Anti-Homosexuality

[SkinWalker]

Not only do I think your fears are unfounded, but I think you should edit your post so that your quoted text is less than your reply. Only quote what is necessary. It was not necessary to quote his entire post.

 

Now... If I was robbed by a black man, should I question all black people until they earn my respect?

 

If I am the victim of prejudice from a white person, should I suspect all white-eyes of racism?

 

Those fears are unfounded and unfair. The control group for my study was too small.

 

The control group for your study is too small to make those broad, sweeping assumptions about homosexuals. Afterall, heterosexuals have been known to get liquered up and take sexual advantage of others. Therefore, your fears must be grounded in some other experience or observation.

 

Perhaps this person made an assumption about your sexual orientation and desire to engage in this type of behavior... after all, you did "pass out at a party," which indicates substance abuse and poor decision making in the first place (particularly based upon your age).

 

I realize that last paragraph will likely piss you off, but my intent is not to enrage you, but rather to engage you. In critical thinking, that is. Assumptions work in all directions and are most dangerous when there is a lack of information.

[Die Another Day]

Just quickly, Thrackan Solo seems to have misread my last post. Cheers Jah Warrior for defending me while I was away.

 

Firstly, I DO NOT hate Christianity. That's a mean thing to say, and I certainly don't think that the whole idea is total rubbish. I said, IN MY OPINION, that I don't agree with the beliefs and views held by Christians... perhaps my wording of my feelings was a little harsh, but I definately do not hate religion and people who follow a certain faith. I just said I THOUGHT it was nonsense from my point of view. I'm not religious, that's what I meant.

 

Secondly, I have many lesbian friends. My little joke about lesbians wasn't meant ot be offensive or anti-lesbian in any way (that's why I said 'no offence to any lesbians out there' at the end of my comment.). It was a joke, people! Maybe not a funny one, but I laughed... however, according to many people out here, I'm sick and twisted anyway, so what's the problem?

 

Now, ep2 Anakin, you and I better have a little chat -

Your experiance of a gay guy trying to 'convert' you while you were passed out is, I can assure you, VERY RARE. This guy, whoever he was, was either drunk himself or incredibly stupid. Now, whether anything actually happened or you stopped him is totally your business, and I'm not trying to pry here, but this sort of thing NEVER happens (normally). The guy needs a serious slap round the face if he was thinking straight, because it's totally wrong to take advantage of passed-out-straight-people. Either that, or it was a complament because he thought you were cute... but it's still 100% wrong. Normal gay guys would never, EVER do such a thing.

[ShockV1.89]

i think not, to me that's a VERY good reason to be skeptical about ALL gays until they earn my respect and trust that they WON'T try to do me when i'm unconscious, THAT'S why my opinions are what they are,

 

Man, if I thought the way you did, I'd be a card carrying member of the KKK. Read what you wrote there. To sum it up...

 

"A gay guy once tried to have sex with me when I was drunk at a party, so that's why I dont trust any gay guys!"

 

Does that really make any sense?

 

now does anyone else wanna tell me my opinions are unfounded?

 

Sure do. Your opinions are unfounded. Why? Because you are making broad assumptions and generalizations about an entire population based on your experiences with one or two members of said population. It's not fair. Shall I judge all Wisconsinites (sp?) by your actions here? I certainly hope not....

[Jah Warrior]

w00t!?!!

 

the thread is now descending into pointless bickering!

 

Yay for reasoned debate

[ShockV1.89]

if it's the first option then **** off you p.o.s.,

 

Ok, now thats something you shouldnt say here no matter what someone else said.

 

and people in wyoming know how to handle their alcohol,

 

Here's my opinion. If you get so bombed that you pass out... you didnt know how to handle your alcohol.

 

Anyway, it still isnt fair to be skeptical of every gay person, because you havent met every gay person. Furthermore, you are not a dog. You are a human being. You should be able to distinguish, and understand that not every gay guy in the world is the prick that you ran into at that party.

 

EDIT: i'll retract the profanity when skinwalker clears up as to why it's in there in the first place. NONE of you understand because NONE of you have had that experience. you say now "i wouldn't think that way, it's just one guy" whatever, i'm not even gonna try to make anyone understand what I'M thinking and WHY i'm thinking it, have some gay guy try to rape you when you just wanna have fun w/friends and then tell me that you still trust all gay men because "just one" of the many gay men in existence tried to do that. it has a VAST impact on your life afterwards, especially since i'm still in high school. none of you will EVER understand so it's useless for me to even TRY to make you unerstand and see what i'm seeing, but whatever, that's my opinion and i stick with it til the end of time and NOBODY can tell me otherwise because also in my mind, and probably in EVERY mind in wyoming, that's foundation for mistrust.

 

God, I hate it when people do this. "NONE of you understand because NONE of you have had that experience."

 

How do you know?

 

have some gay guy try to rape you when you just wanna have fun w/friends and then tell me that you still trust all gay men because "just one" of the many gay men in existence tried to do that.

Thats exactly what we're telling you.

 

none of you will EVER understand

 

I think most of us are too mature to think that way.

probably in EVERY mind in wyoming

 

Have you met every person in Wyoming? No? Then dont say things like that. It's a discredit to EVERY mind in Wyoming.

[TheJackal]

at first this was a resonable debate.

 

if more crap gets thrown around and attacks are made to any members, regardless of thier sexual preferences (and in my opinon thats just what it is. A sexual preference, its like prefering drinking Coca-Cola over Pepsi. I know the comparaison is over simplified, but its the best way to proove my point. It shouldnt matter if you drink pepsi or coke.)

 

Anyways, enough about my personnal opinion and back to my warning.

 

If more crap gets tossed at people and more insults this thread will be closed. Its a shame, it started off pretty well with mature debates. Clean up your acts. And for all those that swore and insulted an other, say your sorry publicly (on this thread). If nothing is done and its still a slug fest I'm closing this thread for good.

 

Sorry

-jackal

[Bob Gnarly]

and in my opinon thats just what it is. A sexual preference, its like prefering drinking Coca-Cola over Pepsi. I know the comparaison is over simplified, but its the best way to proove my point. It shouldnt matter if you drink pepsi or coke.)

 

Best way ive seen it put all thread.

I agree 120% with that comment.

[SkinWalker]

Originally posted by ep2 Anakin

EDIT: i'll retract the profanity when skinwalker clears up as to why it's in there in the first place.

 

Better idea... I'll retract it for you. Post deleted.

 

And to answer your question, I put that phrase in quotations because they were your words.... quoted. Nothing more.

 

Assumptions.

[SkinWalker]

Originally posted by TheJackal

If nothing is done and its still a slug fest I'm closing this thread for good.

 

C'Jais and I have already discussed closing... we agreed that if it continues to get out of hand, this might happen.

 

One more offensive post and I'll close it myself. I only leave it open now because you issued a warning.

[ShockV1.89]

Bah. Now my post looks like I'm talking to myself!

[SkinWalker]

I did leave the quote in place, but I think everyone gets the drift.......

 

Actually, I should've realized Ep2Anakin's propensity for flying off the handle when he feels offended. My goal wasn't troll this response but rather to point out the problem with assumptions. But then, if one is that easily offended then perhaps one shouldn't participate in controversial debates.

 

Still, he has my apology if he feels that I sought an ad hominim attack. He's free to PM me if still in need to vent.

[TheJackal]

I'll wait to see what DaD feels like. He's been offended by a few people and see how he feels about it now.

 

I know that my warning more or less killed off this thread, I hope it doesnt. Debates can be the most stimulating intellectual thing one can do.

 

But I hope you guys understand how rare it is for me to actually post a warning. I'm probebly the most easy going admin around. Allmost never did wave around my magic admin stick to anything. Its too bad I have to do it in the Senate Chambers.

[Jah Warrior]

well, jack,

 

I find it interesting that the people that were vociferously anti-gay are now saying nothing... is this because they know that the intolerant attitude is indeed wrong?

 

interesting, interesting indeed!

[El Sitherino]

they know they have lost because they are behind in times with their alpha male, prehistoric ideology.

[Lord Siraious]

Hmmm... Insane Sith and Jah Warrior I would agree with yous a little the warning has stopped those type of people but I have a feeling others have nothing futher to say (myself included). Instead of people just debating some just... well yous all know. I posted on this but no one has questioned my post so does that mean you thought it was sound? Anyway I'll only post when I feel its called for.