Vader 421 Posted October 7, 2002 Author Share Posted October 7, 2002 My book isn't EU, though... the title is "Return of the Jedi", and the author is George Lucas! The fact that it was left out of the movie, though (Obi-Wan going on to explain about Leia) tells me that George Lucas wasn't happy with this version of the story, and re-wrote it for the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratmjedi Posted October 8, 2002 Share Posted October 8, 2002 But when it comes to Cannon the films go over everything including the books. Besides we all know that the Return of the Jedi book was not written by GL. He influenced it but did not write it. Some other guy wrote it for him. The only book that GL wrote was A New Hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi_Monk Posted October 8, 2002 Share Posted October 8, 2002 My, my... so much disinformation, so little time... I was just thinking to myself the other day that it's been a long time since I've gotten into a nice EU-bashing thread (yes, I actually was thinking that... I know, I know... pathetic ). But enough about me, let's talk about the EU! First of all, ep2 Anakin is correct, the movies and only the movies are canon, with the novelizations and the radio dramas just behind, but they are still apocryphal. The movies supersede everything else with the Star Wars franchise name, including the novelizations, and one novelizations has one of the biggest and most obvious discrepancies in the entire EU. Yes, I speak of the Return of the Jedi novelization! Now, the Return of the Jedi novelization is written by James Kahn, not George Lucas (I know this because I got the book out of my room and now have it sitting right next to me). The Return of the Jedi script was written by Lawrence Kasdan and George Lucas. I must remind everyone at this point that Star Wars is Lucas' baby, and he has executive produced all of the movies. The director and script writers cannot do the littlest thing without Lucas' approval. He's on set every day, he approves everything in the script and he sees the raw special effects as they come out of ILM. There's nothing about any of the SW movies that does not go through Lucas first. However, one of the reasons why only the movies are canon is that Star Wars, in Lucas' mind, is ever evolving. I'm sure that this bit of dialogue from the novelization was in the original script. But the only things that matter, that are uncontradictable, are on film (and even then, George tinkers years after the fact... think the SEs). This is one of those instances of George changing his mind, of the story evolving. The story then (1983) was the Anakin falls into lava and Obi-Wan is Owen's brother. The story now, in 2002, is that Owen is Anakin's step-brother (making him Luke's uncle in actuality), and we don't know what will happen to Anakin, but this is where I'm expecting the plot to twist from what we think we know in SW3. Furthermore, Star Wars: From the Adventures of Luke Skywalker (the novelization of ANH) was not written by George Lucas. Yes, I know Lucas gets writing credits on the cover, but it was actually ghost-written by Alan Dean Foster, author of Splinter of the Mind's Eye. Do not let the EU enter into your mind when making theories that concern the movies, because more often than not, the just plain do not fit. The movies are what "really" happens in the Star Wars universe, all other sources are either myths or heresay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taos Posted October 8, 2002 Share Posted October 8, 2002 When Jedi_Monk speaks........I listen! You all should too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratmjedi Posted October 8, 2002 Share Posted October 8, 2002 Even though one of my point's were wrong Jedi_Monk basically straightened out everything. This man does know everything. And he know's everything about Eu and Cannon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Vader 421 Posted October 8, 2002 Author Share Posted October 8, 2002 Bloody hell, I was only raising a point I had read... Jesus Christ, no need to explode in a shower of flame and information! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taos Posted October 8, 2002 Share Posted October 8, 2002 Hey, don't take it so personal.........he/we are just trying to help educate you about the SW universe. I don't know about you, but I'm trying to learn as much as I can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratmjedi Posted October 9, 2002 Share Posted October 9, 2002 It happened to me when I was still in my double digits of posting. We just like the set the story straight that's all. We've seen a lot of these post's and we know the fact's a little more than you do probally. We have seen many of these post's get chewed to death but we just like to make sure that you guy's know is we're just brining up point's and view's. It happened to all of us when we were in the double digit's of posting so don't take it personally. Have a bucket of popcorn on me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Vader 421 Posted October 9, 2002 Author Share Posted October 9, 2002 I'm Darth Vader, I take everything personally. However, I do feel that you have made a terrible mistake: I do not need education on the Star Wars universe! Simply because I mentioned that George Lucas wrote the Return of the Jedi novel (I got mixed up: on the cover it says "Written by James Kahn, Screenplay by George Lucas"), you people think you need to give me speeches, lectures and life stories about Star Wars: forget it! Not many things anger me, but people who think I need education on Star Wars makes my blood boil! Go preach to some three-year-old Jar-Jar Binks fan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taos Posted October 13, 2002 Share Posted October 13, 2002 ....... we are only trying to help you man.....we're all here because of our love for Star Wars, so don't get all upset at us..... So in this instance, I guess, we will agree to disagree.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratmjedi Posted October 14, 2002 Share Posted October 14, 2002 I think you should delete one of youre same post's man. There's an edit button you know lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taos Posted October 14, 2002 Share Posted October 14, 2002 oooooppppppsss, I went to edit it and well.....you know.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratmjedi Posted October 14, 2002 Share Posted October 14, 2002 Good thing man. I was just messing about the post. It's not like anyone would notice here. PM E T would yah. I only post here and the Swamp so it does look like you will pass me up soon enough. Like 90% of my post's are at the swamp. The rest are here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taos Posted October 14, 2002 Share Posted October 14, 2002 I know ya were.. The rolleyes was for my screw up. Not for anything you said. Accidents happen......I'll pm him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratmjedi Posted October 14, 2002 Share Posted October 14, 2002 I know man. I've been wondering what happened to him cause it's been so long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted October 15, 2002 Share Posted October 15, 2002 Ahhh, my memory is failing me tonight, but wasn't darth vader 421 one of holo-sid's old accounts? IF so, that would explain why he's so easily irritated, holo-sid was always an angry dude......if not, i appologize if you feel slighted Vader..... Crazy this debate is, already known to me that RotJ novelization is suck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taos Posted October 15, 2002 Share Posted October 15, 2002 Originally posted by ET Warrior Ahhh, my memory is failing me tonight, but wasn't darth vader 421 one of holo-sid's old accounts? IF so, that would explain why he's so easily irritated, holo-sid was always an angry dude......if not, i appologize if you feel slighted Vader..... Crazy this debate is, already known to me that RotJ novelization is suck AAAAHhhhhhhhhh............it's all starting to make sense to me now. Thanks ET for your information.........if this is true, it really explains a lot. Halo-Sid, the person with the 6 different accounts that said they were leaving LF but never really left??? I think there is a couple names that have to do with 007 as well......hhmmm.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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