ShockV1.89 Posted February 21, 2003 Share Posted February 21, 2003 I mentioned the new Black Panther Party in another thread, and that prompted me to go check out their website. I wasnt terribly surprised at what I found. http://www.blackpanther.org They have something called a "Ten Point Program." I figured I'd list it and give my thoughts on each point. Please, feel free to do the same and discuss it. I'm curious to see if you feel the same way I do. http://www.blackpanther.org/TenPoint.htm 1. WE WANT FREEDOM. WE WANT POWER TO DETERMINE THE DESTINY OF OUR BLACK AND OPPRESSED COMMUNITIES. We believe that Black and oppressed people will not be free until we are able to determine our destinies in our own communities ourselves, by fully controlling all the institutions which exist in our communities. So basically, instead of an all white controlled society, you want an all black controlled society? Freedom is good, and I agree that you should have freedom. But what you ask here will make you no better than the people you are trying to (actually, ALREADY DID) throw off. 2. WE WANT FULL EMPLOYMENT FOR OUR PEOPLE. We believe that the federal government is responsible and obligated to give every person employment or a guaranteed income. We believe that if the American businessmen will not give full employment, then the technology and means of production should be taken from the businessmen and placed in the community so that the people of the community can organize and employ all of its people and give a high standard of living. You mean, if a businessman doesnt give you a job, his business should be taken away from him? Ever think maybe you werent qualified? 3. WE WANT AN END TO THE ROBBERY BY THE CAPITALISTS OF OUR BLACK AND OPPRESSED COMMUNITIES. We believe that this racist government has robbed us and now we are demanding the overdue debt of forty acres and two mules. Forty acres and two mules were promised 100 years ago as restitution for slave labor and mass murder of Black people. We will accept the payment in currency which will be distributed to our many communities. The American racist has taken part in the slaughter of our fifty million Black people. Therefore, we feel this is a modest demand that we make. Nuh uh. Were the mules and acres of land promised to YOU? No. Did the government of TODAY and the white people of TODAY have anything to do with slavery? NO. Now quit whining... it's a stupid demand you make... 4. WE WANT DECENT HOUSING, FIT FOR THE SHELTER OF HUMAN BEINGS. We believe that if the landlords will not give decent housing to our Black and oppressed communities, then housing and the land should be made into cooperatives so that the people in our communities, with government aid, can build and make decent housing for the people. You want more housing projects? Do you really want to be known as the people who couldnt make it without the government giving you extra help al the time? I'd be insulted, personally... 5. WE WANT DECENT EDUCATION FOR OUR PEOPLE THAT EXPOSES THE TRUE NATURE OF THIS DECADENT AMERICAN SOCIETY. WE WANT EDUCATION THAT TEACHES US OUR TRUE HISTORY AND OUR ROLE IN THE PRESENT-DAY SOCIETY. We believe in an educational system that will give to our people a knowledge of the self. If you do not have knowledge of yourself and your position in the society and in the world, then you will have little chance to know anything else. Fair enough. I think "decadent american society" is pushing it. Sure, we've made mistakes and we're sorry. But every nation makes mistakes... 6. WE WANT COMPLETELY FREE HEALTH CARE FOR All BLACK AND OPPRESSED PEOPLE. We believe that the government must provide, free of charge, for the people, health facilities which will not only treat our illnesses, most of which have come about as a result of our oppression, but which will also develop preventive medical programs to guarantee our future survival. We believe that mass health education and research programs must be developed to give all Black and oppressed people access to advanced scientific and medical information, so we may provide our selves with proper medical attention and care. What?!? How about... no. Get health insurance like everyone else. It's not the governments fault you got a cold or chlamydia or fell down and broke your ankle. Thats really retarded, and racist, at that... 7. WE WANT AN IMMEDIATE END TO POLICE BRUTALITY AND MURDER OF BLACK PEOPLE, OTHER PEOPLE OF COLOR, All OPPRESSED PEOPLE INSIDE THE UNITED STATES. We believe that the racist and fascist government of the United States uses its domestic enforcement agencies to carry out its program of oppression against black people, other people of color and poor people inside the united States. We believe it is our right, therefore, to defend ourselves against such armed forces and that all Black and oppressed people should be armed for self defense of our homes and communities against these fascist police forces. Fair enough. Police brutality isnt good. But arming yourself against them isnt wise, too many people will use this as an excuse to blow away some poor cop. 8. WE WANT AN IMMEDIATE END TO ALL WARS OF AGGRESSION. We believe that the various conflicts which exist around the world stem directly from the aggressive desire of the United States ruling circle and government to force its domination upon the oppressed people of the world. We believe that if the United States government or its lackeys do not cease these aggressive wars it is the right of the people to defend themselves by any means necessary against their aggressors. Yes, the USA is responsible for every single war thats going on today. Every single one. There isnt a single little fight going on that didnt result from a US plot to destroy the world... 9. WE WANT FREEDOM FOR ALL BLACK AND OPPRESSED PEOPLE NOW HELD IN U. S. FEDERAL, STATE, COUNTY, CITY AND MILITARY PRISONS AND JAILS. WE WANT TRIALS BY A JURY OF PEERS FOR All PERSONS CHARGED WITH SO-CALLED CRIMES UNDER THE LAWS OF THIS COUNTRY. We believe that the many Black and poor oppressed people now held in United States prisons and jails have not received fair and impartial trials under a racist and fascist judicial system and should be free from incarceration. We believe in the ultimate elimination of all wretched, inhuman penal institutions, because the masses of men and women imprisoned inside the United States or by the United States military are the victims of oppressive conditions which are the real cause of their imprisonment. We believe that when persons are brought to trial they must be guaranteed, by the United States, juries of their peers, attorneys of their choice and freedom from imprisonment while awaiting trial. LMAO I dont suppose it ever occured to you that many of them probably did commit crimes? Would you like that serial rapist or gangbanger back out on the street? What about when he comes after you? Hmmm? 10. WE WANT LAND, BREAD, HOUSING, EDUCATION, CLOTHING, JUSTICE, PEACE AND PEOPLE'S COMMUNITY CONTROL OF MODERN TECHNOLOGY. Fine. EARN IT. God, I hate racists.. all of them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wassup Posted February 21, 2003 Share Posted February 21, 2003 Partly true, partly fanatic. Blacks do deserve better treatment in this country, but what they are asking is sorta too much, though some of the things they ask for they do deserve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
__CKY__ Posted February 21, 2003 Share Posted February 21, 2003 I really don't wanna put ym views down because if i did i believe i woud be banned but to shorten something to not ebing banned If i ws in charge the blacks would be in slavery still. and on those views those are piecesof **** they fought to be = now they want special treatment? bah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wassup Posted February 21, 2003 Share Posted February 21, 2003 If i ws in charge the blacks would be in slavery still. Why?! All people deserve their right to be free, however some privileges the Black Panther are asking for are just that - privileges that need to be earned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShockV1.89 Posted February 21, 2003 Author Share Posted February 21, 2003 Originally posted by __CKY__ I really don't wanna put ym views down because if i did i believe i woud be banned but to shorten something to not ebing banned If i ws in charge the blacks would be in slavery still. *winces, hands CKY a flame retardent shield* Was nice knowing you... By no means do I want black people to have any fewer rights than anyone. So some of their views, I do agree with. I do agree that they deserve the freedom to decide their own destinies. But it's their methods, which smack of black supremicisim and fanataticism, that I disagree with. That one where all black people in prison should be released... truly ridicuous... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breton Posted February 21, 2003 Share Posted February 21, 2003 What kind of idiot wrote that? Just because a people got oppressed hundreds of years ago doesn't mean that they should be allowed to oppress other people today. Equal rights for everyone. And there are those who actually thinks there is no such thing as black rascism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reborn Outcast Posted February 21, 2003 Share Posted February 21, 2003 Bah those people who wrote that are crazy in the head. Just remember, don't judge the entire black people by the actions of these few. Some of those demands would have seemed fair fi they hadn't twisted things around in it such as the housing and schooling part. #2 got me infuriated. I will not have some dumbass white or black person who has never gone to school in his life, take away the business of someone because they are to stupid to get in. Originally posted by __CKY__ If i ws in charge the blacks would be in slavery still. Why would you ever say this. EVERY human being, whether black, white, indian, arab, asian, mexican etc. deserves FAIR AND JUST treatment. If you were in charge the country you were ruling would fall apart because of your own stupididty because the people would revolt. I wonder if you would be saying the same thing if the white people had been put into slavery... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greedo626 Posted February 21, 2003 Share Posted February 21, 2003 hmmm, sounds a bit racist to me. WE WANT COMPLETELY FREE HEALTH CARE FOR All BLACK AND OPPRESSED PEOPLE. what about non-oppressed poor people (i.e. lower class white people). and some black people can actually afford health care(gasp:eek: ) . We believe that the government must provide, free of charge, for the people, health facilities which will not only treat our illnesses, most of which have come about as a result of our oppression, but which will also develop preventive medical programs to guarantee our future survival. wtf? WE WANT FREEDOM FOR ALL BLACK AND OPPRESSED PEOPLE NOW HELD IN U. S. FEDERAL, STATE, COUNTY, CITY AND MILITARY PRISONS AND JAILS. this sounds like a really good idea:rolleyes: . I think all people are equal no matter what the color of their skin is, and that racism is stupid. but the black panthers, like the KKK, is a racist organization. if we had fewer of these groups that spawn hatred for other races and religions, we might just be able to live peacefully with each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratmjedi Posted February 23, 2003 Share Posted February 23, 2003 I'm tired of hearing that from people. You were oppressed how long ago? Stop using it already. People just get lazier every day and just cause I am black I am going to get whatever I want cause the country screwed with my ancestors a while back. Why don't we give Jew's, Japenese, and every other race that has been oppresed before a break huh? If they want help they should earn and stop asking for hand outs. There are black's that I know that if they read this they would fall and die. They worked for everything that they have achieved and did not accept hand me outs. They are going against what some of there ancestors did by doing nothing but asking when they worked hard and for everything that they earned. People need to stop living in the past and actually join society and help it instead of being lazy and not contributing to it. I am hispanic and I could say the same thing cause they kicked out mexican's from California and now I am pissed and I want free everything. Jeez people are so lazy now a day's and just want stuff handed to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obi Posted February 23, 2003 Share Posted February 23, 2003 These people are idiots. What they fail to realize is that equality has been achieved... many adult black people in my state are stupid. They think that just because their ancestors were slaves, then they have the right to do whatever they want. I haven't heard of the jews hell-hacking the Egyptions...... Anyway, they have it MADE down here. They get just about whatever they want. INCLUDING government housing, and food stamps. They sit on their duffs and get free money while my mother goes and does tons of paper work, and my dad goes to do power-line worker work. He got seriously injured doing that work too. He did it to support our family. 70% of the blacks down here do not have to work. At all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkum Posted February 25, 2003 Share Posted February 25, 2003 ok, can we say racist bastards?? theyre jsut like the KKK. i also dont like the fact tha tthey calll oru governemtn racist and fascist. im not white, im paki. i dont think that i should jsut sit around and watch ppl give me stufff, no, i gotta work hard ot get waht iwant. that way, i contribute to society and contribute to my well-being. and _CKY_, you awnt to put blacks int oslavery again? im convinced that ur a KKK memebr now. if i was president of this country, the only change i would make is the amount of work kids in high school get these days. it s OK if u give them homewokr, but not SOOOOOOO much. lots of kids are depressed these days becasue of school and other things they have to worry aobut. (i had 36 hours of homework this weekend, no joke. i am soooooooooo going to insane one of these days, im jsut gonna scream and keel over.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munik Posted February 25, 2003 Share Posted February 25, 2003 A lot of those points have to deal with a socialist or communist form of society. A capitilist situation doesn't seem beneficial to them. It seems like an anti-government platform more then anti-white. Maybe the new black panther party should be informed that their hard line black power ideas are pretty damn similiar to those of some middle class white college kids. I like the free health care idea. I don't like it enough to move to Canada, though. Like it was mentioned before, get a job and pay for insurance if you're worried about it. I don't believe _CKY_ is too far out of line. It's his perogative, if that's how he feels, fine. Maybe if you took time out of your enlightened life to remember, slavery has been around forever. And it's still around. Yes, even here in the States. Just 'cause it's illegal does not mean it doesn't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowTemplar Posted February 25, 2003 Share Posted February 25, 2003 ShockV1.89 Sith Lord So basically, instead of an all white controlled society, you want an all black controlled society? Freedom is good, and I agree that you should have freedom. But what you ask here will make you no better than the people you are trying to (actually, ALREADY DID) throw off. Right. You mean, if a businessman doesnt give you a job, his business should be taken away from him? Ever think maybe you werent qualified? No, they mean full employment to the proletariate, methinks... Which isn't gonna happen in this universe. Nuh uh. Were the mules and acres of land promised to YOU? No. Did the government of TODAY and the white people of TODAY have anything to do with slavery? NO. Now quit whining... it's a stupid demand you make... Nah, not quite... They have a point, actually, in that blacks never were given a chance. You want more housing projects? Do you really want to be known as the people who couldnt make it without the government giving you extra help al the time? I'd be insulted, personally... I disagree. The government should make sure that everyone is offered a decent house, decent education (more on which later), ect. But then again, I come from a country where we don't mind paying more than 50% tax (well, we actually do mind, but not enough to wield the knife of cutbacks in the public service sector). quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5. WE WANT DECENT EDUCATION FOR OUR PEOPLE THAT EXPOSES THE TRUE NATURE OF THIS DECADENT AMERICAN SOCIETY. WE WANT EDUCATION THAT TEACHES US OUR TRUE HISTORY AND OUR ROLE IN THE PRESENT-DAY SOCIETY. We believe in an educational system that will give to our people a knowledge of the self. If you do not have knowledge of yourself and your position in the society and in the world, then you will have little chance to know anything else. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fair enough. I think "decadent american society" is pushing it. Sure, we've made mistakes and we're sorry. But every nation makes mistakes... I don't think that it's 'fair enough'. Everyone should, as I said before, have education. However, when you start using words like "give to our people a knowledge of the self" and "TRUE HISTORY", it rings some bells in my head that say "case-book seperatism". I think that they sound an awful lot like the 'we are superior to everyone else' teachings that you find in church, sunday school, al Queda, Nazism, and other facistic ideologies. What should be done is furnish the blacks (are you allowed to say that, or is there a more politically correct term? Living in Europe I don't quite know the most recent developments in the American language) with a proper education that includes all the essential elements for success and enlightenment (Physics, Biology, Logic, Statistics, English, Chemestry, 2nd language, History (preferably written by someone who is able to put himself above petty racial/religious/political bickerings), and Math). And make sure that the teachers are qualified. Most good teachers refuse to teach in the 'low-esteem' neighbourhoods, which, coincidentially, are black (or so I read). What?!? How about... no. Get health insurance like everyone else. It's not the governments fault you got a cold or chlamydia or fell down and broke your ankle. Thats really retarded, and racist, at that... I disagree with you here. I believe that everyone should be able to get free health care (including dental care, but excluding psychotherapy, and the like (and, naturally, also excluding such silly things as 'crystal healers', exorcists, ect). But everyone should benefit from that right, not just blacks. quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7. WE WANT AN IMMEDIATE END TO POLICE BRUTALITY AND MURDER OF BLACK PEOPLE, OTHER PEOPLE OF COLOR, All OPPRESSED PEOPLE INSIDE THE UNITED STATES. We believe that the racist and fascist government of the United States uses its domestic enforcement agencies to carry out its program of oppression against black people, other people of color and poor people inside the united States. We believe it is our right, therefore, to defend ourselves against such armed forces and that all Black and oppressed people should be armed for self defense of our homes and communities against these fascist police forces. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- What they are suggesting is armed rebellion, to which the proper response would be a military one. May they never achieve this particular goal. quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8. WE WANT AN IMMEDIATE END TO ALL WARS OF AGGRESSION. We believe that the various conflicts which exist around the world stem directly from the aggressive desire of the United States ruling circle and government to force its domination upon the oppressed people of the world. We believe that if the United States government or its lackeys do not cease these aggressive wars it is the right of the people to defend themselves by any means necessary against their aggressors. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- And this is their capital mistake, so to speak. This speaks of an unenlightened mind, that has a black and white world veiw (no pun intended). And "any means necessary" is just plain scary. That includes bombings, vandalism, hijacking, and biological, nuclear, and chemical weapons of mass destruction, you name it. LMAO I dont suppose it ever occured to you that many of them probably did commit crimes? Would you like that serial rapist or gangbanger back out on the street? What about when he comes after you? Hmmm? Actually the majority of miscarriages of justice is agains black people, so they do have some kind of point, but again they take it to the extreme where it becomes worthless. Reborn Outcast Fear me Donate credits (go figure... sorry, but I've wanted to say that ever since that feature got up) quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We believe that the government must provide, free of charge, for the people, health facilities which will not only treat our illnesses, most of which have come about as a result of our oppression, but which will also develop preventive medical programs to guarantee our future survival. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- wtf? They probably refer to the urban myth that the CIA created HIV. obi-wan13 Hawkeye These people are idiots. What they fail to realize is that equality has been achieved... Naw, it hasn't. Discrimination is still rife and governmentally supported. I haven't heard of the jews hell-hacking the Egyptions...... I believe that's Egyptians. Anyway, no. The Jews don't hack on the Egyptians, but Judeaism does hack on the German. And to such an extend that it has convinced most people that everyone killed in the KZ camps were Jews... Oh, and Israel, which has proclaimed itself to be Judeaism's state (kinda like Vatican City, and about as legitimate), is running over Palestinians and stealing Palestinian, Syrian, and Libanese land with those shiny, new, American tanks you sold them at cutrate prices. Anyway, they have it MADE down here. They get just about whatever they want. INCLUDING government housing, and food stamps. They sit on their duffs and get free money while my mother goes and does tons of paper work, and my dad goes to do power-line worker work. He got seriously injured doing that work too. He did it to support our family. 70% of the blacks down here do not have to work. At all. Did it strike you that maybe they can't get a job? Oh, and since you are so hell-bent on banning people who insult other people's beliefs, you should take a look at RPtheHotrod... He's insulting people's unbelief, methinks, and I can't remember anyone ('cept C'Jais) commenting on it. Is that not as severe? Arkum Rancor if i was president of this country, the only change i would make is the amount of work kids in high school get these days. it s OK if u give them homewokr, but not SOOOOOOO much. lots of kids are depressed these days becasue of school and other things they have to worry aobut. (i had 36 hours of homework this weekend, no joke. i am soooooooooo going to insane one of these days, im jsut gonna scream and keel over.) Lucky you. If I was Minister of Entertainment Education in Denmark I'd propose a bill that meant an increase of workload for schoolkids... We have next to nothing now. But this is off-topic, no? munik Battle Droid Maybe if you took time out of your enlightened life to remember, slavery has been around forever. And it's still around. True. We may hide them in Asia, but the Mudsill is still there. I do not think that we should reinstate official slavery though. Rather I have some kind of pink-coloured dream that we can combat poverty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munik Posted February 25, 2003 Share Posted February 25, 2003 Originally posted by ShadowTemplar I believe that's Egyptians. Anyway, no. The Jews don't hack on the Egyptians, but Judeaism does hack on the German. And to such an extend that it has convinced most people that everyone killed in the KZ camps were Jews... Oh, and Israel, which has proclaimed itself to be Judeaism's state (kinda like Vatican City, and about as legitimate), is running over Palestinians and stealing Palestinian, Syrian, and Libanese land with those shiny, new, American tanks you sold them at cutrate prices. Death camps don't really compare to the idea of slavery. I believe what Obi-wan13 was refering to was the fact that Egyptians kept the jews as slaves. This is in biblical times. The jews aren't holding a grudge about that. And while you mention that free health care would be good, it isn't going to happen. Health care professionals thrive in a capitilist society. Doctors have money falling out of their asses. Do you think that they would give that up? Maybe there is some Canadian here that could tell us if socialist health care really works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowTemplar Posted February 25, 2003 Share Posted February 25, 2003 Originally posted by munik This is in biblical times. The jews aren't holding a grudge about that. The Jews don't hold any grudges. Judeaism, though, holds grudges against the entire arabian world for taking away the 'promised lands'. Originally posted by munik And while you mention that free health care would be good, it isn't going to happen. Health care professionals thrive in a capitilist society. Doctors have money falling out of their asses. Do you think that they would give that up? Maybe there is some Canadian here that could tell us if socialist health care really works. Socialist health care? Please. I'm tired of people confusing 50+% tax and socialism (100+% tax). It's called socialliberalism. And it does work in Denmark. Mostly (I think) because there is a sufficiently effective and well-staffed public hospital network that demand on private hospitals never rises so high that the prices (and therefore the wages of the doctors) soar. So, in a way, the State is dumping the market, making it less lucrative for doctors to set up pratice independent of the State. Couple that with the fact that certain operations may only be performed on public hospitals (currently the issue of whether abortions should be carried out solely on public hospitals is being debated (notice that, since Denmark is a reasonably advanced and enlightened country, the debate is not whether or not abortion should be legal). I could probably find out more if you want, but I'm a lazy git who has to do his chem-homework, so I don't want to spend time digging up and translating stuff that nobody cares about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munik Posted February 25, 2003 Share Posted February 25, 2003 Sorry for using socialism. I should have said government provided or something. I was using the term socialism very loosely. The Jews don't hold any grudges. Judeaism, though, holds grudges against the entire arabian world for taking away the 'promised lands'.So I'm confused. The Egyptians kept the Isrealites as slaves, right? Aren't Isrealites jews? Serious question. Also, I think you are missing the correlation. Jedeaism might hold a grudge about losing land, but that's not about slavery. They were slaves to the Egyptians, yet their descendants do not hold grudges against egyptians for that reason. Thats the gist! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obi Posted February 26, 2003 Share Posted February 26, 2003 Originally posted by ShadowTemplar A)Naw, it hasn't. Discrimination is still rife and governmentally supported. B)I believe that's Egyptians. Anyway, no. The Jews don't hack on the Egyptians, but Judeaism does hack on the German. And to such an extend that it has convinced most people that everyone killed in the KZ camps were Jews... Oh, and Israel, which has proclaimed itself to be Judeaism's state (kinda like Vatican City, and about as legitimate), is running over Palestinians and stealing Palestinian, Syrian, and Libanese land with those shiny, new, American tanks you sold them at cutrate prices. C)Did it strike you that maybe they can't get a job? D)Oh, and since you are so hell-bent on banning people who insult other people's beliefs, you should take a look at RPtheHotrod... He's insulting people's unbelief, methinks, and I can't remember anyone ('cept C'Jais) commenting on it. Is that not as severe? A)You are right.In fact, there are many college funds and government programs availible to Negroes only. That is racism against Whites, Chinese, Mexican, anyone else in America. B)Don't attack one small spelling mistake, it lowers character. What I meant was about the EgyptiAns owning the jews as slaves. The jews don't bother them about that. However, at this rate, groups like the NAACP and the new "black panthers" will never, ever, EVER, let it go. And I never sold any tanks to anyone, so don't say I did. The Government may have, but I am not the government. C)If they can't get a job, then that's fine, let the government help. However, I have seen these people that live in these projects. They aren't stupid. They can get a job at LEAST at a local grocery store of some kind. Now, some of them are unable, yes, and THEY are the ones that should be getting these benefits. NOT the lazy ones. D)Since C'Jais is a mod, and he said something about it, another mod shouldn't have to say the same thing. A warning from a mod is the same thing as a warning from a super mod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted March 1, 2003 Share Posted March 1, 2003 Originally posted by munik And while you mention that free health care would be good, it isn't going to happen. Health care professionals thrive in a capitilist society. Doctors have money falling out of their asses. Do you think that they would give that up? Maybe there is some Canadian here that could tell us if socialist health care really works. Do you know why health care is so expensive? It's because A.) Doctors spend almost twice as much time in school after high school as anyone else, and college is not free to attend. B.) Doctors have an amazingly high stress job, with long, long hours, and little time off. C.)Because people sue doctors for EVERY SINGLE THING that goes wrong, even if the doctor had NO control over it, malpractice insurance, (which they must have to practice) is AMAZINGLY expensive to have D.)Doctors save people's LIVES, do they not deserve some reward for that? And there is Medicaid, which can be obtained by people who cannot afford REAL medical insurance, and with medicaid you have to pay somewhere between 0-2 dollars per doctor visit. I disagree with you here. I believe that everyone should be able to get free health care And everyone should be able to get free food, but do they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munik Posted March 2, 2003 Share Posted March 2, 2003 Originally posted by ET Warrior D.)Doctors save people's LIVES, do they not deserve some reward for that? Sure, but does it have to be monetary? I think that most doctors don't decide to practice just because of the money, but more for the fact that they want to help people. But they do get beaucoup amounts of cash. Above and beyond any expense related to malpractice insurance, or school fees. Oh, and I can't imagine how stressful being a GP is. Prescribe some antibiotics, refer a patient to a specialist, work about 6 hours a day for 3-4 days a week. Yep, I bet that really sucks. I doubt most doctors professions are such as you described. Some, yes, but the majority of them I'd have to say are the opposite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted March 2, 2003 Share Posted March 2, 2003 Do you actually KNOW any practicing doctors? Almost NONE of them lead the lifestyle you describe. Maybe surgeons have easier hours, but family physicians work from 8 in the morning until 5 in the afternoon, and then if they work with the hospital, which most do, they have to go visit any patients they have there, even on the weekends. And of course not EVERY patient they will see will cause stress, some will be nice and easy. But there will always be people who don't do what they were told to do and then they blame the doctor when they don't get better. AND if anything goes wrong with the patient and they get seriously ill or even DIE, even if the doctor couldn't do ANYTHING about it that weighs heavily on them. And what kind of reward should doctors get? Dont you think that spending twice as much time in college deserves monetary rewards? They've worked twice as hard as most people to get to where they are. I might respect your arguments more if i thought you actually knew something about what you're talking about. But you're really just generalizing doctors because they have money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munik Posted March 2, 2003 Share Posted March 2, 2003 Ok, you got me there, I don't know any doctors. I was just generalizing with a General Practicioner. Not sure if that counts as a family physician or not. Actually, I don't think I've visited a doctor who doesn't specialize in something for quite some time. So maybe I don't see the same doctors as you have, but the ones I have visited sure don't list extensive business hours. Or days, for that matter. So while I don't know these people personally, I can only make an observational opinion about them. And I observe that they don't seem to go to work alot. That is all. My opinion wasn't influenced by the amount of money they possess. I just stated that they make enough money to cover their expenses by at least tenfold, in rebuttal to your statement that their fees are in line with their expenses. What is it with this reward thing? I seem to recall that after a doctor has provided me with services, he does not send me a reward request. Usually they send a bill. If I was a professional asskicker, and you paid me to kick your ass, the reward would be the asskicking itself and the money would be for services rendered. I believe it is the same with doctors as well. I'm a little curious as to who doctors work twice as hard as? Everyone else? Maybe you could demonstrate this by sharing the secrets of the "Slide Rule of Work Measurment According to ET Warrior Graph®" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted March 2, 2003 Share Posted March 2, 2003 Or perhaps i could just point to the two posts above where i mentioned that they go to college TWICE AS LONG as everyone else. And THAT is why they get paid more. If a chemical engineer goes to school long enough to get his phd he would get paid a LOT more than a chemical engineer with a bachelors degree. If a pastor gets his phd, he gets paid more. Going to school enough to get the title of doctor means you get paid more for doing the same job. And I know a lot of doctors personally, and their lives are far from the simple crazy-go-nuts easy lifestyle you seem to think they lead. Reward = money. You know, hey, you just cured me of my illness, here is the money i owe you. SIMILAR to hey, you just served me my meal, here is the money that i owe you. I get so sick of people who think that they can go to the doctors office and they don't even have to pay their co-pay. SERIOUSLY, it's a business, just like McDonalds, or Walmart, etc. etc. That last paragraph was kind of just me ranting.....mayhaps you now realize i work in a doctors office........and i hate people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C'jais Posted March 2, 2003 Share Posted March 2, 2003 In my country, you go to the hospital for free. Then again, we also provide a lot of money to those without jobs. Check my location for further info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kain Posted March 2, 2003 Share Posted March 2, 2003 quote: ShadowTemplar What should be done is furnish the blacks (are you allowed to say that, or is there a more politically correct term? Living in Europe I don't quite know the most recent developments in the American language) with a proper education that includes all the essential elements for success and enlightenment (Physics, Biology, Logic, Statistics, English, Chemestry, 2nd language, History (preferably written by someone who is able to put himself above petty racial/religious/political bickerings), and Math). And make sure that the teachers are qualified. Most good teachers refuse to teach in the 'low-esteem' neighbourhoods, which, coincidentially, are black (or so I read). yea, see. its not the teachers faults*I hate teachers, so I'm not taking sides*. Some black students*and some whites and some mexicans, etc etc* blame the school system for failing them. I say BULL ****. Why? Because half the year they're skipping their classes, doing whatever it is that they do *usually getting toked up in the bathrooms or graffiting(sp?) the damn walls with stupid **** like 'X-Blocc' or 'Chase Boyz' or wtf ever*. And teachers do work in those neighborhoods. Some of the best teachers I've ever HAD work in those neighborhoods. One of my best teachers got assaulted by some druggy ass black kids for being in the wrong place at the wrong time*how do I know they were druggy? they had a bag of about 2 pounds of weed in it*. Sometimes it is the teachers faults, albeit. But most of the time, its the kids own damn faults for not doing what they're supposed to do and skippin their classes. Note: KKK and Black Panther and all those other race supremisist(sp?) groups should all be dragged out into the street and shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowTemplar Posted March 2, 2003 Share Posted March 2, 2003 Originally posted by obi-wan13 A)You are right.In fact, there are many college funds and government programs availible to Negroes only. That is racism against Whites, Chinese, Mexican, anyone else in America. Funny that you mention it. Those programs are instituted because otherwise no black man or woman would ever get in... Now unless you seriously believe that Blacks are dumber than whites on average, you need to think about who ****ed up where in the educational system. Originally posted by obi-wan13 B)Don't attack one small spelling mistake, it lowers character. Sorry. Genuinely. I did not attempt to attack you. Merely pointing out a mistake. I would also like to have such mistakes of my own pointed out, as this is a way to improve my English. Originally posted by obi-wan13 What I meant was about the EgyptiAns owning the jews as slaves. The jews don't bother them about that. No, the jews don't bother anyone. But Israel steals Palestinian, Libyan, and Syrian land... With the full support of the American government. Originally posted by obi-wan13 And I never sold any tanks to anyone, so don't say I did. The Government may have, but I am not the government. Gah. Fething English language. "You" can be both singularis and pluralis. If used in pluralis it can be used informally to describe a group or country. Sorry for the misunderstanding. BTW: Great that you distinguish between individual and institution. Wish that more people would do that (oh and please do the same thing with religion, as jews and Judeaism are not interchangeable terms). Originally posted by obi-wan13 C)If they can't get a job, then that's fine, let the government help. However, I have seen these people that live in these projects. They aren't stupid. They can get a job at LEAST at a local grocery store of some kind. Now, some of them are unable, yes, and THEY are the ones that should be getting these benefits. NOT the lazy ones. Sadly not all WASPs hire people based on qualifications. Originally posted by obi-wan13 D)Since C'Jais is a mod, and he said something about it, another mod shouldn't have to say the same thing. A warning from a mod is the same thing as a warning from a super mod. Aaah... But y'see, C'Jais would have to work overtime to catch up with all of it... So I'm not commenting on the cases that he does comment on. I'm talking about the rest. And besides, he doesn't have the power to back his 'warnings' (and don't run off a tangent about closing threads, because that's a really crude tool that doesn't fix the real problem)... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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