Lord Helmet Posted January 31, 2003 Share Posted January 31, 2003 How do you like this newly described way of becoming a jedi? and I have a couple question/theories... Do you think you can wander around the worlds as a ghost? I'm not sure myself...wonder if you can still play around in that ...form Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DudEhead Posted January 31, 2003 Share Posted January 31, 2003 I've read some posts on the staton and the main hunch/hope is that you'll be able to wander around like Obi-wan did, helping Force sensitive padawans and the like... and only be seen by/ interact with Force sensitive persons... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zendjir Posted February 1, 2003 Share Posted February 1, 2003 Wow, that would be awesome! I really like the system, it's really organic and gets rid of the jedi wannabees that wan't to "0wn AlL with their Skillzzz". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corpocus Posted February 1, 2003 Share Posted February 1, 2003 Do you realy wanna spend the rest of the ONE characters time in the game as a ghost and able to talk to the few force sensetive people? I would imagine it would be a very boring game for you after a few days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Vessen Posted February 1, 2003 Share Posted February 1, 2003 You do have a point, but maybe there is more to it then scaring people and looking up girls dresses. You might be able to fight, probably not but there is always hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaalgoth Posted February 1, 2003 Share Posted February 1, 2003 I like the new idea. I think it would be really fun, and also it might make it possible for all of these Jedi PA's to actually exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam990 Posted February 1, 2003 Share Posted February 1, 2003 I'm a little confused about this Jedi thing, I don't understand the permadeath thing.....and something like only masters become blue gloweys? So if you're not a master then when u die ur just dead. But what do the gloweys do then? fight? walk around knocking peoples hats off? lol I donno what else to ask but can some pease explain this to me in plain english? Cisler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Gaarni Posted February 1, 2003 Share Posted February 1, 2003 Noone knows, and noone will prolly ever know it until someone becomes one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shailoh Posted February 1, 2003 Share Posted February 1, 2003 Let me start by saying I think this is going to be the Greatest MMORPG for a long time. Great Idea, Great Plan, Great Graphics, sorry implimentation of the Jedi. I think this current system is faulty, and will lead to exploits by guilds/associations, keeping the average player from having any hopes of achieving Master Jedi Status. Permadeath. Is going to keep anyone without a few high levels hanging around power levelling and protecting the "fawned jedi" from getting off first base, or achieving any sort of a level. These guild's will have the players the time and the power to trade off with each other and power level the Jedi at will. Flagged force sensitive and only force sensitive people will be able to see/communicate with these Master Blue glowy Jedi. Nice I like this. I hope they re-arrange and make some changes to this system so that it's not going to be a Guild sport, but rather a goal that a extremely dedicated player CAN earn and achieve without the help of anyone other than his/her Jedi master. I would hope that guilds are not able to mass produce these by power levelling. And that safety nurfs are placed on Jedi to prevent this. So if spend the next two years of my on game life earning a Master Jedi, long nights, long long hours played. I wont turn around to see someone starting 3 months ago, getting flagged force sensitive, and power levelled right to where I am by a guild. If thats going to be the case why not just open the flood gates and save the drama. End Perma death and allow anyone starting a Jedi to eventually become a Master Jedi one day. Or make it so that they can't be powerlevelled or buffed by anyone outside their own Jedi master. Good try SOE, but its either too much or not enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Helmet Posted February 1, 2003 Author Share Posted February 1, 2003 um, first of all there are no levels, second of all basically everything you said has been assumptions...that personally i dont think can happen or will happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thew Rydur Posted February 1, 2003 Share Posted February 1, 2003 Yeah, plus how do you expect a Jedi to powerlevel? Running around on Tatooine slicing and dicing womp rats with a lightsaber? I think Jedi leveling with will be done with quests making it much harder to achieve and much harder to get help on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
setsuko Posted February 2, 2003 Share Posted February 2, 2003 I think someone is still stuck in EQ! But fact is, however they do, it is 'wrong'. And no matter how they solve it, people will be bitching about it. Not surprising. Me, I think this is one of the better solutions. Sure, it is highly possible that there will be ways to exploit it. So what? No game mechanism for jedi couldn't be exploited, if you try hard enough. And yes, if those "133t uberguilds" (yet another reason why I think someone is stuck in EW) stand in their backyards and kill ants all day long, who cares? Then at least I don't have to see them when I'm out adventuring across the stars! If someone think that standing in the same spot and kill the same enemy for weeks to gain xp is the best way to enjoy SWG, then let them do it. Myself, I would deem it incredibly boring. Different players want different game experience. And yes, I also think that it is a stupid/boring way to play a mmorpg. But that doesn't mean that I will force my way of playing on everyone else. Point is, let them harvest exp all they want. Go elsewhere. And enjoy the game instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shailoh Posted February 2, 2003 Share Posted February 2, 2003 Sorry, yeah, apologize for the SOE EQ phrases and terms, can't get that damn game out of my head. But lets face it. These are the same guys developing and have already said they are taking alot from that game while developing this one. With that said, while there are no "levels" the term "Power levelled" was mean as this. A higher SKILLED character, using his/her skills or abilities on a lower level character OR the creatures they are encountering to help the lower level gain skills. Not only will this POSITIVELY happen. As the nature of a Jedi and his master, but whats the point of having a Jedi with no melee ability???? Perhaps you'll master the force without any confrontation???? No, there will be confrontation, You will have to fight, and you better bet your behind that if you intend on making it to master stage on a skill tree without a death your gonna need some help. If you didn't, then they wouldn't have even made perma death a issue. The feed back is good, but close your eyes for a second and imagine what is going to be running through your mind while you are 3 months into your Force Sensitive Characters life... You need to go out into a fairly dangerous place, There are bounty hunters who LOVE to put the smack on Jedi and GREATLY outnumber you (and the bounty hunters by the way aren't afraid to keep coming after you till they get you, they wont have perma death, all pay off no risk), and you have 120 hours played, But you also have a few friends with high skill in healing and other things which could insure your 120 hours dont get waisted to a link death or random storm trooper walking by, or some brave bounty hunter looking for a lightsable shave. Hey Im with you guys, Im so excited about this game coming out I dont know what to do with myself. But im one of those guys who has a family and a job and while dedicated will barely be able to cut out 20 hours a week, I dont want to screw someone elses party, but I dont want someone else's party screwing mine. If i put in 1000 hours I would hate to see someone put in 60 and get to the same place because of a guild or association due to powerlevelling. I would believe that the whole point to making the Perma death thing and the force sensitve flagging was to really stop anyone who wasn't serious from becoming a Jedi. I not only appluade that, but wish they could fix every cheat and PLing scheme out there. But this one doesn't shut the door on people getting through without earning it, so far they have just closed the windows, people are gonna test and walk right in the front door of powerlevelling on this one. After reading as much information as I could possibly gather, I can already see some of the "forced grouping" programming coming out. I think this really takes alot from a MMORPG due to the fact you really dont have the freedom to play your character how you want to achieve your goals, alot of the time you have to conform and band up with massive amounts of people who you may or may not know to achieve your goals, and the NATURE of the JEDI is lost, Master and Padiwan, (shake my head) its gonna be Jedi and 4 masters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Helmet Posted February 2, 2003 Author Share Posted February 2, 2003 well the thing is, unless the jedi joina faction....imperial is out of there(if it is realistic)...but jedi then he can kill imperials for meelee xp...or for melee xp he can kill some creatures or duel anyone stupid enoough to duel him...but i still can't see how they would power level it would take just as long to kill something else that fights back then to kill 10 friends who just stand around defensless (hope i didn't give anyone ideas just there)and once they do get to be able to be leet well then they might just get unlucky become a blue glowies AND GUESS WHAT..ALL THEY CAN DO IS FLOAT AROUND SAYING GO TO DAGOBAH..THERE IS A SMELLY OLD PUPPET THERE..GOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red_Apocalypse Posted February 2, 2003 Share Posted February 2, 2003 I really don't care. I'm not going to aspire to be one, so why does it have anything to do with me? Or anyone else for that matter? It's not like anyone will ever make Jedi Master status. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Helmet Posted February 2, 2003 Author Share Posted February 2, 2003 Because some people would like aspire to be one. And some people think its a small possibility that they do achieve it? anymore questions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reborn Outcast Posted February 2, 2003 Share Posted February 2, 2003 Originally posted by Red_Apocalypse It's not like anyone will ever make Jedi Master status. Umm why do you say that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jibbs_05 Posted February 2, 2003 Share Posted February 2, 2003 I bet that if anything, there will be more Jedi Masters than LucasArts expects. Just think about all the time people spend on MMORPGs now, and the number of people and amount of time and effort will only grow. But no one will really know until the game is released, so your guesses are as good as mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thew Rydur Posted February 2, 2003 Share Posted February 2, 2003 Originally posted by Reborn Outcast Umm why do you say that? Because Jedi have perma death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zendjir Posted February 2, 2003 Share Posted February 2, 2003 A jedi is hunted throughout the galaxy if it is known he is one. So if you join some guild when you go force sensitive, and go around "power leveling" (don't think that can be done easy with a jedi), some bounty hunter will get to know about it. The next minute you know it you will have 20 bounty hunter PA's looking for you. As a Jedi, you should blend into the crowd, not letting evryone know that you are a jedi. All the jedi in Ep 4,5,6 live in secrecy, they wont let alot of people know they exist. I think it will be just the same in-game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shailoh Posted February 2, 2003 Share Posted February 2, 2003 Hey Zen you know, I THINK thats how its supposed to be, honestly if it was that way it would be great. But here is what I want you to consider when factoring in the Bounty Hunter in the Jedi Population. On the bounty hunter side, its all reward no risk. You turn in a Jedi or kill one, you get your reward, and if you die in the process no biggy come back and try again, there is no perma death for you. Pa's after you? 20 of them jogging up your street to eat your lunch for you? Tuck in your light saber and log, or change locations fast. Once that first hunter hits and you survive he's bound to come back, and maybe with help this time. I saw why risk it. Just make a safe relocate and continue with your day. Your going to be hunted every day because your are Jedi and evasion will have to be a well known technique to survive. On the Jedi side. Jedi's are supposed to be made strong enough it would take a group of bounty hunters to take one down, and a Master would be on somewhere in the dont even attempt without Raid strenght range. And consider this. Your a brave bounty hunter, gonna take down a Jedi, who is not only probably twinked to the teeth, but also through the skills of those PLing, buffed to the teeth to maximize his abilities, with a healer readily available, Your chances of perma deathing this person are low to none, maybe if it was a fair fight and you were a twink yourself. But you better come with your own healer and some extra help if you wanna take down this Jedi, or it's gonna be like sticking your binkie in a blender, Your gonna be having nightmares of lightsaber flashes and body parts hitting the floor for weeks after that encounter. I assure you that if you came after me for a bounty, You'd have light saber burns in places you didn't even know you had. If I was a bounty hunter, I'd look for signs that someone for force sensitive trying to "blend in" You know.... standing around all goofy talking to imaginary blue glowies... things floating around, building a light saber or even looking for parts, wearing a light saber or jedi garb, or any use of the force in practicing the skill would notify me this person could probably be force sensitive, and a Jedi then I would go after them. From what I understand that everyone else will be safe from a PVP style attack from a Bounty Hunter unless you have a bounty on your head or you are a Jedi. (now if you have more info on this please post) I suppose walking through and clicking some sort of attack on people walking by would not be the brightest Idea, to check to see if someone is force sensitive or possibly a Jedi. Probably would more than likely end up with a empty space where my arm used to be, but I can see that as being a quick way to check. I intend on doing whatever it takes to earn a Master Jedi, and to start Im going to be a bounty hunter, not that I have really any interest in bounty hunting, but rather to understand the hunter so I will know the best way to kill one, understand the armor and skills to a point that when I see one coming I can gauge there strength after a few seconds of combat and possibly flee if neccesary or permanantly discourage this person from attempting to collect bounty on me again. I honestly can't call it. All I can go by is what I've read over the last 2 or so years during this long long long developement process, I'd hate to see the Jedi owned by huge groups, and used to powerlevel. Something inside of me wants this game to hold somewhat true to the Starwars universe and make it a personal struggle/journey with only the help of your master to become a Jedi, and even then even a great jedi one of the strongest could fail and fall to the Dark Side. And the way things look, the system has been set so that in order to achieve the Master Jedi Status you are going to have to have to jump through some extreme hoops and probably need the help of more than just your Master to achieve this goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SERISS Posted February 2, 2003 Share Posted February 2, 2003 As for jedi, I don't want to be as strong as Vader or Luke....but, what I think of a jedi in these times is a person that gets some small amounts of force abilities...... on a sclae of 1-18 1 being very weak and 18 being as strong as you can get.... yoda being 18 emporer is 17 vader 16 luke and obi won 15 the jedi I want will be a 4-5 maybe tops, 3-4 even small amouts of power...not full jedi, I wanted to lern to craft a lightsaber and lern jedi lore and the like, not be all powerfull........... just small amounts, and the powers should be capped I think, at these time no one should get as strong as Luke or Vader...but very small amouts of certain areas, not all the powers either, only some skill depending on you actions. everyone should get to play the way they want, yes you can be a Force useing, use a lightsaber, use some forse powers, not great but some nice ones...but still rely on all your other skills also...like luke in Empire strikes back before he trained under yoda........ but if permadeath stays i think if oyu get killed by a Jedi then you permadeath too, make ppl not want to fight Jedi either........ cause if a bounty hunter attacks you and you kill him, he gets cloned and comes at you till he kills you......and that is just cheap!!!! but if he would suffer permadeath too, then he would think hard and long before trying to take you down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zendjir Posted February 2, 2003 Share Posted February 2, 2003 permadeathing regular players? nah. The permadeath is a system to keep the jedi numbers under control, nothing else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wraith 8 Posted February 2, 2003 Share Posted February 2, 2003 i just want to quote a pease of Holocron. (the developer) The new slot is on the same server as the character which unlocked the Jedi slot. Most of you will never make it to blue glowy. You'll die. Trust me. If we do it right, most of you will never make it to Padawan. -Raph Koster Creative Director now if you realy all want to be jedi. go ahead.. im not stopping you. but let me just say.. if people had read the GREAT JEDI thread from almost a year ago now.. you could have seen how we were right but im not trying to discourage any of you... just stating my mind and trying to help out.. My thought about this whole jedi news.... i think it is great. to many jedi wouyld have screwed up the time line. my 2 cents -Wraith 8- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SERISS Posted February 4, 2003 Share Posted February 4, 2003 Take out all PvsP I would go to the non PvsP server, I couldn't care less about owning all, I want to play a jedi to play a jedi.....to learn jedi lore and to learn how to build my lightsaber and exsperiment with diff colors of blades......i want to learn to heal others and be a JEDI!!! not for PvsP perpose at all...... why do ppl assume that because i want a Jedi char, I want to own all, I just want to Roleplay him and be a jedi...thats it....take PvsP i don't really care about it. if I wanted all PvsP i would stay with DAoC and PvsP there all day long......... i am here to get a blaster and a lightsaber and cut down stormtroopes and heal the hurt all in the name of the force and for the greater good. <---what I did when perma-death came in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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