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Mike Tyson vs. Bruce Lee  

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  1. 1. Mike Tyson vs. Bruce Lee

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Listen this is the way it is i am not open to negotiation on the matter. I am the one telling you the way it IS!

 

 

Tyson:- pure brute strength. trust me this dude is psychotic, i doubt he uses one Mhz of his brain power on strategy. He simply bludgeons people. He has no control or finnesse. I would liken this fella to a JK2 player that only uses red stance, simply mashing the oponent until a hit finally lands. I think if Tyson "managed" to land a punch that connects properly he could probably knock any man out.

 

Bruce Lee:- Strategic fighter, he understands the philosophy of combat and how to exploit weaknesses in the opponent and make the opposition work against themself. This is a tactical fighter and similarly can be likened to a yellow/blue stance fighter in JK2. His small stature could be a weakness but i would be confident to wager that Lee would use this as his strength and utilise a flowing speedy technique to simply work around the more cumbersome swings of a fighter like Tyson.

 

 

This fight would be amazing, i can picture it now....

 

Tyson goes straight for the kill, Lee hangs back watching for the opening. Tyson starts to swing wildly in the hope that one of his club fists actually connects, Lee dodges every swing with ease almost toying with tyson. Tyson finally makes his last and ultimately flawed swing throwing himself off balance. Lee sweeps tyson decking him in one and finishes him off with a punch to the throat leaving Tyson gasping for air, incapacitated. The referee counts to 10 Tyson is out. Bruce Lee bows to the referee, and then bows to Tyson who has regained his feet, tyson swings at bruce as he bows, Bruce dodges and counters with a one inch punch throwing tyson in a crumpled heap to the floor...

 

"Never take your eyes off your opponent, even when you bow" Bruce Lee - Enter The Dragon

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Bruce Lee's acting career couldn't provide him with expierience like this.

 

Oh I see, you are basing your argument on Bruce Lee's film career! :rolleyes:

 

Have you got even the slightest idea what Lee went through when he was training to become a martial artist? I don't think you do. I think you should do some research into the 'real' life of Bruce Lee before you continue with this argument.

 

To train to become a martial artist, you don't simply learn how to duck and weave and power punch like a boxer, there are many many facits to obtain. You seem to have this image in your head that Lee didn't do any actual real fighting in his life! He trained damn hard every day and took many a punch, so don't think that his jaw is any weaker than Tysons.

 

ok, so you want to avoid the weapons issue, I don't blame you but lets just call it a fight with sticks, who would win?

 

The only safe attacks on Tyson are not leg attacks, indeed, the closer Lee is to Tyson, the more advantage he would have. He would block with his vastly superior blocking skills, and then come in close to attack him. Tyson would have a mirriad of punches and kicks on him before he even knew what hit him.

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Cjais, I really think you are over-estimating these techniques. Do you do any kind of martial arts? I can tell you, that landing martial arts techniques, especially kicks, is much harder then it looks, and moreso to do it effectively. A punch however, is far more simple to land, and if you are arguing that Lee had more punching power then Tyson, you are letting legend triumph of truth and really just fooling yourself. These techniques that you speak of, "Death Touches", if you will, have you ever seen Bruce Lee put any of these into practice? Have you seen him physically kill a man, or a bull? Because while you speculate, I believe that an ungloved Tyson has this, "Death Touch" you speak of, and so revere. He uses it every time he boxes, hundreds of times, for nearly 20 years of boxing. And you think I'm wrong, go watch a tape of a heavyweight bout with Tyson, especially in his prime, and imagine no gloves, and no mouthpieces. The mouthpiece alone absorbs most of the blow in boxing, and most concussions are caused by teeth striking together. Consider this, and fathom how deadly Tyson's power would be in an uncontolled enviroment. I am attempting to be realistic. Let me ask you this, if Tyson was rushing you, punches swinging, how prescise could you be? How much thought power could you allott to other actions beyond surviving? Because I'm not kidding, a solid blow from Tyson without and restraint or protective gear, would kill you. And that is a combination of his boxing skill, his physical strength and size. So you say Tyson would be dead before the fight started? I say, if Lee got close enough to Tyson to perform one of these alleged, theoretical, "Death Touches", Lee would find himself with a mouth full of Mikes fist.

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Right as far as the one inch punch is concerned:-

 

I have seen bruce do this in a documentary about his life, no joke this guy he hit flew at least 10 feet the other directionand this fella was bigger than bruce too.

 

go figure...

 

Also i know nuff folk that do kung fu karate Tang soo do and all that jazzz and ALL of them say that Bruce Lee was the ruffest martial artist in history. Its just a fact i'm afraid.

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Lexx, I am dying of exhaustion and really need some sleep so I'll keep this rebuttal short and sweet.

I didn't say Lee did not really fight, I actually said that I realized he was an avid street fighter and competitor, but as a martial artist myself I know the difference between martial arts training and what boxers must go through. Boxers only have to learn to duck and weave? I think that you had better do a little research on boxing before you continue this argument. Boxers not only go through rigorous physical training, but (unlike most martial artists) get most of their expierience in the ring. I don't doubt that Bruce Lee took some rowdy shots in his lifetime, but could it compare to a lifetime of trading blows with professional heavyweight boxers, whose only goal in life is to hit you so hard that you cannot continue to fight? I don't think so, I think once again, Bruce Lee's actual life, and the one that the numerous rumours and legends surround his life don't actually coincide. Now am I saying that Lee wasn't a tough cookie? Of course not, as a martial artist I have deep respect for all that he was trying to do and where he was attempting to take the art. But I still believe that between the Acting Career, and being a teacher, (which is not only quite time consuming, but I imagine quite unchallenging to him, as I doubt any of his students could put up a fight), that he couldn't match the fighting expierience that Tyson could of. Fighting is not only Tyson's passion, but his career and vital to his livelihood. Anyways, I'm going to continue this argument tommorow, I'm beginning to get really sleepy, and I have a feeling it's going to be Typo city in about 5 minutes, lol. Don't think I'm done with you guys yet, but good night for now.

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Jah, all I can say to that is, regardless of how far Bruce Lee sends anyone flying, or what your friends say, it really doesn't address any of the points that me and the others have brought up. So im confused when you say, "It's just a fact I'm afraid.", when your post contained no real fact, (unless you were referring to the fact that you saw a video where Bruce Lee sent some guy flying ten feet, to which I can only assume you actually saw the video, constituting a fact).

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Bruce Lee was the best.

 

However there are such things as weight classes in all fighting events. Do you know why? Yes you see where I am going.

 

Even the ultimate fight chmpionship put in these divisions becasause the smaller much more highlyskilled fighter were getting destroyed. Weight matters.

 

Also Tyson wouldn't box Bruce Lee, he would street fight him. I am 100% sure tyson could take a hit from Lee, and I am equally sure that Lee would not be able to take a hit from the much bigger Tyson.

 

This isn't a movie or a video game, small guys DO NOT bounce back after getting hit by guys twice there size.

 

Also Bruce Lee never knocked someone 20 feet, thats a myth and sad that anyone believes it. If you think about it you will see that it is not possible...

 

Average Male - 140lbs

Distance traveled - about 7 meters

Impact force required - X

 

Now I won't bore you with formulas but lets just say the impact would kill the human.

 

Also please note that Lennox Lewis defeated Tyson at the downward slope of Tysons career. Had Lewis been around before Tyson's bogus rape charge Lewis would have lost his accent and spoken with a lisp after Tyson rocked him.

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You know, the very content of this poll makes me question what your real motive was in posting. Were you looking for an argument?

 

First of all Bruce Lee is dead as fried chicken and has no way to proove or defend himself. If he was alive he would own Tyson's fat head faster than you can say Evander Hollyfield.

 

Second of all Mike Tyson is an ape who deserves to spend the rest of his natural life behind bars and contemplate what a waste his life was. He has had so many second chances and I have watched piss it all away time, and time again. I don't feel sorry for the bumb anymore, and I question any state that would allow this meathead to box again even in the minor leagues. He is nothing but a commen thug who has tasted the world's riches and abused every power that has been given to him. To listen to him speak makes me cringe.

 

Maybe you can do your next poll on Mike Tyson Vs cartoon characters, he'll still loose.:rolleyes:

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Woodrodius, you aren't very good at arguing this matter.

 

What are you going to do with a kick that can break your neck? Oh, Tyson might be strong and tough, but his damn bones won't last. I don't think Tyson is as strong as a bull.

 

Do you know how much pain it involves if your knee caps are broken? Just as lexx said, this would disable the poor man.

 

If Tyson indeed would be as foolish as simply switching to "meat grinder mode" as start charging at Lee with fists swinging, Bruce would utilize his body weight and leave him crumpled on the floor with a broken arm. I guess you can it a "death touch" if you end up with a broken spine - not much can fix that.

 

Have you ever seen how fast Bruce Lee can punch and kick? It's friggin' amazing, Tyson doesn't even come close. With that speed, he can do whatever he really wants because with his kicks alone he can outgun him. Speed = force, so even if Tyson is very strong, Lee's speed, training, and sheer muscle power can take him down. Lee is pure muscle really.

 

Fatal, even if the lighter, more skilled fighters were getting destroyed, we are still talking about Bruce Lee, he's not a legend for nothing - he started his own school.

 

If there ever came a fight involving these two dudes, it'd be very short, and very messy.

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Enough about this strength crap!

 

Fact will bite you in the @ss again!

 

FACT: Bruce Lee trained in the late 60's. He would not have been NEARLY as powerful as today's athlete's with todays conditioning techniques.

 

FACT: Bruce Lee never fought guys as vicious as....

 

Royce Gracie

Bas Rutten

Ken Shamrock

Don Frye

 

These guys average 6 feet and 200+ pounds, all of them know much more then one martial art and are proven international fighters.

 

Against this class opponent, Bruce Lee would not stand a chance. At most he would wins one year before never being able to fight again.

 

This is what your prized fighter never faced in his life, so lets stop the Bruce Lee was soooo awesome crap. The fact is if it wasn't for Hollywood none of you would even know who he was.

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Originally posted by FatalStrike

Enough about this strength crap!

 

Fact will bite you in the @ss again!

 

FACT: Bruce Lee trained in the late 60's. He would not have been NEARLY as powerful as today's athlete's with todays conditioning techniques.

 

 

man, fatal everytime i think you couldnt say something dumber you go and surpass yourself...

 

what the funk has decade or time got to do with anything...

 

kung Fu practices havent changed in thousands of years he would train in the same way now as then.

 

And if we are going for all round fighters we may as well mention Roy 'pretty boy' Shaw or Lenny MacLean who came over to the states battered the so-called hardest bare knuckle fighter in america (in 2 punches) and flew home the same day...

 

I tell ya if someone made a thread saying its brighter in the day than at night you would argue the opposite just for a reaction...:rolleyes:

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Originally posted by FatalStrike

Bruce Lee was the best.

 

However there are such things as weight classes in all fighting events. Do you know why? Yes you see where I am going.

 

Even the ultimate fight chmpionship put in these divisions becasause the smaller much more highlyskilled fighter were getting destroyed. Weight matters.

 

Also Tyson wouldn't box Bruce Lee, he would street fight him. I am 100% sure tyson could take a hit from Lee, and I am equally sure that Lee would not be able to take a hit from the much bigger Tyson.

 

This isn't a movie or a video game, small guys DO NOT bounce back after getting hit by guys twice there size.

 

Also Bruce Lee never knocked someone 20 feet, thats a myth and sad that anyone believes it. If you think about it you will see that it is not possible...

 

Average Male - 140lbs

Distance traveled - about 7 meters

Impact force required - X

 

Now I won't bore you with formulas but lets just say the impact would kill the human.

 

Also please note that Lennox Lewis defeated Tyson at the downward slope of Tysons career. Had Lewis been around before Tyson's bogus rape charge Lewis would have lost his accent and spoken with a lisp after Tyson rocked him.

 

 

OMG i didnt even see this post. Ive seen the video of the one inch punch man, do you even read the posts? Hence its true, he did it and its "fact"

 

and wtf has lennox lewis got to do with this?

 

as for bogus rape charge?!?!? well we all know the american justic system is a joke but really you are kidding? Tyson innocent? do me a favour!

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Originally posted by Jah Warrior

 

man, fatal everytime i think you couldnt say something dumber you go and surpass yourself...

 

what the funk has decade or time got to do with anything...

 

kung Fu practices havent changed in thousands of years he would train in the same way now as then

 

Its been 35 years and the training knowledge we know today produces much stronger athletes then before.

 

Think about what any major strength and spped record was back then and what it is today. More importantly however is that in this day and age atheletes are more on par with eachother.

 

Bruce would not have had a strength advantage like he did.

 

Also I wasn't refering to his Kung Fu Training I was reffering to his conditioning which he did in many ways.

 

Originally posted by Jah Warrior

And if we are going for all round fighters we may as well mention Roy 'pretty boy' Shaw or Lenny MacLean who came over to the states battered the so-called hardest bare knuckle fighter in america (in 2 punches) and flew home the same day...

 

I don't think america has the best fighters, nor did I claim we did.

 

Originally posted by Jah Warrior

I tell ya if someone made a thread saying its brighter in the day than at night you would argue the opposite just for a reaction...:rolleyes:

 

Yeah well I would rather argue for reaction then believe Lee broke the laws of physics cause he was "that good" :rolleyes:

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Originally posted by Jah Warrior

 

 

OMG i didnt even see this post. Ive seen the video of the one inch punch man, do you even read the posts? Hence its true, he did it and its "fact"

 

Well I have the video of Darth Vader gripping someone. However I am more inclined to believe the accepted laws of physics and not what you or I saw on a video.

 

Originally posted by Jah Warrior

and wtf has lennox lewis got to do with this?

 

as for bogus rape charge?!?!? well we all know the american justic system is a joke but really you are kidding? Tyson innocent? do me a favour!

 

Lewis is a reply to an earlier poster who commented on Lewis being better then Tyson.

 

I don't believe the rape charge because of lack of physical evidence and because of the "victims" behaivor minutes before and after the "crime." Mike is a monster, to that there is no doubt, but he is also open to wild accusations because a jury won't give a damn about evidence, since they hate him.

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Know what I think?

 

Bruce Lee vs Mike "The raper" Tyson

 

I can see it now

 

_____________________-

Bruce Lee = I hope you fight with honour

Mike = shut up and fight

*Mike punches wildly*

*Bruce Lee counters and sweeps Mike off his feet*

*Mike gets back up*

*Bruce Lee gets the numchuks (I cant spell it, lol)

*Mike runs in trying to hit Bruce*

*Bruce Lee hits him in the chin and the legs*

And in the end, Mike leaves with two broken legs and a broken nose :D

 

The winner BRUCE LEE!

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Alright I'm awake now.

 

First of all Groovy, yes, I did post this poll just to argue, or debate as I prefer to call it, because it is a hobby of mine. If you don't like to debate, you don't have to.

Fatal, thanks for backing me up. I think me and fatal are both on the same level in agreeing that the various "moves" of Bruce Lee, would prove pretty useless against such a powerhouse as Tyson. I don't want to say that Lee is all legend, but I believe a lot of myth surrounds him and has built him up considerably, whereas Mike Tyson's fighting prowess and destructive power cannot be denied by anyone. As a martial artist, I have witnessed first hand the myths surrounding martial arts fade away. A lot of kids have all these crazy ideas about getting your black belt and being able to beat up 6 or 7 guys at the same time and make it look cool. Fact of the matter is, in a normal street fight, against a normal opponent, the best thing to do is to punch them in the nose, so that their eyes water up, not go into crane stance or use your fanciest kick. Martial arts is a hard thing to fathom if you've never participated in it, or you are taught poorly. Now im sure Bruce Lee got into a few scraps in his lifetime. But he wasn't constantly fighting devestating opponents like Tyson, and if you think he was your fooling yourself. People have this idea in their heads that Bruce Lee went around constantly getting into huge martial arts battles with anyone he could find, and this is just false. He opened a school to "teach" Jeet Kun Do, whereas he was actually using the students as human practice dummies. This is a fact. He was attempting to perfect his technique, (I.E. The one inch punch) which is all fine and dandy, but it doesn't all translate over into a streetfight situation, whereas the easily accessible moves of Tyson almost seamlessly do. So you say he's got a one inch punch that will send Tyson flying, but as I have said before, you CANNOT get within arms reach of Tyson, let alone an inch, or your a gonner.

Cjais, saying that I am not good at arguin this subject is a pretty bold statement. Yet when I asked you whether you had witnessed Bruce Lee killing a person or a bull, you answered me with another question, "You think Tyson is stronger then a bull?" While I'm not sure what the ultimate goal of this question is, I can only address that, while Tyson probably does not have the towing capacity of the bull, I'd venture to say it would tougher to knock out Tyson then a bull. But you are being rather undescriptive about the whole alleged situation where somebody knocks out a bull, which leads me to believe this is something you just heard. Mike Tyson could knock out a silver back Gorilla if it were tied down. Thats not the point. The point is, could Lee damage Tyson so substantially that he could not fight, before Tyson could do likewise to him. In my opinion, there is no way he could.

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Also, Im not sure about which one inch punch video you guys are describing, but outside of his movies, I saw footage of him knocking a man down into a chair with it. It was more like 2-3 feet, and the man got right back up, and I believe shook his hand. The same technique, in my opinion, would just about barely cause Tyson to momentarily stumble, and then he'd be right back on you, and not to shake your hand.

 

On a side not, groovy, we aren't here to discuss Tyson's moral issues or his general conduct. (Though in my opinion, after seeing the lewis fight, he deserves a pat on the back for cleaning up his act and remaining very well behaved.) If you wish to discuss Tyson's moral shortcummings, you are more then welcome to start your own thread on the subject. But we are here to discuss Lee vs. Tyson, so lets keep it on track alright? Thanks.

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Wood, I'm saying you are bad at arguing this, because you've got this neat idea in your head that Bruce can't beat Tyson, then you go to a forum to stir up some debate - but, you will not give way to any sort of arguments. You're always proclaiming we don't have any real evidence, when you in fact don't have either. You are hellbent on your idea though, and won't disagree with yourself. Check the evolution thread for comparisons.

Of course we don't have any real evidence because Lee is dead, and all we have are his myths, videos, training techniques and a certain thought that he was perhaps the most gifted martial artist in the last century.

 

Now, make some paragraphs in your posts so that it is easier to read as well.

 

I have witness of great martial artists killing bulls with one punch, yes - and I think it's safe to assume Lee would be able to do that too.

 

Fact: Bruce had more training than that urban gorilla Tyson.

Fact: Human bones can break.

Theory: Tyson's hands aren't accustomed to fighting without gloves on, his knockles aren't hardened etc.

Theory: Bruce would snap Tyson's spine with his far superior training.

 

However, this isn't a fair fight - You're comparing a dead fighter to a live one. Let's make it more equal by saying Lee versus Cassius Clay, for example.

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Originally posted by cjais

I have witness of great martial artists killing bulls with one punch, yes - and I think it's safe to assume Lee would be able to do that too.

 

One- this is BullSh^t

 

Two- Leave the damn bull alone, you shouldn't kill something to prove you are good.

 

Originally posted by cjais

Fact: Bruce had more training than that urban gorilla Tyson.

 

So what? Have you ever seen a real fight? One without rules and all kinds of garbage? I give you this question.

 

How far do you think Tyson could throw 120lb. Bruce Lee?

 

 

Originally posted by cjais

Fact: Human bones can break.

 

Yes they can and both of these fighters can break them, the only difference is tyson hits MUCH harder.

 

If you think Bruce Lee hits harder then Tyson call me I have a nice bridge I want to sell you.

 

 

Originally posted by cjais

Theory: Tyson's hands aren't accustomed to fighting without gloves on, his knockles aren't hardened etc.

 

Wrong, Tyson was "found" not trained. He was a street fighter that had a rep for beating the life out of anyone who messed with him with his bare hands. This means ol' Mike doesn't only know how to take out boxers.

 

 

Originally posted by cjais

Theory: Bruce would snap Tyson's spine with his far superior training.

 

Superior training means a lot, but Tyson lands one hit, yes ONE HIT, and Bruce would be out cold. Also please note that superior training has NEVER been seen as enough to overcome a GREATLY larger opponent when both are very well trained.

 

 

Originally posted by cjais

However, this isn't a fair fight - You're comparing a dead fighter to a live one. Let's make it more equal by saying Lee versus Cassius Clay, for example.

 

Cassius Clay is M. Ali......and he is alive FFS!

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Intenet in my area is going down a lot, so If I'm not replying much for a bit, that's why, Fatal, I'd like to thank you again for bringing some more points into the subject, particularly that Tyson was found as a streetfighter and not trained right off the bat. Caijus, I've been trying to debate with you and I don't think it's fair to say that I've just been refusing all your arguments. I've been taking your points and addressing them with my own, and I haven't once said, "Well your wrong and I'm right." I derive no satisfaction from that, I like to debate about subjects that interest me. I've been going out of my way to consider all points given to me, and I don't think I've blown anybody off, but if you think I have done so, please give me an example. I don't want to be that kind of guy who disagrees with someone and just tells them to go $@#$ themselves, that is both unintelligent and pretty non-productive. (Plus it's not pithy, and nothing makes people flustered like pithiness :)) So, again, if you feel I haven't been taking your points seriously and just blowing you off, I apologize, as this was not my intention, and please bring to my attention the points that you think I have not given adequate response to. Thank you.

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Originally posted by FatalStrike

Cassius Clay is M. Ali......and he is alive FFS!

 

Ooooops! :lol: Sowwwwy!

 

Really, I thought he was dead - but let's assume Lee versus M. Ali in his heyday then....

 

Or any other dead fighter versus Lee or whoever else, that's the point anyway.

 

Edit - no no, Wood - you haven't blown me off or anyone else, and you've always given good reason... ...it's just I'm starting to believe you won't change your mind no matter what we say. And this is a weird debate after all, Lee is dead - we can talk theories till forever comes, but we'll never find out for sure who the greatest is. Better make this a brutal theory versus theory matchup by having it involve to dead guys. If one of the combatants are alive, he'll always be lauded as the greatest because the dead dude's prowess always can be dismissed as mere myth - and in this case, we have never seen real fights of Lee at all (I believe), only movies where his goal wasn't to kill, but to look spectacular.

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Cjais, I see your point about the living vs the dead thing, though i thing no matter what it's all going down to opinion. I used Tyson vs Lee because they are the epitomy of two facets of combat, Speed (Lee), and Strength (Tyson), and nobody can disagree that both have skill. The goal of this forum debate is not to figure out who is right or wrong, it's just to give your opinion of why you think your right. I'd like to keep going with the Tyson vs Lee debate, but If anyone would like to drop in any other fighters, I don't see why we cannot debate them all, I'm not going to be the forum Stalin telling you guys what to post and what not to post lol.

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are you guys serious.

 

bruce lee with out a doubt.

 

don't get me wrong iron mike is probably my fav boxer of all time. but common now its two different style of fighting. boxing only uses fist and Jeet Kun Do consist of every part of your body from head to toe.

 

yeah mike is stronger but with bruce lee's speed and versitile moves it will be over within a minute. and also lee wins because he got the smarts (fighting wise). i guarantee mike wouldn't even connect with one single punch.

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