[KOC]Qui-Zan Posted February 12, 2003 Share Posted February 12, 2003 I personally really hate bullies, they create misery. Speaking from personal expericence it isn't at all nice to be bullied. If you have ever (properly) bullied someone, then i pity you. Whats your opinion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoguePhotonic Posted February 12, 2003 Share Posted February 12, 2003 The way I see it if you are not willing to stand up for yourself then you are willing to be bullied... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[KOC]Qui-Zan Posted February 12, 2003 Author Share Posted February 12, 2003 Originally posted by RoguePhotonic The way I see it if you are not willing to stand up for yourself then you are willing to be bullied... Two questions: Ever been bullied? Ever Bullied? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoguePhotonic Posted February 12, 2003 Share Posted February 12, 2003 Yeah I have been....and since he was twice my size I got a baseball bat:D And no never bullied anyone....can't see the point..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
__CKY__ Posted February 12, 2003 Share Posted February 12, 2003 Exactly if you are willing to let them bully you then maybe you should be picked on lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandalorian54 Posted February 12, 2003 Share Posted February 12, 2003 no bullying is not right, of course it's wrong. I never really had a problem with bullying though. But my pastor did, he had like 20 escape routs from his school. but one day, he said to the bully that even if the bully punched him he would not hit him back because it was wrong. The bully punched him and when he didn't puch back they became friends. And that bully said if anyone ever hurt my pastor he would beat them up. bullys just don't know how to express themselves, and they usually have abusive fathers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoguePhotonic Posted February 13, 2003 Share Posted February 13, 2003 Originally posted by __CKY__ Exactly if you are willing to let them bully you then maybe you should be picked on lol You missed my point....I was getting bullied so I kicked his ass....if you do nothin then well....your fault.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted February 13, 2003 Share Posted February 13, 2003 Originally posted by RoguePhotonic The way I see it if you are not willing to stand up for yourself then you are willing to be bullied... That's a horrible thing to say. Bullying is wrong, no two ways about it. Nobody has the right to make another human being feel inferior or worthless just because they are different, or small, or "nerdy" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daring dueler Posted February 13, 2003 Share Posted February 13, 2003 i agree with rouguephotonic or whatever his name is. i think he makes a good point but ive been "bulied" not badly though but i do know what its like and i admit there is one kid whom i pik fun at and im not sure why, i call him glossy cuz hes shiny ,now im not a bully but its mean i must admit.im not sure why i do that but i am no bully i cant even make myself torment people . when i was bullied the most that happened was they called me gay chronicaly and finally i gave up fighting it and they stiopped i have never been beaten up or anthing, and i find my self sympathetic for those who are bullied but if all they do is whine about it , im not saying they deserve it noone does, but they are askin for it if they do nothin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munik Posted February 13, 2003 Share Posted February 13, 2003 Yeah it's wrong, but it won't happen if you don't let it happen. This is a unique thing. People bully others because other people let them bully them. If you didn't let someone bully you, then you wouldn't be bullied. Simple as that. It's a mutual thing, to bully and to be bullied. Best advice is grow a sac and do something about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reborn Outcast Posted February 13, 2003 Share Posted February 13, 2003 Of course it right. Its good to weed out all the stupid meek and nerdy people and let only the strong survive... (I hope you caught the sarcasm.) Of course bullying is wrong. But don't beat the bully up until you've tried settling it in others ways first such as talking to him/her or your boss or principle or whatever. If none of that works, beat him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daring dueler Posted February 13, 2003 Share Posted February 13, 2003 we have a guidence councler were supposed to tell-plus they used to say get a group of frinds to confront him they can work but arnt as effective as a good ol' beat down:p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinWalker Posted February 13, 2003 Share Posted February 13, 2003 People who bully others are generally attempting to compensate for some loss of power somewhere else. Perhaps they have an abusive or neglecting parent. Perhaps they've always been last and discovered that they have a size advantage over small, more physically weak individuals. These people only have physical power and lack intellectual power. Or they may have emotional power over another, but still lack any sense of honor. If one is being bullied, one may indeed encourage the behavior by not standing up for oneself. But, by no means, does this mean the bullying is acceptable. Bully's are dishonorable slugs of humanity, but worthy of pity for the sadness in their lives. Still..... I like to see a bully get his @ss kicked once in a while, too. SkinWalker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowTemplar Posted February 13, 2003 Share Posted February 13, 2003 Bullying is a complex problem: 1) You can't just kick the bully's arse, because then you'll have an angry parent fileing a police report in no time flat. And it doesn't matter how much bullying you've suffered; if you beat him up (even assuming that he doesn't gather all of his friends and take revenge) it's your butt that the cops will bust. 2) Many bullies are case-book psychos. You can't talk sense into them. 3) Gang-structures are almost impossible to break. Conclusion: Prevent (by maintaining strict diciplin), because you can't cure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc Solar Posted February 13, 2003 Share Posted February 13, 2003 That's like asking "is beating someone to death right or wrong"? Of course it's not any less wrong even if you could do something about it. Bullying is pathetic. Personally I've never really been bullied (it's not like anyone could've beaten me up ), but I know people who have...and it can scar you for life. Teachers should do something about it. And I mean REALLY do something about it. Bullying is something that would not exist if teachers did their job right. Bring in humiliating punishments! Isn't there some judge in the US who makes people do all sorts of stuff? --> walk around town carrying a big sign that sais: "I am a DRUNK DRIVER and a LITTLE GIRL almost got KILLED because of my actions! Please SPIT on me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowTemplar Posted February 13, 2003 Share Posted February 13, 2003 Originally posted by Luc Solar Teachers should do something about it. And I mean REALLY do something about it. Bullying is something that would not exist if teachers did their job right. The lowest norm sets the standard. If the parents tell their kids that the teachers can kiss their hairy butts, then the kids won't respect the teachers... But way too often it's the teachers who teach the kids that they can behave any way they want and then those same teachers come crying to the parents... Talk about hypocracy. Originally posted by Luc Solar Bring in humiliating punishments! Isn't there some judge in the US who makes people do all sorts of stuff? --> walk around town carrying a big sign that sais: "I am a DRUNK DRIVER and a LITTLE GIRL almost got KILLED because of my actions! Please SPIT on me! That is just Dark Age... One of the benefits of living in a democracy is that that kind of punishment is taboo. And I will not give up the benefits of democracy because of bullies. They simply aren't worth it. Personally I'm more for containment: Simply keep the bullies on the school for a couple of hours longer than they otherwise were supposed to. This will serve as both protection and deterrent (because if they sit in the school until 5 o'clock in the afternoon then they can't get to work, and then they loose in pocketmoney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FunClown Posted February 13, 2003 Share Posted February 13, 2003 I don't like bullying either. I've never really been bullied before since I always had really tough people who would be willing to defend me and I would do the same for them. My school had 1800 students and basically everyone watched out for each other. If people were getting bullied you wouldn't just do nothing. It was interesting actually, we sort of had unwritten pacts with the people near us. When me and a few friends were playing marbles one morning (I was in grade 11 ) these big grade 12'vers started throwing there football at us. We just kind of ignored them, but they kept doing it. However, the Yugoslavs who sat near us said if they did it again they would help us and the homies at the basketball courts said the same. So thats kind of how it worked, you watch out for each other. But any nazis at the school got no such help. Here's a question. What happens when its the teachers making the threats? EDIT: I would suggest those people making excuses for bullies and giving us the old sad story tell us why bullies are so justified? As opposed to making the same old 'poor me' excuses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShockV1.89 Posted February 13, 2003 Share Posted February 13, 2003 Teachers should do something about it. And I mean REALLY do something about it. Bullying is something that would not exist if teachers did their job right. Oh, I do things about it. My kids know that if I catch them bullying ANYBODY at ANY TIME, they will be punished beyond belief. The problem is catching them. A lot of these kids are sneaky, and bully in ways that are either subtle and unseen by anyone but the bully (often in the halls between classes) and the recipient... or it's done in a way that doesnt, at first glance, seem like bullying. I can usually catch the second one (i know I liar when I see one), but the first one is tough. I was bullied at an early age. I never really stood up for myself, and as a result, I went through a lot of rough years. I agree that kids should stand up to bullies. But it's very difficult to do when half the class decides that the "in-thing" to do is pick on this kid here. Asking a 9 yr old kid to stand up to 15 kids is pretty outrageous. But now I cna give back a little. As a teacher who's experienced it, I can see it when it happens, and at least make my class a safe haven for the bullied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowTemplar Posted February 13, 2003 Share Posted February 13, 2003 Originally posted by ShockV1.89 But now I cna give back a little. As a teacher who's experienced it, I can see it when it happens, and at least make my class a safe haven for the bullied. More power to you. But the saddest thing is that many teachers are loath to get off their fat butts to do something. And unless the school has a strong leadership, those who do something risk getting bullied by their collegues (I've seen this happen, so don't call me a conspiracy theorist). Here's a question. What happens when its the teachers making the threats? That's next to impossible to counteract. EDIT: I would suggest those people making excuses for bullies and giving us the old sad story tell us why bullies are so justified? As opposed to making the same old 'poor me' excuses. Soo right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
griff38 Posted February 13, 2003 Share Posted February 13, 2003 They keep you on your toes! Just kidding I hate bulles, I was bullied so bad in the 9th grade I failed a class. (1rst & last time) He was 22 and in the 9th grade (go figure), even the coaches and teachers got out of his way. I eventually joined the Marines at 17 (go figure) and now I am BullysBane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinWalker Posted February 13, 2003 Share Posted February 13, 2003 Bullies aren't just kids. A bully is anyone who abuses their power or authority over other people. Some people are minor bullies, some people are mega-bullies. In my line of work I see both kids and adult bullies. The adults usually bully kids, but sometimes its other adults. I firmly believe that more than a few teachers are in their profession because of the power they can have over a less powerful group of people (students). They enjoy the feeling of creating, setting and enforcing rules as they see fit. They stick out becuase they are frequently unfair and inconsistent. I've known, and know now, people who work with juveniles that will be extremely firm with the kids they know will respond with submission, but never say a word to the kids they know will respond with defiance. Unless, that is I, or some other, experienced staff member is around. If it's me, they're usually in for a disappointment. I'll support their observation of a rules violation, but they will still have to sort it out with that kid. Power. Status. These concepts are universal with humans. Some people seek status in honorable ways, some try to take it. A dictator will rule a country with fear through execution and physical torture. A dictator can rule a classroom or a workplace with fear of expulsion and mental torture. Standing up to a bully could mean acting professionally. Don't give reason for them to point out mistakes you can control. Standing up to physical bullies could mean self defense. SkinWalker and his $.02 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandalorian54 Posted February 13, 2003 Share Posted February 13, 2003 The way I see it if you are not willing to stand up for yourself then you are willing to be bullied... dude this isn't the fiftys man. we don' t tell people that they brought it apon themselves when bad stuff happens to them. bullying usually starts when kids are young, and you know kids, almost no disernment, they don't realize they are hurting other kids feelings. And at that age kids who get bullyed really can't defend themselves. then they grow up to be pathetic nerdy wimps. It's a normal cycle of life it's not that hard to grasp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoguePhotonic Posted February 13, 2003 Share Posted February 13, 2003 Yeah not the fifty's...we have that new system of raising weak and pathetic people....people that cannot handle conflict...I kinda forgot about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted February 14, 2003 Share Posted February 14, 2003 Originally posted by RoguePhotonic Yeah not the fifty's...we have that new system of raising weak and pathetic people....people that cannot handle conflict...I kinda forgot about that. Right, make the kids defend themselves, it's good for the smallest kid in class to get the crap beat out of him so much when he's young that he has a ruined self-image and strong feeling of worthlessness. Heck, let's just let it continue all through school and maybe he'll end up feeling so horrible that he'll commit suicide! [/immense sarcasm] I was actually never really bullied, but i still think that it's not up to the kids to handle bullying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FunClown Posted February 14, 2003 Share Posted February 14, 2003 Yeah not the fifty's...we have that new system of raising weak and pathetic people....people that cannot handle conflict...I kinda forgot about that. Feeling tough now?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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