00M-187 Posted October 24, 2002 Share Posted October 24, 2002 Who would win??? I think this is a pretty Even match. Considering Luke was able to 0wn Vader with minimal training. I think Luke would win. What do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi_Monk Posted October 24, 2002 Share Posted October 24, 2002 Who would win??? I think this is a pretty Even match. Considering Luke was able to 0wn Vader with minimal training. ...Own Vader...? No. Vader wanted Luke turned to the Dark Side, we never, in the original trillogy, saw Vader actually trying to kill Luke in a lightsaber duel. Vader was always going easy on Luke. And when Luke had Vader on the defensive, Luke had gone all Dark Side Psychotic--he was using Rage, man. Darth Maul would not go easy on Luke. Darth Maul has been training constantly with a lightsaber for more than twenty years. Darth Maul uses a double bladed lightsaber. Bye, bye, Luke :wave: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lionen Posted October 24, 2002 Share Posted October 24, 2002 Yep, even though i am not a fan of Darth Maul, i think that Maul would win it pretty easy... Luke is not a real Jedi in RotJ. At least, he would't survive long in a real duel against a sith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holo-Sidious Posted October 24, 2002 Share Posted October 24, 2002 Let me see here... Lord Darth Maul, greatest swordsman and hate-fuelled Dark Lord of the Sith trained under the grand master of the dark side, Darth Sidious, armed with a double-bladed lightsaber and the full extent of the dark side of the Force. Luke Skywalker, pathetic weakling who is not even fully fledged as a Jedi until he defeats Darth Vader, trained by a ghost of an old man and a tiny backwards-talking imp, armed with single-bladed lightsaber and minimal Force powers. I think Luke would win... oh, sorry: DARTH MAUL! WHY DID YOU EVEN ASK THIS QUESTION? THE ANSWER IS BLATANTLY CLEAR! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Kaan Posted October 24, 2002 Share Posted October 24, 2002 Dunno, Luke could pull one of those Obi won super flip while force pulling a saber to him wild swings and cut Maul in half.... Seriousely, one vs one Maul would own him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediNyt Posted October 25, 2002 Share Posted October 25, 2002 Again clouded is your mind from the Dark. Vader kind of let Luke win, yes. But Luke was just mad at Vader during the final clash. He just wanted to wack him. So he did. Luke Skywalker: Trained one on one by two of the greatest Jedi Masters ever. One of them being the one and only Yoda! He was trained mainly how to use the Force, not wield a saber. Mastering the Force itself and resisting the Dark is more important. After ep6 Luke becomes a true Master of the Force and is virtually unstoppable. No Dark Jedi can beat him. Not Cbaoth, not Desann, no one. In ep6 when Anakin throws Sidious into the core, hes no cowardly wimp! How do you think he so easily pick up Sidious and held him there. The Light in Anakin hurt Sidious and made him unable to move. Did you see the pain on Sidious face? He was screaming! All he could do was spray lightning eventually hurting Anakin badly. But Ani held in there and finished the job. THAT my friends is the true power of the Force, the Light. So in short Sidious said,"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!":crybaby: Ya some tough guy he turned out to be. But still to give all you Dark fans credit, the Sith and the Dark Jedi are not pushovers at all. Yoda said after all, "Do not underestimate the powers of the Emperor, or suffer your fathers fate you will.":yoda: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi_Monk Posted October 25, 2002 Share Posted October 25, 2002 After ep6 Luke becomes a true Master of the Force and is virtually unstoppable. No Dark Jedi can beat him. Not Cbaoth, not Desann, no one. 1. this is a movie debate, keep the EU out of it. But... if you really want to dredge up the EU, I'm up to the challenge. C'baoth kicked Luke's butt. Luke would've been slaughtered by Luuke (who thought that double-vowels was a good way to denote clones?) had Mara Jade not saved him (Did the Emperor accidentally extend the "u" sound when he issued his last command to Mara? Did he accidentally say: "you will kill LUUUUUUUUUUUKE SKYWALKER"? Because obviously the double vowels sound different, and the name's are obviously spelled differently, so Mara never followed the Emperor's Last Command. Zahn thought he found a loophole, silly author). Also, Mara Jade was the one who killed C'baoth. Drove her lightsaber right through his chest. C'baoth blew up. Luke did not defeat Desaan. Watch the cutscene again. Luke and Desaan fight, they both fall and Desaan brings a couple tons of metal down on Luke's head and runs for the Doomgiver. If Luke had defeated Desaan, who would Kyle've fought at the end of Jedi Outcast? And I'll throw out another name... Exar Kun. Exar Kun mentally thrashed Luke and only by the combined efforts of his students, was Exar Kun defeated. Again, Luke is pathetic. And the Emperor Reborn... Luke and Leia and Leia's unbown twins had to combine all of their Force powers to defeat Palpatine (or is that Paalpatine? Or Palpaatine? Or Palpatiine? Or Palpatinee?). Luke is a truly pathetic Jedi in the EU. I think Lucas intended him to be much more than what these hacks have made him into. But regardless... In ep6 when Anakin throws Sidious into the core, hes no cowardly wimp! How do you think he so easily pick up Sidious and held him there. The Light in Anakin hurt Sidious and made him unable to move. Did you see the pain on Sidious face? Dude, Palpatine's lightning was backfiring! He was electricuting himself! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holo-Sidious Posted October 25, 2002 Share Posted October 25, 2002 Ah... some defence at last! Yet, from the person I least expected it from. Well well... this is a surprising change of heart, Jedi_Monk: you are defending the dark side of the Force! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Kaan Posted October 25, 2002 Share Posted October 25, 2002 Originally posted by Holo-Sidious Ah... some defence at last! Yet, from the person I least expected it from. Well well... this is a surprising change of heart, Jedi_Monk: you are defending the dark side of the Force! Sounds to me like he is presenting a logical debate, not defending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediNyt Posted October 26, 2002 Share Posted October 26, 2002 Perhaps I didnt explain very well. I didnt say Luke defeated Cbaoth or Desann. I said they didnt defeat him. I know Mara killed Luuke and Cbaoth. She took em by surprise when they were overconfident. Remember Luke was not a master at that time. He was still a Knight. Cbaoth was a master. Easy concept. Remember me saying the same thing about Dooku vs Ani and Obi? Master vs Knight...gee I wonder who would win. In JK2 when Luke fights Desann, Desann does not defeat Luke. Not even close. Desann escapes. He had been throught the Valley of the Jedi so he was a lot more powerful, but he didnt put a scratch on Luke. Notice how Luke shook his head calmly like he was disapointed in Desann after the quik duel? All that aside, I agree that some of EU makes Luke look wimpy. But we all know thats not true. George created Luke and Luke rules. Thats that. When I brought in EU I was trying to find examples out of the movies since people think hes a wimp. But that was a bad idea. If Palpatine electricuted himself did you ever think why? Why would he do that if instead he could pull away and shock Anakin head on? He had lost control because of the power of the Light. He could not move. He lost. The Dark side lost. Luke defeated Vader Dark Lord of the Sith and beat the Dark telling him to kill his father. Anakin defeated Vader, Anakin defeated Sidious, even while being shocked to death. Im not perfect in my knowledge but I was right about most of this stuff. Please try not to put words in my mouth I really get hurt by that. I know what you Dark side fans are saying. Just pay attention to what I type. Im not dissing you. Im not dissing anyone here. Lets have good clean debates. Not getting at eachothers throats. I dont wanna have to keep leaving threads cause people jump on me when they think Im so blind. Im not. Lets just all settle on what we know is fact. Nothing more. Ill do the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taos Posted October 26, 2002 Share Posted October 26, 2002 I can't believe I'm going to do this but.........I agree with Holo-Sid and the others. Darth Maul would wipe the damn floor with Luke, he wouldn't know what to do with a sith lord like Maul........ "oooohh Leia, help me!!" -Luke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediNyt Posted October 26, 2002 Share Posted October 26, 2002 Hey its war dude. Theres no telling for sure. Sometimes the badguys win sometimes the goodguys win. They both got an equal chance of that killing blow in at the right place at the right time. And it aint really the others fault. Its just war. **** happens. Im goin to bed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted October 26, 2002 Share Posted October 26, 2002 Luke would have zero chance against Darth Maul. We'll look at lukes abilities. Trained by Obiwan to block blaster bolts, but never fight in saber combat. He was trained for approximately the amount of time it takes to travel to alderaan. (Not really sure how long that is...but didn't seem very long atall) Then he is trained by Yoda who's basic goal was to give him strength in the force. When he left yoda he couldn't even lift his X-wing out of the swamp. STILL a crappy Jedi. Then he goes and fights Vader. Yes, Vader, the one who cannot survive without a full mechanical body suit. Who doesn't have all his real appendages. First confrontation, vader beats luke senseless then cuts off his hand. Poor poor luke. Then in the emperors throne room we hear vader trying to goad luke into joining the dard side because he doesn't want to kill him. Well, luke went over to the darkside......and vader was surprised and off guard as luke was raining merciless hell upon him. And then the emperor kicked luke's ass. Luke is a very good jedi for the limited training he had. But Darth Maul had a LOT of training and would eat luke alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediNyt Posted October 26, 2002 Share Posted October 26, 2002 Saber to saber yes. Luke is a brand new Jedi in ep6. Maul would have been a Sith much longer. Maul would win a saber fight agaisnt Luke during the time of ep6. Brand new Jedi vs long time skilled Sith. Easy prediction. After ep6 we know Luke has to get better. If EU never happened we still know he would become a great master and rebuld the Jedi Order. Thats his purpose. Then he would be unstoppable by Maul or any Dark Jedi. I rest my case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted October 26, 2002 Share Posted October 26, 2002 I think Luke would not have become unbeatable after ROTJ. How will he learn? Who will teach him? He doesn't have 800 years to learn how to use the force well.....i'm guessing maybe 80 more. Darth Maul had direction and guidance his entire life. Maul wins, superior skills and knowhow. (And a wicked saber to go with it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holo-Sidious Posted October 27, 2002 Share Posted October 27, 2002 Even if Luke somehow managed to slice Darth Maul's weapon in half (which would never happen in a million millenia), Maul would still destroy the Jedi with ease. Luke Skywalker is perhaps the worst swordfighter in the entire Star Wars saga, and Darth Maul is indeed the best (alongside Count Dooku, but both have entirely different fighting styles and cannot really be compared fairly). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarlacc Food Posted October 27, 2002 Share Posted October 27, 2002 whoa"!!!! what a stupt question...! Maul would could kill him witout his lightsaber... ( by force ) ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted October 27, 2002 Share Posted October 27, 2002 Originally posted by Sarlacc Food whoa"!!!! what a stupt question...! Maul would could kill him witout his lightsaber... ( by force ) ... That one i kind of doubt.......Darth Maul didn't seem to be that powerful with his force attacks.....he pushed obi wan and threw a broken droid body at some door controls. Other than that he was just a fighter.....Luke would beat Darth Maul if Luke was armed and Maul wasn't.....but if they both were.......seeya Luke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taos Posted October 27, 2002 Share Posted October 27, 2002 Originally posted by Sarlacc Food whoa"!!!! what a stupt question...! Maul would could kill him witout his lightsaber... ( by force ) ... In this case I don't think Maul would have a chance......like Et said, his force powerers were not good at all and little Luke could have shown him the power of the force. I do think that Maul was born with a saber in hands and most likely it would be a difficult thing to get hit away from him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sivy Posted October 28, 2002 Share Posted October 28, 2002 i think maul would beat luke in a saber duel, i mean lets face it luke has the elegance of a blind elephant trying to hit a fly with a cat and what force powers did we see him use, force jump, force pull and, well i think that's about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skywalker15 Posted October 28, 2002 Share Posted October 28, 2002 George Lucas didn't have the means to portray as good fighting in the old movies. The way I see it, Luke was very powerful, more powerful then Darth Maul. Maul probably was trained better, though. So a 1on1, Maul might win. That's just my opinion, I may be wrong. But I dislike when everyone pretends to KNOW what is right. It's all speculation on a movie. If GL decided to make Episode 6 in 2005, I'm sure Luke Skywalker would be a much better fighter...He'd probably have a 2 sided lightsaber, as well. See what I mean? It's not an exact science. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taos Posted October 28, 2002 Share Posted October 28, 2002 WELCOME TO LUCASFORUMS.COM SKYWALKER 15!!! Enjoy your time around here!! Tell your friends about it too! Some ppl will have gifts for you, just be careful about what gifts you take from who... (you may understand what that means one day, for now don't worry). Also, if you are interested, come and check out the swamp....it's @ jkII.net......or you could just click on the link in my sig....have fun!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pad Posted October 28, 2002 Share Posted October 28, 2002 i also believe that in a 1on1 duel maul would win from luke. although luke was well trained i think maul was better trained in the ways of using a saber and thats whats important in a 1on1. so again: maul wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonlancer Posted October 29, 2002 Share Posted October 29, 2002 Ok, there's going to be a tad of EU-ishnes, I'm just going to say that outright so please don't flame me. Anyway, Luke hardly had any training. We all know that if Vader honestly wanted to kill him, he would have. Though I suspect that (and this is where it turns somewhat EU) the will of the force was involved in his defeating Vader. We all know good and well that Maul would have OWNED HIM! He took on a jedi master and an extreemly strong padawan at once, and he almost won anyway! Will of the force or not, if maul was in the mood to just get it over with and wasn't going to play around, it would be over in a matter of minutes, if that. You would probably have even more respect for maul than you already have if you have read the book "Darth Maul: Shadow Hunter." Awsome book, go check it out at your local library. It does an excellent job of setting up The Phantom Menace. Worth the read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skywalker15 Posted October 29, 2002 Share Posted October 29, 2002 lol, I've been here awhile. note the "may 2002" part... Just havn't posted Anyways, I don't know much about Darth Maul, except what I saw in the movie. And Episode I (i'm sure this has been said many times) sucked. Of course, GL attmempted to spice it up with an acrobat like DM, but It didn't help much. I thought it was quite bad... On the contrary, Episodes 4-6 are quite good. This will bias my opinions alot, of course. But I just like Luke alot more then all the characters in Episode 1-2... That's just my opinion though, and your entitled to your own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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