ninja Posted August 8, 2003 Share Posted August 8, 2003 hi all i made this thread so that people can ask about things they wonder about. kinda like who made god kinda thing but with only star wars lol. when i look in senate chambers and yodas swamp, all i see is nothing that has to do with star wars, not a single topic. and this is for serious people. basicly fact on questions answered, but a good guess every now and then is good when things cant ever be explained. and if you just never knew about something or just have a simple question, go ahead and ask. anyway its about time we get the ball rolling again. heres a good question i always wondered, are the storm troopers from episodes 4,5, and 6 the clone troopers? or are they just a bunch of people decided to join the empire? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowTemplar Posted August 8, 2003 Share Posted August 8, 2003 As for the Storm Troopers, I find it hard to tell. Probably clones, since they'll all fit in the same armour pattern, though. Of course they'll have been genetically modified and indoctrinated, and the former is rather easier to do when you clone. Now for my own question: Why do you not once see missiles being deployed? Hoth Theatre, for example, could have been won by simply dropping a couple of SCUD-like missile ramps, sending forth some spy-drones to get a target-lock, and then blasting the shield generators to kingdom come. Surely that must be cheaper than depoying in full legion strenght. May the light of the Astronomican guide your warp-eye. ShadowTemplar - Templar of No God, Champion of No Cause Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagobahn Eagle Posted August 8, 2003 Share Posted August 8, 2003 Is this a Senate Chambers type thread? In 4, 5, and 6? No, don't think they are. In episode 2? Err.. yes:D. In Force Commander you can tell they ain't, but then again FC isn't canon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homuncul Posted August 8, 2003 Share Posted August 8, 2003 Sure they are clones. It's a fact, that in the end of epIII the clone wars end. And republic has nothing to do with clone troopers. And when Empire rises, they are just renamed in storm troopers. It would have been weird if they had just shot them all down or sent them home. They used them further and further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C'jais Posted August 8, 2003 Share Posted August 8, 2003 Moved to a more proper forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynk Former Posted August 8, 2003 Share Posted August 8, 2003 thanx C'jais ^^ Hey it could be a mix of both Clone Troopers and normal everyday folk who want to be in the pride of the Imperial Army *nods* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninja Posted August 8, 2003 Author Share Posted August 8, 2003 i dont understand why this was moved to classic trilogy, this is about everything that has to do with star wars, meaning movies, comics, games, old republic everything. i thought i made that clear. anyway i have another question i just thought of. with episode 3 are they gonna make the movie switched several years ahead in different scenes? i mean episode 3 begins where ep2 ends. then when episode4 started it has been many years forwarded. luke was what i dont know in his 20's in the movie? so what i mean is you know how in some movies it will go from the present time then it will go to a scene that says 17 years later or something. cause it would leave too many things out. like boba fett he grew up too. i just hope the movie does this, because it would just leave to many things out. or it could just be the longest star wars movie made. do you guys know anything about this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coupes. Posted August 8, 2003 Share Posted August 8, 2003 I'd say some of the stormtroopers may be clones, but if they are they certainly aren't the remnants from the clone wars. These clones were genetically modified so they grow 2 times faster meaning they'd be 60 years old or so during the OT times span, not much of an army... As for the Hoth battle question, if you remember correctly the imperial fleet goes out of hyperspace to soon, thus alerting the rebels who raise their shields, which are said are stong enought to esist any attack. So the only way left to destroy the base, is a froung attack. And I beleive the reason why you never see a missile is laser bolts are much faster, precise and cheaper than missiles. It would be pretty easy to take down a missile with laser bolts, also you have an infinity of laser power (as long as you have power/energy), not the case with missiles. Also missiles would take a lot of space in ships as well as weight a lot, you have to load them before you go on a mission, etc. On the other hand lasers do not take space, weight nothing (obviously) and don't need to be loaded onboard making them the ultimate weapon in the star wars univers. An ninja, I really don't think they will make ep3 'jumps years'. You mentionned not seeing Boba grow... well you'll have to live with this as the Star Wars movies are the story of Anakin Skylwalker, so the story of Boba fett is really secondary. You are right though, we will not see a lot of things but they are not major events. So don't ecpect to see ep3 spanning on several years, it won't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Gaarni Posted August 9, 2003 Share Posted August 9, 2003 Is this a Senate Chambers type thread? In 4, 5, and 6? No, don't think they are. In episode 2? Err.. yes. In Force Commander you can tell they ain't, but then again FC isn't canon. Don't wisk it awayso fast. Remeber those 2 brothers? Whom one of them you were playing as? Well, it had me wondering for a long time why they weren't allowed to hang around the others in the stormtrooper unit, and never got to see their faces. Until I got to know that the stormtroopers were supposed to be (atleast mostly) clones, and all the peices fell in place. They were clones. That's why they weren't allowed to hang around them, or never got to see their faces. FC fits more than you think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeskywalker1 Posted August 9, 2003 Share Posted August 9, 2003 There not clones, thats why leia says to luke in 4, arent you a little too short for a storm trooper? Remember the acadamies? Kyle Katarn was going to joined an acadamy for training imperials. You just dont see there faces because they are not important. And remember, Jango was the top dude, he died, and i doubt boba stuck around to be cloned multiple times for the empire. Hmm.. ill just check it out at http://www.starwars.com [EDIT] looked em up Stormtrooper training stressed complete indoctrination in the tenets of the New Order, and individuals would obey their officers without question, without regard to the rights of others or even to their own safety. Stormtroopers abandoned individuality in exchange for their loyalty. See... individuals. Clones dont have individuality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninja Posted August 9, 2003 Author Share Posted August 9, 2003 never know, maybe they had individualities after the war was over for a time. i guess i started a good question lol. we'll never know till episode 3 comes out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi_Monk Posted August 9, 2003 Share Posted August 9, 2003 The Stormtrooper question is difficult to answer... there were tens of thousands of young and pre-natal clones in the Topica City cloning facility, so those could be used for a decade after the Prequels, and I don't see why they wouldn't continue producing clones while those ones are in training... Unless something happens to the cloning facility between Episode II and the OT, I think the Empire would still be using clones. Also, the Imperial Academy is for the Navy, pilots and officers... not for Stormtroopers. Anything that says otherwise is EU and has no relevance in the clone debate. The starwars.com database isn't always reliable in these matters because even their "Movies" section takes EU into consideration, the novelizations of the movies. And before you tell me the novelizations are as good as canon, I have six words for you: Obi-Wan is not Owen's brother! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninja Posted August 9, 2003 Author Share Posted August 9, 2003 yeah i was thinking about the clone factory too. and i was thinking its possible because in the expanded universe the emperor had a clone for himself. so obviosly cloning was still being done. how that whole story was told i never knew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninja Posted August 23, 2003 Author Share Posted August 23, 2003 posted from someone earlyer. and with that the issues of clones and strom troopers has been finalized on to more questions This is a quote from on the the set diaries which are part of Hyperspace. With the clones being assembled, the fodder of conversation turned to how exactly clone troopers and stormtroopers are related. By now, it's no surprise that the stormtroopers are indeed clones. But the nitpicky fan gripe that the troopers are of different heights and have different voices has not been lost on George Lucas. My cynical side points out that the only thing this descrepancy conclusively proves about the origins of the stormtroopers... is that these films were shot in the 70s. "Well, they start to turn to different sources when they need it, that's why you get the differences," offers George as an explanation. "We get a model that isn't the Jango version, that doesn't bump his head on doors. But then we get versions that can't shoot straight," he laughs. "I can see the corruption in the Empire: someone says to the Emperor, my cousin would like to fight in the wars, but he doesn't want to do any of the actual fighting. Can you clone him? Well, can he shoot? Ah, yeah. Sure he can." Thats a funny explaination. But it works, hehe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninja Posted August 23, 2003 Author Share Posted August 23, 2003 heres a question i've been pondering. ok remember in episode 2 obi-wan goes to the clone lab. and they show him the clones. the scene showing the clones eating lunch, why is it the clones look like captain Typho? http://starwars.com/databank/character/captaintypho/index.html arent the clones supposed to have been made from Jango? whats the deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coupes. Posted August 23, 2003 Share Posted August 23, 2003 why is it the clones look like captain Typho? Well you just answerered your question, he only looks like him, but there are no link between them. But I guess what you really wonder is : "why don't they look like Jango?" That would be be because The clones we see are about 20 years old or so and Jango is older, so they had to use another actor. There really isn't a better explanation, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral Vostok Posted August 23, 2003 Share Posted August 23, 2003 That was a pretty cool quote, ninja. Damn I need to get organised and subsribe to Hyperspace... Anyway I think it's not entirely impossible that Stormtroopers are both Clones and non-Clones. The Empire no doubt would continue the Cloning program if at all possible, since the Clones are highly successful. At the same time though they may recruit non-Clones into the Army as well. The disadvantage to this is that the non-Clones aren't as skilled as the Clones: the Clones have been trained since "birth" (even if that was only ten years ago), and their skills would be hard to match by a non-Clone who joins the Army at age 20. On the other hand non-Clones would be cheaper. I think this theory explains both their apparent lack of accuracy and their reputation for being good shots. Obi-Wan Kenobi says upon observing the destroyed Sandcrawler "Only Imperial Stormtroopers are so precise." This is probably true of those Stormtroopers who go to battle - they would be the Clones. Obviously in a battle you send your best troopers, which are undoubtedly the better trained Clones. The Snowtroopers on Hoth would most likely be Clones, and they couldn't really be called inaccurate or under-trained, they were vistorious! However, most of the Stormtroopers our heroes run into would be non-Clones: being stationed on the Death Star isn't exactly a job for the best troops in the Galaxy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeiamyourdad Posted August 23, 2003 Share Posted August 23, 2003 Remember what Leia said to Luke when they first met? If they were ALL clones Leia wouldn't have said that. If they were all clones the prison officer and any other guys they Luke, Han and Chewie went across would have been really suspicious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninja Posted August 24, 2003 Author Share Posted August 24, 2003 nobody said anything about all storm troopers being clones. simply was wondering if the clone troopers from episode 2 became storm troopers. lets not start taking things out of context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeiamyourdad Posted August 24, 2003 Share Posted August 24, 2003 Threads go off-topic so they can live. I guess I misread something... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tufkad Posted August 24, 2003 Share Posted August 24, 2003 "simply was wondering if the clone troopers from episode 2 became storm troopers." I think not, because if you were going to change ALL those helmets, you might as well make some new troops, otherwise why change the helmets at all? But if you're making new troops, and these helmets look better, sure, use them. But the troops would have to match. So the clones would have to all died in the clonewars, or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pleto4_ryan Posted August 25, 2003 Share Posted August 25, 2003 question : If leia sais that luke is shorter than usual isn't that a sigh that all troppers are clones and thus they are above some height, as they look alike? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coupes. Posted August 25, 2003 Share Posted August 25, 2003 If they were all clones, at least if they were all clones from the same source, I beleive she would have said something different, perhaps something like : "who were you cloned from, a midget?", or maybe : "haven't you finnished growing yet?". Those are stupid this is not really serious... as you may have guessed, but I do not beleive all the troopes are clones from the same source, this would mean no one could join the imperial navy directly, they would have to be cloned to actually fight the rebelion, I'm not too sure about that. However I do beleive a good part of the troops are clones but they mostly come from various sources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynk Former Posted August 25, 2003 Share Posted August 25, 2003 about the jango/typho confusion earlier... Captain Typho is played by Jay Laga'aia and he's known for starring in a TV Cop show down here in Australia called "Water Rats" Jango Fett is played by Temuera Morrison who is a New Zealand actor, he's most known for starring in the movie "Once were Warriors" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rad-x Posted August 26, 2003 Share Posted August 26, 2003 Are you sure Temeura What'shisFace played the younger guys eating at the table? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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