Attack Iraq?

[Inky Binky]

A few points:

 

1) First of all, there aint gonna be no WW3. If it comes down to it and we have to go to war with IRAQ, then ts gonna be something like Desert Storm, maybe a little smaller considering there won't be too many allies with us this time. Yes people will die. In war, that usually happens.

 

2) IRAQ is a threat to world stability. We're living in a dangerous time now. The fact that more and more countries are able to develop their own nuclear bombs (or are in the process of developing) is a testament to this fact. Look at INDIA and PAKISTAN. These 2 countries recently added nuclear weaponry to their arsenals and what do they do? They still creat conflict among themselves. Its a very real possibility that the first nuclear war will be between these 2 childish countries. As for IRAQ, we're not gonna fight them 'cause we think they're gonna launch a bunch of nucelar missles at us. What we're worried about is if Saddam Hussein manages to make nuclear weapons, there's a pretty good possibility he will give the know how, the resources, the expertise, and yes maybe an actual bomb to terrorists groups or states. Stopping him from doing this won't solve the whole problem 'cause there are others doing the same thing. But if you take him out of the equation (kill him or arrest him), well thats one "less" problem to worry about.

 

3) There is no doubt in my mind that the U.S. or "another" Western Country is gonna suffer from a nuclear attack from a terrrorist group at some point in the future. This is inevitable. Eventually, a terrorist group is gonna get their hands on "the bomb" and use it. It could happen a year from now, 5 years from now or maybe it will happen 30 years from now. Bottomline is, it "is" gonna happen.

 

I only wish the world would just look at things realistically or with an open mind. There's quite a few countries that have an unrealistic view of the world. Problems do not go away if you leave it alone. There are times when you have to take action. Sadly, at times, violent action.

[Elijah]

Originally posted by Inky Binky

A few points:

 

1) First of all, there aint gonna be no WW3. If it comes down to it and we have to go to war with IRAQ, then ts gonna be something like Desert Storm, maybe a little smaller considering there won't be too many allies with us this time. Yes people will die. In war, that usually happens.

 

2) IRAQ is a threat to world stability. We're living in a dangerous time now. The fact that more and more countries are able to develop their own nuclear bombs (or are in the process of developing) is a testament to this fact. Look at INDIA and PAKISTAN. These 2 countries recently added nuclear weaponry to their arsenals and what do they do? They still creat conflict among themselves. Its a very real possibility that the first nuclear war will be between these 2 childish countries. As for IRAQ, we're not gonna fight them 'cause we think they're gonna launch a bunch of nucelar missles at us. What we're worried about is if Saddam Hussein manages to make nuclear weapons, there's a pretty good possibility he will give the know how, the resources, the expertise, and yes maybe an actual bomb to terrorists groups or states. Stopping him from doing this won't solve the whole problem 'cause there are others doing the same thing. But if you take him out of the equation (kill him or arrest him), well thats one "less" problem to worry about.

 

3) There is no doubt in my mind that the U.S. or "another" Western Country is gonna suffer from a nuclear attack from a terrrorist group at some point in the future. This is inevitable. Eventually, a terrorist group is gonna get their hands on "the bomb" and use it. It could happen a year from now, 5 years from now or maybe it will happen 30 years from now. Bottomline is, it "is" gonna happen.

 

I only wish the world would just look at things realistically or with an open mind. There's quite a few countries that have an unrealistic view of the world. Problems do not go away if you leave it alone. There are times when you have to take action. Sadly, at times, violent action.

Well Said! I Salute You.

[<Im Yo Pusha>]

Well said Inky Binky

[C'jais]

Inky, you cannot predict or compare the consequences to Desert Storm - DS was about oil rights, this is about attacking a nation because you fear they may attack someone else.

 

On the same grounds, we should attack USA because they are haboring nuclear weapons that we do not know when they'll use. USA is itself a "rogue state" (love that expression).

 

If USA attacks Irak, Bush may start to be viewed to other countries as a dictator, forcing his views down on other countries and in a position for world domination.

 

Note: this is not an anti-american post - I'm simply using hypotheses to a big extent, not my own beliefs.

[Clem]

ever heard of M.A.D. (mutually assured destruction)... this is y nukes wont be used

 

maybe terrorists might use them (the sort that do suicide attacks) ... but they wont get hold of them without trouble

 

iraq however could neva use nukes cos they themselves will be destroyed

 

and this world has enuff crazed madmen with access to nukes in america .... y piss another 1 off

 

i will repeat this WE CANNOTY FORCE OUR RELIGION/MORALITY ON OTHER PEOPLES THIS IS JUST PLAIN WRONG

[Professor Snape]

Well the only real way saddam could attack us with his weapons is if he bombed our army while we were over there. If Saddam did fire his weapons, it would probably be fired on our little friend Israel.

 

 

This idea is probably gonna get flamed but we should Nuke the entire middle east and start over.

[ckcsaber]

Yes lets nuke all of the middle east:rolleyes:

 

 

I'm sure you could figure out why thats a bad idea if you try hard enough

[Professor Snape]

yea it is a bad idea cuz alotta innocent ppl would die. But it would solve some problems as Palistine, Iraq, Mayb Osama, Al Quada or whatever.

 

The USA has a hard time finding one person. ANd the news media kills the surprise. All Osama has to do is watch CNN and move to where USA ain't attacking.

 

And to teh guy who wants to attack USA, just wait 2 more years dude. Bush might not be reelected. I was hoping Rudy could run for pres(Former mayor of NYC)

 

They one thing i don't think bush admin. has right is that IF we get rid of Saddam, the Iraqie ppl with be happy. Well don't they love Saddam so i dunno if they will be happy

[Breton]

First, I want you to remember that it is Bush that is attacking, not Saddam.

 

Secondly, Bush should really get evidence for Iraq having weapons of mass destruction before he attacks them for having it. This is just what the weapon inspectors are going to do now, but the US goverment does not like that, especially they don't like the weapon inspectors leader Hans Blix, ok no one likes a swede anyway, but still...

 

Thirdly, you must remember that it was US that actually helped Iraq getting those weapons in the first place, just like it was they that originally supported Bin Laden, giving him weapons and stuff. Isn't that enough reason for Bush to attack USA, since they are such a major threat to the american people?

 

Also, if Saddam do have mass destruction weapons, he would probably use them if USA attacks, since he has then nothing to lose.

 

And there is always the chance for a WW3 to break out. Obviously, Bush never think this far, since he has an IQ of about 90 (this is true).

 

Bush also obviously do not know that a goverment change can be done without a war. For example Norway got free from Sweden simply because of politics (and Sweden was about double as large as Norway, and had a much greater army).

 

 

Do you have any idea how many people die to the hand of Saddam EACH DAY? DO YOU!? A terrorist like him needs to and must be destroyed.

 

And do you have any idea of how many innocent lives that are lost each day in Afghanistan, lifes that could have been spared? The war with Bin Laden has lasted a long time now, but still it has accomplished nothing, Bin Laden is still free, and is probably sunbathing on Hawaii as we speak. So do not forget about the terrorist George W. Bush, who should also be destroyed. Or do you really value an innocent american life over an innocent afghanian life?

 

 

 

i do think that saddam is bad, but i don't think they should attack iraq for it, it's a bit complicated. but they sould try to only kill saddam

 

The problem is that most of Iraq actually supports Saddam, probably because of massive propaganda, but if they just kill Saddam it is very likely that one of his sons or something will take over leadership, and now it's even worse, because now Iraq will be really furious.

 

I think that the USA, should get a nuclear weapon, find saddam, launch missle, bye bye war!

This idea is probably gonna get flamed but we should Nuke the entire middle east and start over.

 

Very funny:D

 

Cause you're joking, right? Right?! RIGHT?!?!?

[PhantomHelix]

yeah! lets nuke em all! lol, im just kiddin.....

 

anywho,we just gotta wait to see what becomes of this situation.....

[Jedi_Monk]

You all talk about how we may start WW3 and what not... Do you have any idea how many people die to the hand of Saddam EACH DAY? DO YOU!?

No... do you?

 

I've debated this issue more times than I can count; if you want to know what I think about it, then I'll give you two links:

 

The first is to another "Attack Iraq" thread on the Swamp. I recommend you read all of it. Yes, I know it's long, but if you're going to open your mouth and argue about an issue of this magnitude, then you'd better know what you're talking about:

War

 

The second link is to the transcript of a speech I gave at my youth group on 10/6/02 applying the Just War doctrine to a war with Iraq:

There is such a thing as a Just War--is this one?

 

[Professor Snape]

Originally posted by JM Qui-Gon Jinn

 

And there is always the chance for a WW3 to break out. Obviously, Bush never think this far, since he has an IQ of about 90 (this is true).

 

 

So do not forget about the terrorist George W. Bush, who should also be destroyed. Or do you really value an innocent american life over an innocent afghanian life?

 

Very funny:D

 

Cause you're joking, right? Right?! RIGHT?!?!?

 

First yes i was joking about bombing the entire middle east. So many innocent lives should never be lost like that.

 

And how is George W a terrorist? He doesn't kills thousands of ppl because of a religious idea. He is actually trying his best to be like his father. If u think about it, It is actually George Bush Senior's 2nd term. Cuz George W probably asks his dad what to do all the time. And both are going after Iraq.

 

Now. George W ain't got an IQ of 90 dude. If he can become the president of the USA, then he has a higher IQ.

 

And where are u from?

[JandoFett1842]

Its ok with me if we beat the s*** out of em!! Just so long as they dont start drafting again and iraq donsnt bomb our home

[Elijah]

Its all to easy for the non usa people out there to just sit back and throw thier 2 cents around about why we shouldnt fight.

[DiRtY $oUtH™]

I think we need to wipe out Iraq so we can get free oil and make it part of the United States...I mean come on, what ever happened to the good ol usa? Back when this country started, we were continually expanding. Now we dont wanna take over anybody's country. **** that. Let's make the US bigger and get us some free oil!

[Weapon X]

ok, since there are way too many posts for my liking, i only read the first 2 or 3, but my views are as follows: take out the potential threat, when the japanese bombed pearl harbor we kicked the **** out of them (excuse the lang.) and there were no more problems, i think if we do that to iraq then people will think "holy jesus jumped christ, the americans aren't afraid to take out the big guns!" and people would back off, or if we just sent in 1-2 of our best snipers who are willing to do the job, they go in and take out sadaam, they don't know who did it, bush tells them if they want it to come and get it, and it looks like they start the fight/war, OR they go on wondering where the snipers are, where they're from, and how many other troops there are, it'd be a quick in-and-out mission, and it might solve the problems or start bigger ones, who knows, but personally, if they OR we start a war, i'm joining the corps to go kick some ass, defend my country and the people in it, the people who stand around with signs saying "jobs not bombs" "you're really starting to scare me bush" and stupid stuff like that, news flash people, OUR military, the one that goes and fights wars and battles in other countries is what is allowing you to put up those signs and bad mouth your countries leader, it is the military that keeps us safe and allows us to live our lives, and alls people can do is badmouth it, it's sad, i'm gonna throw some snowballs or harass them tomorrow if they're out again

[Wacky_Baccy]

Originally posted by Cjais

Me and some friends have talked about something:

 

If USA joined hands with Europe, we could assume world domination, and dictate the human rights on other, less civilized countries.

 

Just an idea

I was beginning to wonder if it was just me who had noticed that...

Posted by Darth Strom

[...] However, if NATO (US, Canada, Mexico for those who dont know) joined forces w/ Europe, we could be very sucessful in utilizing resources from weak counties (beating up on Kuwait for their oil) that sort of thing.

Are you saying that NATO consits of the US, Canada, and Mexico? ...Do you actually know what "NATO" stands for? (NOT intended as a flame - I'm just curious )

Posted by ep2 Anakin

ok, since there are way too many posts for my liking, i only read the first 2 or 3, but my views are as follows: take out the potential threat, when the japanese bombed pearl harbor we kicked the **** out of them (excuse the lang.) and there were no more problems[...]

No more problems? Interesting way of looking at it... You fought with them for several years, but had to resort to using two nuclear weapons to finally make them submit (I am not saying that was not necessary)... Are you willing to do the same if Iraq refuses to surrender if or when you attack it? Even if you are the ones who make the first move? This seems to be what you are implying...

[Weapon X]

well the japanese aren't tryin to fight us anymore are they?

[ET Warrior]

Originally posted by Darth Strom

 

 

I very much agree, the USA isnt trying to bully anyone, but if Iraq becomes enough of a threat we should act on em'

Jais, I like ur idea, except the US would have no interest in being a global bully and attacking smaller countries.

The United States is probably the biggest bully of a country that there has ever been. When other countries decide that they want to do what's in their best interests but it's going to cost the US money, what do we do? Not support them in their efforts to improve their own living conditions, no, we go in and overthrow their leader and put in a pro US guy, one who will allow us to force their children to make our shoes for pennies a day while we sell them for 50 dollars. One who will enslave his own people because we are making him a rich man for it. Don't believe me? Take a class over the cold war. See what our presidents have ordered the CIA to do.

So we ARE in fact being bullies.

 

I think we need to wipe out Iraq so we can get free oil and make it part of the United States...I mean come on, what ever happened to the good ol usa? Back when this country started, we were continually expanding. Now we dont wanna take over anybody's country. **** that. Let's make the US bigger and get us some free oil!

Please oh please let you be joking.....

[Wacky_Baccy]

^ I dearly hope that he is... But it's beginning not to surprise me when people say things like that and mean it

Posted by ep2 Anakin

well the japanese aren't tryin to fight us anymore are they?

I'm not quite sure what you're getting at... Could you clarify a bit?

[ET Warrior]

Originally posted by ep2 Anakin

well the japanese aren't tryin to fight us anymore are they?

 

 

Yeah, and all we had to do was kill a million innocent people. And of course these days since our nukes are over 100 times more powerful than the ones we dropped on japan, we could concievably completely irradicate an entire country. I dont know about you, but i dont know if i could live with the knowledge that i belong to a country who could single handedly destroy so much innocent life.

[JandoFett1842]

We should beat the **** out of them, with the way they act and treat people who want to keep the world safe, like i think zdowg said "its easy for people outside the us to not care and come up with why we shouldnt attack" but how would you like it if they were directly treataning Britan, Austirela, Switzerland, ect.

 

And a note to Dark Yoda:

The United States is not an empire, we would not take them over and rule them like a providence. Most likely what would hapent would be that we would help them set up a democratic system/parlament thing and they would rule themselfs and suply us with oil. Also on the oil note, we have many untaped oil wells in alaska that could be used but we dont becuase of the envioment (damn tree huggers)

[ET Warrior]

Middle eastern countries are angry at the US, NOT because we have freedom and they don't. NOT because they just want somebody to pick on. But because we have bullied them and had our way with them in the past. I dont really feel like citing specific examples because i've been touring schools all day today with my musical and i'm REALLY tired, but i'm sure you could search it out on the net. or look in a history book around the time of the cold war.

[Wacky_Baccy]

Posted by JandoFett1842

We should beat the **** out of them, with the way they act and treat people who want to keep the world safe, like i think zdowg said "its easy for people outside the us to not care and come up with why we shouldnt attack" but how would you like it if they were directly treataning Britan, Austirela, Switzerland, ect.

*winces*

 

I shan't say anything else so as to avoid a flame war...

The United States is not an empire, we would not take them over and rule them like a providence. Most likely what would hapent would be that we would help them set up a democratic system/parlament thing and they would rule themselfs [...]

Like you did in Afghanistan? ...Although I suppose with the prospect of cheap oil, you'd probably make MUCH more of an effort to rebuild the country you devastated...

[ET Warrior]

Well, to give the US some credit, we do have a lot of non-profit organizations like Unicef and the Red Cross who are doing as much as they can to help afghanistan.