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A Chrstian, a Hypocrite or something in between??  

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  1. 1. A Chrstian, a Hypocrite or something in between??

    • A true Christian
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    • A hypocrite
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    • I'm not even pretending to be Christian
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    • I believe in God, but not the one in the Bible. I walk my own path.
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Originally posted by meadfish

Now, I think I will resume the task that brought me to this forum in the first place: How do you make your name invisible on the duel list?:confused:

 

I recall it being done by simply making a [space] or a "^" as a name.

 

I'd advise you don't do this though. You tend to come off a prick, instead of the mysterious black knight most people feel like when they're doing this. Similarily, it's bad etiquette to name yourself "Padawan" when you're obviously experienced in the game - anyone with an ounce of brainpower can see you're not trying to be funny or masquerading, just an arsehole.

 

If you really don't want people to know your "real" nickname, simply use your imagination and come up with another. Examples I've used include Harry the Hairy Horse, Punky the Blue Panda, Fluffy the Pink Wabbit, Gendy, Entropy, Max Gay etc.

 

As for the Creationist comments, continue that discussion in the designated thread (Here)

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According to the rules of this place its users are prohibited to:

 

in any way, insult (or "flame") someone else on the board. People may not be insulted just because their opinion differs from your own. Flaming includes calling people names, insulting them in any way or saying offensive things to them. (Own italisation, Templar.)

 

The statment that: "(Your) faith/belief is nonsense/idiocy" shoots at the faith or belief, not the person. Therefore it is not "insulting someone". It is insulting something (belief). I have called no names. And "saying offensive things" has not so far been interpreted as posting:

 

1) Facts.

 

2) Advertising for genocidal organisations:

 

I don't mean to sound ignorant or high and mighty (and I don't want to offend anyone) but it is above all other religions because it is the only one that leads to Heaven. All others do not.

 

Reborn Outcast

 

3) Bashing other people over the heads with arbitrary statments that their beliefs are false:

 

And yes my GOD is real yours is not!

 

Mandolorian54

 

4) Accuse people of supporting undemocratic, theocratic ways of life:

 

Mandalorian 54, you should move to Indonesia, Sudan, Saudi Arabia, China, and other Middle Eastern countires. Sounds like you really would love to live at those places.

 

FunClown

 

5) Debasing or ridiculing the works of the great men and women whom we owe our entire technological level, liberty, and democracy. Insulting the memories of great people like Darwin, Newton, Voltaire, Montesque, and the rest of the crowd (just flip through one of the "Science vs. Creationism" threads to see examples of this).

 

I personally find this very offensive, but I don't report it to MODs, because I find it silly to run crying to the MODs whenever someone challenges your way of life. Rather I try to point out why it is wrong to challenge rationalism (but then again, I actually have basis for my arguments).

 

So, to sum up: There are three kinds of flaming:

 

1) Name calling.

 

2) Insulting someone.

 

3) Posting offensive things.

 

1) I never did that. If you think that I did, then quote me.

 

2) I never insulted anyone. I threw flak after a concept.

 

3) If (big if) calling someone's faith/opinion/political standpoint/etc. silly/foolish/ect. is cause for a ban, then everyone I mentioned above should have been banned (notice the past tense).

 

Therefore this place would be in a fine mess if (in more than one sense of the word) overzealous MODs ban people for ridiculeing faith/religion. You know who I am talking to [/sarcasm].

 

q.e.d.

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As expected, I concur with ShadowTemplar here.

 

Not everyone who voices a loud and dissenting opinion is a troll.

 

If you don't like to experience totally opposite views on religion than yours, get out. Don't visit this forum, where it's most of all bound to happen.

 

As for insults, it doesn't work the way you want it to. "My trust in Windows is a part of who I am". Not. You can insult my favoured brand of keyboards, and I'll be able to take it as an insult based on your definitions.

 

Seperate beliefs and self. Seperate insults and objective criticism.

 

If you ever ban someone here on the basis of insulting religions, I'll be the first to leave, and you'll find this forum mod-less.

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Shadow and Cjais I don't know if you even bothered to read my post at the top of page 3 but I replied about a belief thing...

 

Beliefs MAKE UP who we are. You don't believe in Jesus or God or Heaven which is why you argue about it so much because it is your person. It is who you are. Obi and I belive in God and Heaven and that affects WHO WE ARE and how we live. Beliefs DO make up who a person is.

 

Can you argue with that? I dont' see how MY faith and beliefs aren't a part of myself.

 

And Shadow in fact you did insult Christians by saying this...

 

 

 

Originally posted by ShadowTemplar

When do you feel "God" speaking? When you're on hashish?

 

Hmm that sounds like an insult to people who have had an experience with God.

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Originally posted by Reborn Outcast

Can you argue with that? I dont' see how MY faith and beliefs aren't a part of myself.

 

What is a part of ourselves? My chosen eyeliner? My car?

 

It's false reasoning. It's an unfounded claim. It won't do.

 

Idols come and go, but your self will never cease to exist (right?).

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Originally posted by Reborn Outcast

Shadow and Cjais I don't know if you even bothered to read my post at the top of page 3 but I replied about a belief thing...

 

Can you argue with that? I dont' see how MY faith and beliefs aren't a part of myself.

 

How are your opinions different from yourself? Your political standpoint? Yet if I can prove that your opinion is idiotic (idiotic=Showing foolishness [foolishness=Lacking or exhibiting a lack of good sense or judgment; silly: foolish remarks. according to http://www.dictionary.com] or stupidity. according to http://www.dictionary.com), what then?

 

Faith is a lack of "good sense" (sense: A perception or feeling produced by a stimulus; sensation: a sense of fatigue and hunger. http://www.dictionary.com), since it ignores the senses (science).

 

Therefore faith is foolish.

 

So exhibiting faith is exhibiting foolishness.

 

And exhibiting foollishness is idiocy.

 

Therefore any comment exhibiting faith is an idiotic comment, any belief exhibiting faith is an idiotic belief.

 

q.e.d.

 

Originally posted by Reborn Outcast

And Shadow in fact you did insult Christians by saying this...

 

Hmm that sounds like an insult to people who have had an experience with God.

 

I give you this

 

"Neardeath" or "neargod" experiences are both caused by the release of hallucinogens in the brain (fact). So when you experienced your "contact" you were either:

 

1) Suffering from severe stress or trauma.

 

or

 

2) On some heavy **** (crack, pot, or religion* (remember this before you go through the ceiling)).

 

*The opiate of the people, according to Marx.

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You are pushing me. I did NOT threaten a ban because you have a different view. I DID threaten a ban because you are INSULTING a view. That is NOT accepted, as I have Clearly stated. One more, you are out of here.

 

 

Got me?

 

Also Cjais, you should not encourage others to insult other's beliefs. Disagreeing with someone is different then insulting their beliefs. As someone said earlier in this thread, beliefs=the person, for which I agree with that statement.

 

Posted by Cjais

 

I'll be the first to leave.You'll find this forum mod-less

 

 

It will not be mod-less, trust me there. That "I am going to quit" attitude doesn't flow well with me. Quit if you want to. Stay if you want to. Either way, I will not stand for someone insulting another persons beliefs. I do not insult non-christians.I haven't done so in this entire thread. I would like the same courtesy.

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i have my own theory of christianity. and this may upset christains. i am not a christian. anyone who does'nt rush out to accept jesus as their savior is automaticly condemed to hell, nomatter what your moral character is. even if i were to live my life by the ten comandments, i dont lie, i dont steal, cheat, kill ect. if i dont believe in god do i still go to hell? the answer in the bible is a big fat yes. of course if your a christain who has commited violations against god, you can still accept jesus after your crimes and still go to heaven. what sence does that make? apperantly the christain god is just so vain and insecure he has no choice but to burn your flesh in hell for all eternity. fortunately for murderers rapists and child molesters if you choose to be born again and accept jesus in your heart the christain god is very kind and loving. christains can learn a thing or two from a religeous leader. buddha explained to others that human suffering was caused by earthly wants. suffering can be ended by ridding the self of wants. anybody who disagreed with buddha was allowed to do so without buddha continuing to bother them. he did'nt insist on knocking on the doors of those who disagreed with him, to distribute little drawings he made of them suffering in hell for all eternity. he did'nt participate in the writing of a book in which he was depicted as a vengful buddha who enjoyed smighting the wicked with his magic super powers that could flat out the earth, or cause global wide pestulance. i have studyed many religions and found only buddhism to be my only calling. i used to be a christian years ago, and refused to accept certain things. buddha is not a "GOD" he speaks of a god, the creator. but to me buddhism is the universal cosmic brotherhood.

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Beliefs=oneself is actually more of a twisting of words, a long accepted figure of speech that people use.

 

I believe that the sun will rise tomorrow, by your logic, if you said it didn't, it would be attacking me directly. Extreme, but it is what some of you are trying to say.

 

Your beliefs are something that you have acquired in life, rather than "belonging" to you. It is a conscious decision on how to interpret things, so it is no different to that of learning maths or geography.

 

Am I meant to be not accepted because I don't believe in Christianity, or due to that I am no longer of god's image? Do the four surgical screws in my knee no longer make me "pure"? After all, I am no longer all human.......

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Originally posted by obi-wan13

You are pushing me. I did NOT threaten a ban because you have a different view. I DID threaten a ban because you are INSULTING a view. That is NOT accepted, as I have Clearly stated. One more, you are out of here.

 

Insulting a belief, or insulting a person? We've got the English language and the forum rules on our side here, and if you do decide to go through with this, you'll have to ban people who have insulted my beliefs and others, as well. In fact, if you're so concerned about this, you should have banned a dozen people in the swamp who apparently could pass under this rule.

 

Do what you want, but I'll truly call every Christian a hypocrite if you do start to ban people for this.

 

Also Cjais, you should not encourage others to insult other's beliefs.

 

And where did I do just this? You should have known that when you created this forum, it'd attract immature zealots from all over America. I can't ban or do anything about them.

 

I'm simply stating that if you don't like the idea of nasty views on religions getting thrown in your face, don't visit this forum. But we are responsible, mature adults in here, and we generally do back up our claims with sound proof. If I state Christianity is a disgusting, murderous organization, I can prove that with real numbers and numbers of cultures and civilizations it has destroyed or banished. You can try to refute this by saying that those who did it weren't Christians (and I can accept that), but in the end, it was the same organization who contributed to it. Like communism.

 

Disagreeing with someone is different then insulting their beliefs. As someone said earlier in this thread, beliefs=the person, for which I agree with that statement.

 

You agree, yes. It doesn't make it true. But you're in charge, so you can really do whatever you want.

 

We've worked our way down towards the level where kids argue over which console is better - Xbox or PS2? Those are beliefs as well, a bit smaller than full blown religions, but we should respect them as well, no? Only when we start getting into a rational discussion comparing prices, processor speeds and save game choices can we truly assert which console is better, and the same goes for religion.

 

That "I am going to quit" attitude doesn't flow well with me.

 

It was not so much a "I'll damn well quit if this continues", as much as it was an observation on the fact that I'm now the only Mod assigned to this forum (barring the Supermods, o' course).

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Originally posted by BCanr2d2

I believe that the sun will rise tomorrow, by your logic, if you said it didn't, it would be attacking me directly. Extreme, but it is what some of you are trying to say.

 

No we're trying to say taht if I say that your stupid for believing that the sun will rise or that that belief is stupid... thats insulting the person.

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Originally posted by Reborn Outcast

No we're trying to say taht if I say that your stupid for believing that the sun will rise or that that belief is stupid... thats insulting the person.

 

That didn't make sense at all.

 

So I'm insulting the person if I prove he's dead wrong?

 

I'm insulting your beliefs if I prove you're dead wrong?

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Originally posted by Reborn Outcast

No Cjais, I'm trying to say that if I call your belief stupid, I'm insulting you. Also I'm insulting you if I say you're stupid for believing it.

 

No you're not. On both accounts.

 

But I'll call your dubious debating technique stupid if you don't present evidence of me being stupid or living in a fantasy world.

 

A question to the mods: Would you accept if we went after the organizations? Can I say the Christian Church has done horrible, nonsensical deeds, and that its beliefs are abject unreal and disproven long ago? Is that okay?

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OK THIS IS MY THREAD AND HERE'S HOW IT'S GONNA BE!

 

Uhmm..on second thought...I'll try a different approach. :)

 

 

My daddy once told me -

 

....My daddy once told me -

 

STOP LAUGHING and pay attention!

 

*ahem*

 

My daddy once told me:

 

"Feel free to disagree with people's views, but remember: only the issues are fighting, not the people!"

 

I agree with Cjais.

We should be able to debate things without people feeling insulted every time someone says something they don't like or agree on.

 

It was very, very close that I didn't start a new thread a while ago when my entire post was edited, because someone couldn't handle the fact that I used the N-word in a 100% non-racial context. That thread would have surely been locked in no time. It would have been a major pain in the mod's ass. :p

 

But I also agree with Obi-van13 and some others. There's no need to be rude. At some points that fine line was crossed.

 

Saying that you "do not believe in something that can't be proven" is much better than saying: "how can anyone be so retarded, so damn stupid that they believe in ridiculous, idiotic crap like that?!".

 

I'm sure you get my point. Meadfish said it already, but I'll say it again: No need to be rude. :)

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Originally posted by Reborn Outcast

No Cjais, I'm trying to say that if I call your belief stupid, I'm insulting you.

 

Let's see... suppose I postulated the earth is flat. It's a belief, and an obviously false one at that. Should I stand insulted if you called me stupid for believing in such a false postulate? Of course, if you don't present the way the earth really exists, I won't go about believing you - I need real facts to be convinved.

 

Also I'm insulting you if I say you're stupid for believing it.

 

Am I stupid for believing the earth is flat? A resounding "yes".

 

Can you go about calling me stupid without presenting some proof of it? Of course not.

 

Let's try another example: Am I stupid for believing you're being mind controlled by kung fu fighting squirrels from the planet of Gmekzrooos? Can I prove you're wrong? Is it obvious that there's no way to prove it, but that it is equally obvious there's no need to believe that?

 

You provide the answers on this one.

 

EDITAGE: Well put, Luc.

 

Can I call you Jean-Luc? :p It sounds better that way :D

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Originally posted by Cjais

Insulting a belief, or insulting a person? We've got the English language and the forum rules on our side here, and if you do decide to go through with this, you'll have to ban people who have insulted my beliefs and others, as well. In fact, if you're so concerned about this, you should have banned a dozen people in the swamp who apparently could pass under this rule.

 

Give me names, and I will be more the happy to send out a warning PM to the ones who have insulted your beliefs.

 

posted by Cjais

And where did I do just this?

 

"I agree with ShadowTempler, as to be expected"

 

Right there.

 

 

posted by Cjais

 

You should have known that when you created this forum, it'd attract immature zealots from all over America. I can't ban or do anything about them.

 

If they are doing something to insult the way you live,or what you believe yes you can. Inform someone with a higher power on the boards, and the case will be looked in to.

 

You agree, yes. It doesn't make it true. But you're in charge, so you can really do whatever you want.

 

I am surprised you don't agree with me there.Do you live by how you believe?

 

We've worked our way down towards the level where kids argue over which console is better - Xbox or PS2? Those are beliefs as well, a bit smaller than full blown religions, but we should respect them as well, no? Only when we start getting into a rational discussion comparing prices, processor speeds and save game choices can we truly assert which console is better, and the same goes for religion.

 

You have a point there.

 

 

It was not so much a "I'll damn well quit if this continues", as much as it was an observation on the fact that I'm now the only Mod assigned to this forum (barring the Supermods, o' course).

 

My mistake, I misunderstood your post. :cool:

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Originally posted by ninja

religion is too big and too deep an issue. this should have never been a thread. with religion there will always be clashes.

 

If you cannot question that which your fellow humans go about believing, we will truly have some great clashes.

 

The thread was a valid one. If another like it is created in the future, I'm not going to stop that either.

 

I value the freedom of speech much greater than that of a self-censored, immature forum. Make no mistake.

 

But this really is starting to degenerate into petty hatreds for each other.

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