SE_Vader_536 Posted March 25, 2003 Author Share Posted March 25, 2003 Originally posted by pbguy1211 Obviously you aren't following anything where we have denied this. It'd be a little tough to control anything in the mideast quite frankly. they're all f'n nuts over there. [/b] EXCUSE ME! who are you calling f'n nuts? You know not all muslims are crazed people who love to blow things up... there are americans just like that here in the US! *cough* bush *cough* *cough* So before you start flaming us muslims, think! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Windu Posted March 26, 2003 Share Posted March 26, 2003 actually i agree with pbguy about the ragheads, they are crazy and frankly, i dont give a stuff about what happens to them, but i still think that a war against Iraq is wrong. BTW must say that it was nicely done by the US military, attacking a bus full of syrian civillians and also attacking Iran, what a clever move THAT was... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbguy1211 Posted March 26, 2003 Share Posted March 26, 2003 Originally posted by SE_Vader_536 You know not all muslims are crazed people who love to blow things up... true. but you can't deny the fact that in the middle east there are more extremists when it comes to their religious beliefs and what lengths they'll go to, to prove it. ex: the suicide bombers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbguy1211 Posted March 26, 2003 Share Posted March 26, 2003 Originally posted by Darth Windu actually i agree with pbguy about the ragheads, they are crazy and frankly, i dont give a stuff about what happens to them i don't believe, check that... i KNOW i NEVER used that term! or said anything to that effect. the last thing I am is a racist so please don't use my name and a racial slur in the same sentence.... and please don't ever imply that i ever said that. i know you didn't mean it like that, but it could be inferred that way. thanks, have a nice day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swphreak Posted March 26, 2003 Share Posted March 26, 2003 I now have no doubts that we should kick Saddam's ass. His soldiers are using Hospitals for ambushes, using women and children as human shields because they want to be free from Saddam, pretending to be civilians surrendering then shooting coalition forces in the back. That's breaking a few "Rules of War" right there.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MM-86 Posted March 26, 2003 Share Posted March 26, 2003 I won't express my opinion in a forum with so many Americans, but shouldn't we talk about Star wars instead? Or atleast SWGB, since this tread just happen to be about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swphreak Posted March 26, 2003 Share Posted March 26, 2003 Well, there is such a thing as a thread going off topic, and as long as we don't start flaming each other and that stuff I don't see what's wrong wth this discussion. Also, you can express whatever you want. Freedom of Speech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SE_Vader_536 Posted March 26, 2003 Author Share Posted March 26, 2003 Originally posted by pbguy1211 true. but you can't deny the fact that in the middle east there are more extremists when it comes to their religious beliefs and what lengths they'll go to, to prove it. ex: the suicide bombers... excuse what would you do if you had bully pushing you around and you tried telling on him and also tried being nice back? I think its obvious why the palestinians are suicide bombing... Do you really think they'll just let israel push them around? Think about it, the middle east is the current center of prejudice. Many westerns discriminate muslims altough they do not admit it. Some of the muslims have given up on peace as it hasn't worked for them so they risk their lives for what they believe in just like what the american soldiers are doing now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbguy1211 Posted March 27, 2003 Share Posted March 27, 2003 Originally posted by SE_Vader_536 excuse what would you do if you had bully pushing you around and you tried telling on him and also tried being nice back? I think its obvious why the palestinians are suicide bombing... Do you really think they'll just let israel push them around? Think about it, the middle east is the current center of prejudice. Many westerns discriminate muslims altough they do not admit it. Some of the muslims have given up on peace as it hasn't worked for them so they risk their lives for what they believe in just like what the american soldiers are doing now. sorry, i just don't like the idea of blowing one's self up for the sake of their religion. that's all. like i said, extremists. there's a right way and a wrong way to do things. strapping women and kids with bombs and sending them into public areas to kill innocent civilians isn't the right way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SE_Vader_536 Posted March 27, 2003 Author Share Posted March 27, 2003 what else works against a ruthless enemy who has armored vehicles and air support. even with the suicide bombings there are more palestinian casualties than israeli casualties. yeah sure its mean but what israel is doing is meaner... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeiamyourdad Posted March 28, 2003 Share Posted March 28, 2003 true but the palestinians are attacking civilians which is not ok...but I'm still for the palestinians...the israelis took a little too much territory... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Windu Posted March 28, 2003 Share Posted March 28, 2003 pbguy - it was not my intention to infer you said anything like the term 'raghead', that is just my term for the arabs and was meant as such. Vader - what can i say but LONG LIVE ISRAEL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! To hell with the palestinians, they were unprepared to accomodate the Jews in the late 1940's, refused to co-operate with the UN, and then tried to take what was rightfully the property of the Jews! The only reason Israel controls all of Palestine is because the arabs (Palestinians, Egyptians, Syrians etc) tried to crush the jews and take their land, and got beaten soundly by the Hagannah. The Palestinians had their chance for peace, and yet continue to attack the Israeli's and refuse peace. The Israeli army and government have my full support in their dealings with the Palestinians. As far as im concerned, all Palestinians are terrorists and need to be dealt with as such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeiamyourdad Posted March 29, 2003 Share Posted March 29, 2003 First of all the palestinians didn't want to give their land to someone(which is normal). Not all palestinians are terrorists. You say no to war but you say yes that all palestinians are terrorists... Those things are from the past. If everything should be returned to their rightful owner, Australia should be own by the aboriginal people of australia. The USA should be owned by the native americans, south america should be owned by incas descendents and so on and so on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Windu Posted March 31, 2003 Share Posted March 31, 2003 Originally posted by lukeiamyourdad 1. First of all the palestinians didn't want to give their land to someone(which is normal). 2. Not all palestinians are terrorists. You say no to war but you say yes that all palestinians are terrorists... Those things are from the past. 3. If everything should be returned to their rightful owner, Australia should be own by the aboriginal people of australia. 1. They didnt have to. The jews had already settled in many parts of Palestine, and yet then when the UN decided the fate of that acountry, the Palestinians decided to try to take it all for themselves and kill the jews! 2. I disagree. I specifically remember a scene i will never forget in Palestine, that of the Palestinians being really happy and celebrating after the attacks of Septermber 11. That is something i will never forgive, or forget. Plus, the terrorist culture is extremely widespread with the ragheads, so much so that you could say they are all terroritsts 3. Wrong. Australian Aboriginals are not native to Australia, they just happened to migrate here before the pom's did (PS i have no British blood in me) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeiamyourdad Posted March 31, 2003 Share Posted March 31, 2003 1- Well sure! The Palestinian's ancestors were there for 1500 years but that doesn't count. If you knew better, jewish extremist are forcing the government to be even harder then they're supposed to be. Those colonies in Palestinian territories are made to piss of the Palestinians. In their government system, they need to do a lot of alliances to have a majority at the assembly and the small extremists political groups are needed for that. Those extremists groups have a big hold over the israeli government. 2- 3000 americans died on 9/11 Thousands of little kids are dying of starvation as I am posting. Do we ever hear about that??? (I think 9/11 is a bad thing but I just can't get it out of my head. It seems 3000 american lives are more important then thousands of non-american every day...) 3-When every race has migrated from one place to another. What are the real borders? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Windu Posted April 2, 2003 Share Posted April 2, 2003 and how long have the Jew's been in palestine for? Thousands of years. Also i am quite well aware of the politics of Israel, and yes, i agree that the Israeli's should stop putting colonies in mainly palestinians areas, it really doesnt help. BUT that does not condone what the palestinians are doing. As for the childeren dying etc, the blame rests soley with the palestinians. First, they refuse to give up terrorism and work with Israel, then they decide to go and throw rocks etc at kids with assault rifles, not a smart move! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SE_Vader_536 Posted April 2, 2003 Author Share Posted April 2, 2003 whoa! windu what heppened to your pacifist side? ok windu u feel that its okay for a country to use helicopters and tanks to counter rocks and maybe a few scattered riflemen? For every life the palestinians kill the israelis take many many more. Is that considered terrorism? they just came to the country 50 years ago and they kicked the people already living there out of their homes and into refugee camps? and because everyone feels sorry for the jews after the holocaust no one cares if they do it to someone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeiamyourdad Posted April 2, 2003 Share Posted April 2, 2003 The Jews may have been in Palestine for thoushands of year they weren't the dominant ones. They weren't the ones ruling the place. They weren't the ones who fought off the crusaders(note that jews were persecuted in that era as well). The arabs deserved that territory. It seems to be impossible for them to coexist. How would you feel if an ant colony went into your home. Of course some ants were there for some time but you would like to kick out the invaders. You don't want. You worked hard to build your place and then some guys come in a say it's our place not yours! How would you feel. Some jewish guy here in Montreal once said: ''It's written in my sacred book. The Jews are in Israel. There aren't any arabs who lived there in my sacred book(jewish bible). Kick them out!'' I know it sounds a little extremist but it's mainly those extremists that have a big influence. You can't simply call every palestinian a terrorist. The media shows you only a small part. I remember those palestinians cheering after 9/11. I thought it was horrible how they could celebrate that. But then again I'm vietnamese. I didn't know if I should support the US... I mean... They've bombed the hell out of my country... And abandonned us... in the end... The US lost some soldiers... but we lost everything... That's kind of why I'm against most US military actions. They normally abandon things that seems useless for their interests... What happened to the rest of the vietnamese refugees? Did the US help them? Not really... Left them for dead... Only a few countries helped... Like Canada, Australia and some others. But did the US help? Of course not... When they're gonna finish the war, will them really help the iraqi people? No.. They are gonna abandon them like they abandonned everyone they ''helped''... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joesdomain Posted April 3, 2003 Share Posted April 3, 2003 Man, what happened to this thread. I thought it was suppose to be about non melle units being anti-air. I guess everyone is wrapped up in discussing the war. I am actually surprised the moderrators didn't lock this thread by now. But I just think anti-air units should be all troopers, bounty hunters, and certain mechs in each civilization. Heavy Weapons wouldn't work against anti-air. Ships wouldn't work either except maybe anti-air destroyer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SE_Vader_536 Posted April 3, 2003 Author Share Posted April 3, 2003 Finally we have a person against the israeli terroristic actions! I never saw it in your luke's dad... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeiamyourdad Posted April 5, 2003 Share Posted April 5, 2003 I never saw it in you either...I guess our past differences are solved now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SE_Vader_536 Posted April 5, 2003 Author Share Posted April 5, 2003 heh dont want to remind everyone about that... *sheepishly smiles* th-th-ats not important. whats importtant is that we are both strongly opposed the war and any other campaigns pitted majorly against weaker ethnic groups or countries. And i still cannot get over the fact that the us gets mad over 3000 deaths while many other countries face casaulities in the tens of thousands each year and no one pays any attention. Im not saying that we shouldnt mourn us casualties, im saying why are american lives more important than nonamerican lives? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeiamyourdad Posted April 5, 2003 Share Posted April 5, 2003 Exactly! That's probably because those countries have no important ressources in other words no reasons for the US or any country to pay any attention to it. The worst it those cases is that the children of those countries are the first to suffer. Many rumors say that those countries are secretly controlled by the US but those are just rumors. But you can't silence them all. Check the UNICEF website to have some statistics: http://www.unicef.org it's only about kids tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SE_Vader_536 Posted April 8, 2003 Author Share Posted April 8, 2003 i never herd those rumers. hey what happened to the thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Windu Posted April 9, 2003 Share Posted April 9, 2003 Are you two crazy??? The jews and arabs co-existed peacefully in Palestine pre-WW2. Then, when the Jews decided to go to the 'holy land' after the holocaust, the Arabs got Xenophobic and tried to kick the Jews out. The Jews have every right to be there, and have had to fight for their survival in 1948, 1967 and 1973. Almost constantly from 48 till now they have had problems from their ignorant, Arabic neighbours. The Palestinians left Israel at the end of the 1948 war OF THEIR OWN ACCORD. They were not forced to live in camps on the edge of Israel, they CHOSE TO. Next time, get your facts straight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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