C'jais Posted October 20, 2002 Posted October 20, 2002 The article below reveals some interesting things about people's general opinion on rape and murder in the states, not to mention the laws POV too. Personally, I think murder is far worse than rape - but then again, I've never been raped OR murdered (though I had a friend who died, and a friend's friend who got shot). Your mature opinions please. http://www.guardian.co.uk/weekend/story/0,3605,799312,00.html
Jah Warrior Posted October 20, 2002 Posted October 20, 2002 murder:- life in prison, no parole, no release ever. rape:- life in prison, no parole, no release ever. nuff said
Darklighter Posted October 20, 2002 Posted October 20, 2002 I think rape is worse than murder...I know that at first it would not seem like it, but consider the effect that rape has on the psychy of a person: with murder, the life is lost forever, and the people who deal with the pain are the victim's loved ones and close relations. Rape is very different. The victim is condemned to live with the experience for the rest of their lives. I know they are alive, but they will certainly not be well: they most likely will never be the same person again.
C'jais Posted October 20, 2002 Author Posted October 20, 2002 Yes, you're both right IMO. Another thing worth noticing: In computer games, designers can get away with showing mutilation, cold-blooded murder and torture.... but sex and rape? NO F'KIN WAY! Why? Is it such that a 13 year old kid can "grip" a helpless ugnaught, but it's taboo to show Kyle and Jan do their thing? Recently though, I've seen games with sex and love as a theme (Baldurs gate 2 and the Sims, fx) and I hope that this trend continues as such.
Madjai Posted October 20, 2002 Posted October 20, 2002 yea id consider rape worse than murder for the reasons stated by Darklighter, and i also agree that both should have the highest punishment (in canada that is, no capital punishment here) of life in prison, no parole no release.
Tyrion Posted October 20, 2002 Posted October 20, 2002 Murder is far worse than rape. Sure you will feel horrible after a rape,but you can always kill yourself if that happens,which means it is as bad as murder. I value the human life over the human phyche.
ckcsaber Posted October 20, 2002 Posted October 20, 2002 I'm going with Tyrion. With murder the victim is dead. With rape the victim can go on with their life
Luc Solar Posted October 20, 2002 Posted October 20, 2002 There are a few other things to consider as well. * What if he/she "didn't do it"? Life in prison, no parole, no release ever? Sounds kinda cruel. Sounds like no-one should be condemned unless his guilt is 100% certain. When someone gets raped, the story is usually this: In court: She: He raped me! He: No I didn't. She: Did too! He: Umm...did not. She: Did too! He: Okay, we had sex, but it was all her idea! She got me drunk and took me to her place. She wanted it! She: Did not! He: Did too! Judge: I hereby condemn you to life in prison, no parole, no release ever you filthy rapist you! Judge: Oh and btw. --> one day in prison costs the tax payers 500 $. That makes the total cost of this sentence 11.862.500 $ (500 x 365 x 65 years). ...let the debate continue... Ps. Oh yeah...my opinion: murder is worse. Pps. some guy here got a few years knocked off his sentence 'cause the rape lasted for such a short time (a.k.a "quicky-rape"). Who said premature ejaculation is a bad thing?? LoL!
Breton Posted October 20, 2002 Posted October 20, 2002 Murder is far worse than rape. Sure, rape can change the victims life, but it is better to have a changed life than not having a life at all. Also, murder will really be a pain to all the relatives and friends of the murdered. This may be the worst thing about murder, all the people who have lost a loved one.
C'jais Posted October 20, 2002 Author Posted October 20, 2002 Yeah, when someone is raped, at least they a *chance* to resume their normal lives, and the friends of the victim aren't as affected. With murder, the victim is lost forever - no chance of bringing him/her back to life. ...And murder victims can't defend themselves in court, while rape victims can severely affect the judge's opinions.
Guardian Omega Posted October 20, 2002 Posted October 20, 2002 Murder, a life is worth more than the human mind to me. With rape, you got supporters. With murder, you got crying family members.......Rape can be recovered from, while murder cannot..... Plus on the LUE board in gamefaqs, people in my opinion REALLY act as rape is the devil's crime! (They justified torture to the rapist anyway.........)Not that he probably deserved it mind you, but it kinda scares me that the fact they immediately justified it.....
StormHammer Posted October 20, 2002 Posted October 20, 2002 From my POV, life is the most precious gift above all other things. What are we without life? Nothing. So I'd have to say the taking of life is the most heinous crime. As others have stated, a person (male or female) can often eventually recover from a rape, and continue with their life, and still contribute to society, and perhaps achieve something that may not have been achieved. It's still a terrible crime, and it's right that it should carry a weighty punishment. If someone's life is taken prematurely, that individual's light in the world is forever snuffed out. It's a shame that in some countries, a life sentence doesn't actually mean life, but only 25-30 years behind bars. I also agree that the evidence against the accused should be compelling...but at least if someone serves a prison sentence and are later found innocent due to new evidence, that person can be released.
Darklighter Posted October 20, 2002 Posted October 20, 2002 Originally posted by StormHammer It's a shame that in some countries, a life sentence doesn't actually mean life, but only 25-30 years behind bars. That is one of the many reservations I have of political punishment in my country. I feel that the sentance 'life' should be literal, for both rape and murder. Though one may be considered worse than the other, they should both result in the same punishment for the accused.
JandoFett1842 Posted October 20, 2002 Posted October 20, 2002 That artcl was pubished in England right? Murder is in my opinons worse than rape, Murder takes the life of human, which can never be returend Rape is also really bad, but it doesnt take away the life of soemoee, ive known 3 girls who have been raped, but they will cray that baggage the rest of there life, that they were sexualy harssed by someone, and unwanted and will always feal unluved, but rape is still not as bad as murder
Clem Posted October 20, 2002 Posted October 20, 2002 Whats the point of living if your so mentally scarred u can no longer enjoy it?
Darklighter Posted October 20, 2002 Posted October 20, 2002 Originally posted by Darth Clem Whats the point of living if your so mentally scarred u can no longer enjoy it? My point exactly. Rape is worse, I would not be surprised if a lot of rape victims commited suicide. The thought of people so mentally effected and traumatised by it that they are never the same person again, it's just horrible:(
Clem Posted October 20, 2002 Posted October 20, 2002 some murders are worse in a way Someone who is physically and mentally tortured be4 theyre slowly and painfully killed ... for example is worse whereas being shot in the head from behind is not as bad as rape its gotta be viewed case by case as should punishment
Tyrion Posted October 21, 2002 Posted October 21, 2002 Originally posted by Darth Clem Whats the point of living if your so mentally scarred u can no longer enjoy it? Well, then wouldnt you kill yourself? So doesnt that mean it'll end up as bad as murder,except with the choice of living or not? Besides, you always can recover from rape, as far as I know you cant recover from death...
Darklighter Posted October 21, 2002 Posted October 21, 2002 Originally posted by Tyrion Besides, you always can recover from rape, as far as I know you cant recover from death... You mean to say that you personally know that everyone can recover from rape? That is just so generalised. IMO, there are no degrees of murder or rape as far as morality is concerned. What's done is done. And ppl evidently accused of murder or rape should be locked away, not for 25-30 years, but for life.
Tyrion Posted October 21, 2002 Posted October 21, 2002 Originally posted by Darklighter You mean to say that you personally know that everyone can recover from rape? That is just so generalised. IMO, there are no degrees of murder or rape as far as morality is concerned. What's done is done. And ppl evidently accused of murder or rape should be locked away, not for 25-30 years, but for life. Yes people can recover. Not big or back to normal, but they cant recover. You cant recover,nor live even if ya are killed.
Guest Jed Posted October 21, 2002 Posted October 21, 2002 Darky, I'm with you all the way, both should be condemnable by life in prison. I mean, let's say a man shoots someone in cold blood. He's a murderer. He's taken away the life of someone, and he should have his taken away too. Personally, I think that they should either rot in a cold, dark (no light what-so-ever) cell and die, nothing being provided to them. Or bring out the old Hammurabi Code, eye for an eye, bullet in the head for a bullet in the head. Now let's say a woman walks down a street and gets raped. Regardless of whether he kills her after he's done, he's also become a murderer. He's taken away some life from someone, the life she would've led if she hadn't been raped. So he deserves the same punishment. Whack his nuts off while he's alive and stick a hot rod up his ass. Then let him rot and die. Personally, I know many do not agree with me, but for some crimes, capital punishment is alright. Capital punishment is legal for 1st Degree Murders in most parts of the US, and it should be with rape and other crimes like it. And parole for these sickos isn't right either. Parole, in general, isn't right at all for those kinds of crimes. For a robbery, sure, give him parole, go ahead, but for rape or murder? Hell no.
Tyrion Posted October 21, 2002 Posted October 21, 2002 Originally posted by Jedi220 Darky, I'm with you all the way, both should be condemnable by life in prison. I mean, let's say a man shoots someone in cold blood. He's a murderer. He's taken away the life of someone, and he should have his taken away too. Personally, I think that they should either rot in a cold, dark (no light what-so-ever) cell and die, nothing being provided to them. Or bring out the old Hammurabi Code, eye for an eye, bullet in the head for a bullet in the head. Now let's say a woman walks down a street and gets raped. Regardless of whether he kills her after he's done, he's also become a murderer. He's taken away some life from someone, the life she would've led if she hadn't been raped. So he deserves the same punishment. Whack his nuts off while he's alive and stick a hot rod up his ass. Then let him rot and die. Personally, I know many do not agree with me, but for some crimes, capital punishment is alright. Capital punishment is legal for 1st Degree Murders in most parts of the US, and it should be with rape and other crimes like it. And parole for these sickos isn't right either. Parole, in general, isn't right at all for those kinds of crimes. For a robbery, sure, give him parole, go ahead, but for rape or murder? Hell no. this is what I think should happen. Murder- get's beat up every week by wreastlers Raper- Give him majuwana laced with acid every week. Not too harsh...
Guest Jed Posted October 21, 2002 Posted October 21, 2002 I've been known to be a little harsh. But I'm glad ppl agree with me.
obi Posted October 21, 2002 Posted October 21, 2002 To me, Crime or hate is all the same. What makes Rape worse then Murder, or murder worse then rape? What makes An armed robbery better then an unarmed one? etc. If people would stop being jackasses, we would not even be having this dicussion right now. Unfortunatly, The stubberness of manking will not be gone any time soon. Though I see us maybe one day reaching this goal, not everyone does. They let Greed and lust blind them.
Guest Jed Posted October 21, 2002 Posted October 21, 2002 I know what you mean obi, but does it make sense to sentence someone to life in prison cuz they shoplifted? But with the crime and hate being the same, I agree with you there.
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