A Disturbing Trend...

[Sherack Nhar]

Originally posted by lukeiamyourdad

Anyway seing the threads that edlib just showed us, I think they shouldn't have merge all those LucasArts game. They should have kept the StarWars game on one side and the other games on another side. This kind of creates ghettos but at least people have their peace and don't get flamed. Strange how we are more open minded then those guys...

No. The problem lies not in the merging, but rather in the inability of the mods to prevent rivalities instead of actually encouraging them. Peace can be attained on a large-scale forum...as long as you have competent peace-keepers.

[lukeiamyourdad]

Even if the mods ''tried'' to prevent the rivalities, they wouldn't be able to. It seems clear that nobody there wants any of us to come in and say hi. If there's a unaminous decision from the people to kick out whoever tries to come in, I don't think the mod will dare go against them.

[Sherack Nhar]

They are supposed to. This forum isn't a democracy, thankfully

[lukeiamyourdad]

Their forum do not have a lot of members. Going against them could leave them alone to rule over a ghost forum. That's also a problem.

[Ray Jones]

Originally posted by lukeiamyourdad

Their forum do not have a lot of members. Going against them could leave them alone to rule over a ghost forum. That's also a problem.

 

their forums do not have a lot of members.. ANYMORE ..

 

i read what they had 'done' to wraith8 in sNm forum and .. thats disgusting. he recieved fire after his first post..!!! how could they get .. MODS??

 

if they will keep on to handle things like this they will moderate a ghostforum soon..!! so it doesnt really is a matter if we go against them or not..

 

 

actual example.. they combined 4 threads of a girl called NATTY to one.. because 'she talks to much' (simple said ) i mean she talks alot .. but .. eh.. this where totally complete different topics from the last month and now they formed a big 'dear diary' thread of them ..

 

http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?threadid=107556

 

 

..

[darthfergie]

Bizzare...

 

I've always had a humorously positive take on the S&M forums, etc. I mean when they had the GB Invasion I laughed my head off at the crazyness of it all and felt somewhat guilty for closing and deleting the crazy threads...in fact it was a relief we got invaded by nuts instead of the porn posters who had invaded not too long before that.

 

Well...anyway long story short...I'm suprised, but not too badly because these people ARE off the wall nuts...and yes mod land has been graced with this very same-ish topic...

 

 

 

BTW, if you have problems with Merc, please either take it up with him or pass it along to an admin via Private Message...because no matter if you like it or not, that kind of blasting undermines authority and it's very obvious. If he needs his authority taken away then send messages to the admins and various others instead of starting "KILL THE MOD!" rallies. I know it wasn't intended as flaming...but seriously...it's hitting low.

[Ray Jones]

Originally posted by darthfergie

BTW, if you have problems with Merc, please either take it up with him or pass it along to an admin via Private Message...because no matter if you like it or not, that kind of blasting undermines authority and it's very obvious.

 

well.. that maybe correct.. and that's actually what SOME people tried..

 

 

 

=> i think it has no effect to pm if one side is not talking 'proper'.. ??

[Mort-Hog]

Some of you came up with the right solution.. If you don't like it, don't go there. You don't 'live' in a forum, you don't have a 'right' to be there, and there's no reason why you should expect anything of the mods. They control the forum the way they see fit, and if you don't like it, you should go away. I like all the forums I visit, because I don't bother visiting the ones I don't like. I'm not 'forced' to visit the ones I don't like, so I have no right to be angry because I don't like them. It's like yelling at a shopkeeper because you don't like the taste of the apples he sells.

 

But anyway, I think I'll take my own advice and go away now!

[lukeiamyourdad]

Let's stop this, someone close this thread. It has served it's purposed. Now if merc wants to drive people out of his forum by calling fat and unattractive or simply by calling them idiots it's his damn problem. He's gonna be alone there in awhile if he continues. Let's not cheese this out.

[Ray Jones]

i must give you right mort-hog.. i cant yell at a shopkeeper for what he's selling.

 

it just seems to be that easy ..

 

you go to a forum and get flamed like wraith. then stay calm and stand above it all, turn around and leave them.

-> the way to handle the situation!

 

and then??

 

just leave them alone and let them do what they want.

-> free and open forums and stuff (democracy)

 

and tomorrow they are 'serving' your breakfast. or such thing..

-> that's what history is telling us about letting such people go on.

 

 

[Havoc Stryphe]

Originally posted by Mort-Hog

Some of you came up with the right solution.. If you don't like it, don't go there. You don't 'live' in a forum, you don't have a 'right' to be there, and there's no reason why you should expect anything of the mods. They control the forum the way they see fit, and if you don't like it, you should go away. I like all the forums I visit, because I don't bother visiting the ones I don't like. I'm not 'forced' to visit the ones I don't like, so I have no right to be angry because I don't like them. It's like yelling at a shopkeeper because you don't like the taste of the apples he sells.

 

But anyway, I think I'll take my own advice and go away now!

 

I understand what you are saying, and I respect your ability to use such neat and educational analogies, but you are missing the whole underlying issue.

 

It's people, not unlike yourself, who subscribe to such beliefs as yours that take a world engulfed in hatred, war, strife and suffering and somehow manage to make it worse. You are correct, sir, when you say we have no 'right' to be there, and have no 'right' to expect a certain behavior from the Mods of the aforementioned forums. Unfortunately, as human beings, especially in this day and age, you should still make every effort to at least tolerate others who may not share the same Cynical sense of humor, or great taste in analogies.

 

Lucasforums is a global community, and as such, is comprised of members that hail from all regions of this great world. Everyday, we have the chance to electronically 'rub shoulders' with people from vastly different cultures than our own, and those who may share similar lifestyles but still may live thousands of miles (Kilometers) from we live. We represent the worlds of which we live in. Each of us are an ambassador to these forums, and as such, should make every effort to give benefit of the doubt, second chances and at the very least a hardy welcome to people who are new to your neck of the woods.

 

How much more so for the 'leaders' of said forums. These individuals set the tone for a forum by the methods by which they enforce policy. They are a greatest single representation of the forum and all it's members. These individuals answer to a higher calling, or at least should. Can MODs have sense of humors? Absolutely! Can MODs employ sarcasm, and wit in their dealings with the members? Sure! I, in no way, am suggesting that MOD's can't have fun, or even play the 'Bad Cop' image, but they should still live by the code they enforce, welcome the new members, inform members of the policies, and in every way attempt to make the forum a desirable place to visit.

 

Oh, and a point for clarification. I was unaware of this new 'Ownership' policy. I did not think that MOD's owned anything of the forums they moderated. They simply made their 'home' a particular forum and originally displayed enough charisma to be later named MOD by the Admin(s) of said forum. Either that or they knew someone in the higher ups and were unethically named MOD for improper reasons. Either way, it is the Admin(s) (And not even all of them) who 'own' the forum (read: server(s), code, database(s), etc...), and the last time I checked all the games of which Lucasforums' individual forums are based on or themed after or in the likeness of are all intellectual property, or licenses of LucasArts, LucasGames, or LucasFilms. SO the actual content, imagery, likenesses or themes are anything but the MOD's possession. Even the Bulletin Board Software is not the intellectual property of the Admins or MODs. So this concept of "The MOD's have every right to run their forums the way the want" is simply unfounded and grounded in misconception.

 

The Three 'Head Honchos' of Lucasforums are the only individuals who actually have a 'right' to say or act anyway or do anything they want, because they are the only true owners of Lucasforums. MOD's are just slightly up the food chain from us general members and still have to answer for their actions, however inappropriate they are.

 

And today I call into question the ability of these MOD's to perform their duties in the tradition and manner of which these forums have been created and maintained. They should have to answer for their lack of patience, and absence of civility.

 

This is not about who's who, and who's not. Nor is not about not having 'lives', and this being just a 'forum' and to get over it. It's about the interaction of human beings, cultures, and personas from around the world, and the seemingly lax of human compassion, care and civility that is the very plague our world suffers from 'offline'. Why should we sit back and watch the same apathy, hatred, distaste for others, fear of the unknown, disdain, and general lack of acceptance of all things new ruin the relationship of LucasLovers the world over? Why should we watch a beautiful place for the culmination of ideas, the sharing of culture, the exchange of beliefs, and the interaction of our passions be poisoned by the same shortcomings that have pushed us away from our normal lives and into the online world of forums and chats?

 

This is our sanctuary, our retreat, our world which was governed by the very fantasies that have been cruelly erased from our real lives. We cannot sit idly by and watch as our forums slowly decay from the very disease that took our real world. Today it's MOD's saying they are better than the others and forcing others out of their circles, but what will it be tomorrow. I for one, don't want to find out. I wish to preserve the good spirit which has defined Lucasforums up until now.

 

This is not a cry for war, it's a merely a wake-up call. We mustn't make excuses and allowances for the absence of genuine human compassion among our members, especially those in a position of authority. Doing so would only be a sin of the gravest nature, and would only bring the world we try so hard to escape crashing into the sanctuary we've created here among the ethereal.

[lukeiamyourdad]

I understand havoc but now it seems that we can't do anything for that part. Like I said before, those mods will overlook a ghost forum and as such will see their places closed for lack of people. Staying here gives us the chance to survive the onslaught and stay away from those problems. we might lose space somewhere but we gain more here and the mods here are nice.

 

Let us stay away from the massacre and harbor the refugees...

[Sarah]

Originally posted by Havoc Stryphe

Just but a little while ago, there was quite an uproar over the whole Point system abuse. Ironically, the same elite moderators I am addressing now, came to the defense of the obvious raping of the point system then, and some were even involved in that heinous plot

 

Not to steer this conversation off topic, but the point system was a terrible idea. It wasn't fully discussed or agreed upon by the people who run LucasForums, or the 6 principal "owners" or LFN, or whatever we're called.

 

I don't agree that the abuse that happened was necessary, or even a good idea really, but I do know that they weren't "defending the obvious raping of the point system" because they liked the point system.

 

I know for a fact that they disliked the point system. It promoted spam, promoted clogging the forums with stupid blinking things and giant sig images, and generally ticked off anyone who wanted to use the forums for actual discussion besides "LOL yeah!!! ."

 

Their methods were a bit insane and probably retarded, but they didn't break any rules. No haxoring was done. And whoa what was the end result? The ineffective annoying point system went away! It cut through all the stupid indecision from LucasForums' bloated supermod populus and finished it. You should be thanking them, really.

 

Aside from that they are elitest jerks though.

 

 

From, Jake (LucasForums administrator and LFN partner ) using Sarah's computer.

[Havoc Stryphe]

Originally posted by Sarah

Not to steer this conversation off topic, but the point system was a terrible idea. It wasn't fully discussed and agreed upon by the people who run LucasForums, or the 6 LFN principal "owners" or whatever we are. I don't agree that the abuse that happened was necessary, or even a good idea really, but I do know that they weren't "defending the obvious raping of the point system" because they liked the point system.

 

I know for a fact that they weren't too fond of the point system. It promoted spam, promoted clogging the forums with stupid blinking things and giant sig images, and generally ticked off anyone who wanted to use the forums for actual discussion besides "LOL yeah!!! ."

 

Their methods were a bit insane and probably retarded, but they didn't break any rules. No haxoring was done. And whoa what was the end result? The ineffective annoying point system went away! It cut through all the stupid indecision from LucasForums' bloated supermod populus and finished it. You should be thanking them, really.

 

Aside from that they are elitest jerks though.

 

 

From, Jake (LucasForums administrator and LFN partner ) using Sarah's computer.

 

Oh yes, I agree. I was, in no way, saddened to see the point system disappear.

 

If their goal was to gid rid of a flawed system, surely they could have employed tactics less infuriating to the general public? If it is as you said, Jake, than I do thank them for their effort, but do not condone the method in which they applied that effort.

 

Sadly, this has little bearing on the problem at hand. The fact remains that some MOD's choose to treat members in a substandard fashion and seemingly promote the idea of closed circles or restrictive clubs within Lucasforums and are not approached for their lack of restraint and common courtesy.

 

Thank you, though, for responding and setting the record straight concerning the earlier conflict.

[Mort-Hog]

For those of us that, like me, have trouble reading one paragraph and remembering the ones above, I'll reply by paragraph. Or I might split up the paragraphs, I haven't quite decided yet.

 

 

I understand what you are saying, and I respect your ability to use such neat and educational analogies, but you are missing the whole underlying issue.

 

Okay.

 

It's people, not unlike yourself, who subscribe to such beliefs as yours that take a world engulfed in hatred, war, strife and suffering and somehow manage to make it worse.

 

I don't quite understand how you came to this conclusion. Yes, I believe in 'improving' the world, but I also believe it is very important that it is the right people that subscribe to those actions. I'll try and think up another 'neat and educational' analogy for you! Okay, the war in Iraq. We'll assume the position that Saddam Hussein had to be gotten rid of for humanitarian reasons, as many people do (which I don't necessarily agree with, but for the sake of the neatness and educationality (?) of this analogy, assume I do). Now, is it up to the random passer-by to 'improve' things and run the country? Or is it up to the people of Iraq to overthrow the Baath government, if they dislike it as much the random passer-by claims they do?

Okay, I've probably confused things lots here, but the point I'm making is that it is those that have influence (the people of Iraq, the moderators, admins) that should change things and decide what is 'right' and what isn't, not random people (other countries, random forumites). You don't HAVE to visit the forums, but the mods do. The only violence that should be used is the violence necessary to overthrow your OWN government..

But anyway, both that paragraph and my reply were pretty irrelevant, so ignore both!

 

 

You are correct, sir, when you say we have no 'right' to be there, and have no 'right' to expect a certain behavior from the Mods of the aforementioned forums. Unfortunately, as human beings, especially in this day and age, you should still make every effort to at least tolerate others who may not share the same Cynical sense of humor, or great taste in analogies.

 

Yes, so start your own forum with that in mind. It is the mods of the forum that have been modded to run the forum, and they run it the way they want. You have no say in how a forum you visit is run. Visiting that forum is entirely a privelidge, given to you by the moderators, and you should respect that and act as the moderators would wish you to when on their forum. If you go into a man's house and he wishes that you take off your shoes when you walk on his carpet, you don't say 'NO!' and then go stomping in across his carpet with your muddy wellingtons. unless you do, in which case you're a bit rude. You can cuss them up personally as much as you like, but they are the mods and they run the forum.

 

 

Lucasforums is a global community, and as such, is comprised of members that hail from all regions of this great world. Everyday, we have the chance to electronically 'rub shoulders' with people from vastly different cultures than our own, and those who may share similar lifestyles but still may live thousands of miles (Kilometers) from we live.

 

Indeed! And that is one reason why I love IRC, and playing multiplayer games, in which I can talk with people from all over the world.

 

We represent the worlds of which we live in. Each of us are an ambassador to these forums, and as such, should make every effort to give benefit of the doubt, second chances and at the very least a hardy welcome to people who are new to your neck of the woods.

 

I would be horrified if I was considered an 'ambassador' to where I come from. In no way do I want to 'represent' the country of my birth. I did not choose where I was born, so I take no pride in it, and I do not expect to be judged because of it. And if you've read other posts of mine, you'll know that I think very lowly of those that do... but that's also irrelevent. Those that run the forums define the rules of the forums.

 

How much more so for the 'leaders' of said forums. These individuals set the tone for a forum by the methods by which they enforce policy. They are a greatest single representation of the forum and all it's members.

 

I go one step further. The 'leaders' define the tone, and the members either follow that, or go away. I do not think they should be thought to 'represent' the forum in any way.

 

 

These individuals answer to a higher calling, or at least should.

 

I think you're referring to the mod-admin-whatever heirarchy here. Yes, in all forums and all communities (well most..) there will be a certain degree of fascism regarding how it is run. but you mentioned this too later, so I'll reply to that then...

 

 

Can MODs have sense of humors? Absolutely! Can MODs employ sarcasm, and wit in their dealings with the members? Sure! I, in no way, am suggesting that MOD's can't have fun, or even play the 'Bad Cop' image, but they should still live by the code they enforce, welcome the new members, inform members of the policies, and in every way attempt to make the forum a desirable place to visit.

 

Right.

 

 

Oh, and a point for clarification. I was unaware of this new 'Ownership' policy. I did not think that MOD's owned anything of the forums they moderated. They simply made their 'home' a particular forum and originally displayed enough charisma to be later named MOD by the Admin(s) of said forum. Either that or they knew someone in the higher ups and were unethically named MOD for improper reasons. Either way, it is the Admin(s) (And not even all of them) who 'own' the forum (read: server(s), code, database(s), etc...), and the last time I checked all the games of which Lucasforums' individual forums are based on or themed after or in the likeness of are all intellectual property, or licenses of LucasArts, LucasGames, or LucasFilms. SO the actual content, imagery, likenesses or themes are anything but the MOD's possession. Even the Bulletin Board Software is not the intellectual property of the Admins or MODs. So this concept of "The MOD's have every right to run their forums the way the want" is simply unfounded and grounded in misconception.

 

The Three 'Head Honchos' of Lucasforums are the only individuals who actually have a 'right' to say or act anyway or do anything they want, because they are the only true owners of Lucasforums.

 

 

I don't think the whole mod < supermod < admin < owner < god heirarchy is really all that important for the sake of this discussion. Yes, the mod does not literally 'own' anything, because they have not 'bought' anything, but they do control it.

 

MOD's are just slightly up the food chain from us general members and still have to answer for their actions, however inappropriate they are.

 

The general members are not even on the food chain. The general members have no say in the running of the forum. An admin may 'own' the mods (and I don't mean in a 'pwned' way), and if the admin decides the mod is not running the forum the way he wants, it is up to the admin to remove him. It is not up to the general members. I guess you could add to my previous analogy the landlord. If the landlord tells his rentpayers that they must allow people to walk on their carpets with shoes on, the rentpayers cannot argue with that, can they?

 

 

This is not about who's who, and who's not. Nor is not about not having 'lives', and this being just a 'forum' and to get over it. It's about the interaction of human beings, cultures, and personas from around the world, and the seemingly lax of human compassion, care and civility that is the very plague our world suffers from 'offline'. Why should we sit back and watch the same apathy, hatred, distaste for others, fear of the unknown, disdain, and general lack of acceptance of all things new ruin the relationship of LucasLovers the world over? Why should we watch a beautiful place for the culmination of ideas, the sharing of culture, the exchange of beliefs, and the interaction of our passions be poisoned by the same shortcomings that have pushed us away from our normal lives and into the online world of forums and chats?

 

There is one fundemental difference between the 'online' and the 'offline' world. In the online world, you have no rights. You create a webpage, you create a forum, and you allow people to visit it and you expect people to behave as you tell them. If they do not, you remove their privelidge to visit it. There is no democracy. Those that view your website have no say in what is on your website. They cannot overthrow you and run your website, nor can you with a forum. Yes, some forums may be more authoritarian than others, but there is no democracy. Democracy doesn't work 'online'.

 

This is our sanctuary, our retreat, our world which was governed by the very fantasies that have been cruelly erased from our real lives. We cannot sit idly by and watch as our forums slowly decay from the very disease that took our real world. Today it's MOD's saying they are better than the others and forcing others out of their circles, but what will it be tomorrow. I for one, don't want to find out. I wish to preserve the good spirit which has defined Lucasforums up until now.

 

It isn't 'your' anything.

 

 

This is not a cry for war, it's a merely a wake-up call. We mustn't make excuses and allowances for the absence of genuine human compassion among our members, especially those in a position of authority. Doing so would only be a sin of the gravest nature, and would only bring the world we try so hard to escape crashing into the sanctuary we've created here among the ethereal.

 

Surely you are just wishing to impose your will on everyone else? I do not believe in 'sin', but if you wish to visit a forum that is how you want it to be, you start your own forum.

 

Or you can go away.

[Sarah]

I agree that ideally they should have used some other method to rid the earth of the point system, but there was a lot of anti-point sentiment going on behind the scenes with nobody willing to act, worried that they'd offend posters who liked the point system or something? (but as we know, the only people who really really liked the point system were the people who liked being rewarded for spamming and begging). What can you do really?

 

Anyway! Let us get back on topic.

 

 

As for the "treatment in a substandard fashion " and "closed circle" business, I disagree. Of course, I really haven't been paying attention, but hell this is LucasForums, so that fact is hardly relevant.

 

It seems like RayJones' treatment might have become a little personal towards the end, but in my opinion he had it coming. His comprehension of english or whatever is not an issue. That's not why anything was asked of him. He was a regular spammer, with occasional lapses into normal-land, yes, but constantly spamming. A decent example.

 

As Gabez said, "I know this is an off-topic forum, but that just means that you can post about stuff not related to Monkey Island, not that you can spam all you like." That doesn't sound like Ray's being treated in a substandard fashion. It sounds like someone laying down very very standard forum rules.

 

I'm not saying anything for sure since I'm ignorant, and RayJones probably got a bit of crap for it afterward, but my guess is that he got said crap because instead of deciding to behave rationally, he went even crazier after receiving warnings from moderators. It's hardly fair to be offended and lash out if a mod replies to your post or sends you a PM asking you to cut back on the spam. Even if you're annoyed, it seems like the last choice of action would be to rant about it. Again, I don't entirely know what happened between anyone

because I secretly care about nobody but myself

but it looks to me like everyone is just looking for an excuse to jump at everyone elses throat.

 

There has been a lot of animosity (sp?) between the "Star Wars" and "Adventure/Mixnmojo" communities for a long time, especially amongst the moderation staff. This is just one incident and the only reason we heard about it is because it got personal. The fact that it got personal means to me that it should be about those specific people (whoever they are?), and not about this forum versus that forum or this forum versus its own users. That is ridiculous.

 

If we all cared enough, and we had enough irrational posters who took it personally when it was pointed out that they were spamming, I'm sure fingers could be pointed in the direction of pretty much any forum on the server.

 

 

And finally, I don't know how this thread got started as a discussion about how the "MI and Mix-n-Mojo boards are blatantly insulting the members of 'Star Wars' forums." Where do the Star Wars forums fit into this, really? RayJones was a MI Harbor forum regular, at least to a point, and he was warned by MI forum moderators.

 

Was "MI vs Star Wars" dragged into the openings of this thread just to fuel the fire and get everyone a little more riled up? To quote myself from earlier:

There has been a lot of animosity (sp?) between the "Star Wars" and "Adventure/Mixnmojo" communities for a long time, especially amongst the moderation staff. [This] should be about those specific people (whoever they are?), and not about this forum versus that forum or this forum versus its own users. That is ridiculous.

 

Guess I'm done. Thanks for reading.

 

 

- Jake, using Sarah's computer.

[Havoc Stryphe]

First of all, Mort-Hog, let me say that I, in no way, was trying to insult you or flame you. Secondly, I apologize for stating the "your ability to use such neat and educational analogies" part. It was a bit rash of me and had an underlying tone of sarcasm. I was just a bit taken aback by your rather short and flippant solution, but that does not excuse my behavior. I'm sorry.

 

You seem to be a very intelligent fellow, but perhaps a bit too detached to seem to grasp the point of which I'm making, but then again, perhaps I am just an idealistic old fool who subscribes to such an ancient school of thought that I'm just a dying breed who's words only serve to confuse...

 

I withdrawl my inquiry, and withdrawl my observation. Those who have stood accused have done nothing wrong. It is merely my own foolery, that I thought we should operate in a much more civilized manner, but alas, I was mistaken. My observations are simply that, my own, and I must learn to keep them that way for risk of upsetting the apple cart.

 

The world has seemed to have moved on, and I have been left in it's cold, and heartless wake. Gone are the ways of chivalry. Human decency is nothing more than an elaborate lie to help one achieve some underlying selfish task while minimizing the risk of looking decietful. They are no good deeds, only oppurtunities to improve one's own standing. The means by which we attain our goals are unimportant, just as long as we reach our goals. Compassion is dead, victem of the hollow existence we now live. It is easier to just accept it with indignation and become a cynic than to try to change it and become an annoyance.

 

Sadly, there is seemingly but a few true constants among us, one is death, from which there is no escape.

 

another, you can never trust anyone, not even ourselves.

 

And ironically, Ignorance is bliss...

 

Oh, sweet ignorance, would not that you were here, so that I may once again wear a smile upon my weary face. I could once again look into the mirror without contempt for the reflection therein...

 

 

 

Please forgive the ramblings of a misguided fool...

[Ray Jones]

Originally posted by Sarah

It seems like RayJones' treatment might have become a little personal towards the end, but in my opinion he had it coming. His comprehension of english or whatever is not an issue. That's not why anything was asked of him. He was a regular spammer, with occasional lapses into normal-land, yes, but constantly spamming. A decent example.

 

As Gabez said, "I know this is an off-topic forum, but that just means that you can post about stuff not related to Monkey Island, not that you can spam all you like." That doesn't sound like Ray's being treated in a substandard fashion. It sounds like someone laying down very very standard forum rules.

 

- Jake, using Sarah's computer.

 

hello..

 

yeah it seems right that your example (of my posts) looks a bit spammy ..

 

hmmm .. but the story is long and this shows how things started to get worse. the fact is i tried to tell carl shutt something.. but he didnt replied .. rather gabez and mercatfat as you can see.. and i tried to explain myself and followed gabez advice to pm him. (i could message the pms with them but i wont.) i tried to explain myself and the next step was another pm of merc and gabez and those where even nicer. ..it seems they not even tried to understand what i say. at least them could have said: it's our job to tell that to carl shutt..

 

hmm.. ok. i could have said nothing and then this all would have never happened.. thats what i think.

but it is not just the treatment of a slight crazy ray jones. I am least important in this case.

the point is as havoc said, another. (i wont repeat it here, i think it's clear what he said.)

 

 

so thank you for replying and i think one thing we can do is LEARN from it.

[Mort-Hog]

Please forgive the ramblings of a misguided fool...

 

Okay.

[lukeiamyourdad]

Now can someone please close this thread so everything can return to the way it was before?

[Havoc Stryphe]

Originally posted by lukeiamyourdad

Now can someone please close this thread so everything can return to the way it was before?

 

No offense, but do you mean going back to ignoring the Giant Pink Elephant in the room?

 

Knowing what we know now, can we honestly go back to the way it was before?

 

We can only hope to consciously ignore that which we already know and turn a blind eye once again to that which goes on below our very noses, but I suppose that was the way it was before, huh?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What Giant Pink Elephant?

[Sherack Nhar]

Havoc, I know that you probably really enjoy your writing style, but it's seriously starting to give me a headache!! Can you tone down the "artsy litterature writing style" a bit? I don't wanna sound stupid, but we don't all speak english as good as you here x_X

[lukeiamyourdad]

I know we shouldn't ignore this problem. I too would like to try and go up againt them and find a way to solve all of this.

 

But sometimes it's by letting everything go that we can achieve something.

 

Those forums are dying and all those mods are doing is driving them to an even faster death. This isn't about RayJones anymore. Now I feel bad for taht girl Natty which mercatfat called fat and unnattractive(not litterally but the way he barged in there and everything he said.well that's what dirves people to suicide and I'm not joking here).

We can't achieve anything since we have no autority on anything. It's not like we lead an army ready to wreck justice over there. And the admins seems to ignore the actions of those mods. What can we do? Tell me seriously?

 

On this case I have to agree with Mort-Hog for there is no actual law here that's decided by the people, no democracy within the forum. It's controlled primarily by the admins and mods. If either of them wants to bash on everyone, they can and probably will as the recent events showed us without almost any interference.

[Havoc Stryphe]

Originally posted by Sherack Nhar

Havoc, I know that you probably really enjoy your writing style, but it's seriously starting to give me a headache!! Can you tone down the "artsy litterature writing style" a bit? I don't wanna sound stupid, but we don't all speak english as good as you here x_X

 

Sorry, Sher. I'll try to lighten up some. It tends to happen when I'm feeling particularly pensive. Hopefully it clears up soon. A man can only take to so much intense thought

[Mort-Hog]

On this case I have to agree with Mort-Hog for there is no actual law here that's decided by the people, no democracy within the forum. It's controlled primarily by the admins and mods. If either of them wants to bash on everyone, they can and probably will as the recent events showed us without almost any interference.

 

Yes, the point I was making is that there is nothing wrong with that. When you make a toy, you own that toy and you expect to be able to play with it however you like, even if other people wouldn't play with it the same way as you do. It is a key principle of capitalism.

 

 

(yes, I realise that comparing the forum to a toy is an unfortunate analogy, and I don't mean that mods and admins are cruel little children that treat their forums as their little playthings, it just serves as a useful analogy for ownership. the house one is better.)