Reclaimer Posted August 28, 2003 Share Posted August 28, 2003 Should little kids be able to write sentices with Star Wars in them? I mean yestersay my friends little brother (only 6 here) crying because he got an F on spelling. He wrote ten Senteces with each one having a Star Wars person or subject like one spelling word was explaining. He wrote"Luke was explaining how to use a lightsaber". Well his mom talked with the teacher and said the teacher said "Star Wars is a Rated R movie and it's not aproprite for little kids. (Rated R!!! Come on!) So I ask you should little kids be able to write sentices with Star Wars? (The teacher is stupid I mean RATED R!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShockV1.89 Posted August 28, 2003 Share Posted August 28, 2003 Although I question your little brothers seeming obsession with a movie series (they start early, I guess)... I cannot condone the grade that the teacher gave him. If the assignment was spelling, and he spelled all the words right, then he should get a good grade. Whether or not she believes Star Wars is appropriate for little kids is irrelavent. She is a teacher, and it is her job to look out for the childs best interests. If she believes that the kid should not see Star Wars, and she thinks that this is a detriment to the childs development, then she is honor-bound to at least speak to the childs parents about it. My advice is to go to the principal. Did your brother spell everything right? Is "Star Wars is bad" the only thing written on there? Is it on there at all? I'm really quite surprised that a teacher would give an F for something like that. Maybe your brother isnt telling you something? They tend to withhold info that might get them into trouble. I'm surprised at the spelling level, though. "Explaining" is a very hard word for a first grader to be expected to learn. ****************** I see a really good debate in this. To what extent should teachers go in the development of a child? That meaning, should the teacher take a more conservative, traditionalist approach of simply teaching academics and leaving any further development to the parents and/or society itself, as well as the child? Or perhaps the teacher and the school can take more involvement in the childs life? Teaching them various skills and offer less traditional classes such as auto-shop, pottery, etc. Sex Ed. would be an important one here too. Should this be taught in schools? Is this reaching too far? Consider that this is something that might not be taught properly at home, if at all. Or is involvement detrimental to the child? An example is as follows: At the community center I work at, we had a problem with a certain second grader hitting people, usually for simply bumping into them, but sometimes hitting back. We confronted her, telling her that hitting and punching is not the solution, and it is not acceptable under any circumstances. She informed us that her mother said that if anyone hits her, she has to hit them back. We spoke to the mother, and her response was "I dont care what you tell <childs name>, I'm telling her to hit anyone who hits her!" Could the mixed messages be confusing the child? I imagine it was, which is why said child began acting out more and more. Could this be the result of too much involvement in the home? Mixed messages making things worse? Discuss. I need some time to rest my fingers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurgan Posted August 28, 2003 Share Posted August 28, 2003 A very good discussion. From the info posted in the thread starter, I'd say the Teacher is an idiot (or to put it more civily.. simply ignorant). If she has a problem with a child seeing Star Wars, she should stick to that, instead of lashing out in the form of an "F" based on her prejudice for a bit of media she doesn't understand. The child should be given a second opinion on his grade from another teacher, and the teacher should be forced to watch "Star Wars" from start to finish (with renowned film critic Roger Ebert on hand to explain the MPAA ratings system to her). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagobahn Eagle Posted August 28, 2003 Share Posted August 28, 2003 If she has a problem with a child seeing Star Wars, she should stick to that, instead of lashing out in the form of an "F" based on her prejudice for a bit of media she doesn't understand. The child should be given a second opinion on his grade from another teacher, and the teacher should be forced to watch "Star Wars" from start to finish (with renowned film critic Roger Ebert on hand to explain the MPAA ratings system to her). Ditto. Couldn't have put that better myself. Little 6-year olds shouldn't watch action movies of any kind anyway, but having a teacher punish them for it? No. Give him a second chance. And with his spelling skills? "Luke was explaining how to use a lightsaber" Come on, I could hardly read when I was 6, let alone spell lightsaber or explain. And he gets an "F". To what extent should teachers go in the development of a child? That meaning, should the teacher take a more conservative, traditionalist approach of simply teaching academics and leaving any further development to the parents and/or society itself, as well as the child? Good question. I believe that'll have to be a question I'll answer yes to. Homemaking, sexual education, physical development, and family development are all great examples. Way too many people can't cook, can't use a washing machine, don't get enough physical activity, and so on. Family Development should be added as a mandatory class because it'll help prevent violence in homes, divorces, arguments, and in general make families more healthy. Physical education makes you healthy, no question. Sexual education prevents STDs, and helps you understand them. Homemaking teaches you to make food, use the washing machine, and so on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Writer Posted August 28, 2003 Share Posted August 28, 2003 Maybe Star Wars isn't the best thing for little kids to be watching, but if they do, who's to say that they are not allowed to write about it? An F because it's related to Star Wars? That's out of line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted August 28, 2003 Share Posted August 28, 2003 me and all my friends grew up watching star wars. second it's not rated "R" it's rated PG. that teacher needs to be slapped for being an idiot. also as many people have said, the teacher should not punish a kid for what he/she likes(or takes interest in) unless it becomes a problem such as if the kid picks up a stick and start hitting other kids with it pretending he's a jedi. me and my friends used to always play jedi. but we knew not to actually hit eachother and we knew not to do it at school. So until it really affects other students the child shouldn't be punished for liking something with a slight obsession. but then again when I was 6 I knew everything about the OT. I first learned to read to the book "a new hope" and "Splinter in a minds eye" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagobahn Eagle Posted August 29, 2003 Share Posted August 29, 2003 Maybe Star Wars isn't the best thing for little kids to be watching, but if they do, who's to say that they are not allowed to write about it? An F because it's related to Star Wars? That's out of line. I think the reason why she thought that he couldn't write about it was that she thought it was R rated. Come on, R rated movies are movies like the Blair Witch Project, isn't it? If a little 6-year old wrote that "the Blair Witch explained how to set up woodoo dolls", wouldn't that be out of line? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShockV1.89 Posted August 29, 2003 Share Posted August 29, 2003 Particularly because the kid spelled "voodoo" wrong. I would definitley be concerned, but I dont think I would make a big deal unless I saw a pattern than I believed stemmed out of the child watching these movies. If he began hitting people with sticks, saying he was "killing stormtroopers with his lightsabre." Then I'd be concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclaimer Posted August 30, 2003 Author Share Posted August 30, 2003 Yeah the teacher is dumb for doing that and on Tuesday(Monday being being Labor Day here in the US.) His mom is going into the princible and ask why he can't do that. Off topic: MY POST ARE GONE!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KBell Posted August 30, 2003 Share Posted August 30, 2003 Yeah, they took your posts away because of how much spam you filled the Swamp with, you shoulda know they were gonna do that Anyway, i dont even know why the teacher would say Star Wars is an R Rated movie, she must be one of those *Special* teachers:p Oh, and you might want to put out a dictionary R, you misspell quite alot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclaimer Posted August 30, 2003 Author Share Posted August 30, 2003 Well I was typing fast K. Yeah my posts are gone if improve I'll get all 834 back plus the ones I get with out my 834. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrackan Solo Posted August 31, 2003 Share Posted August 31, 2003 second it's not rated "R" it's rated PG well technically when the movie was made there was no R rating it was only PG. Because in the movie Airplane it is rated PG but a girl flashes the camera in the plane. But its not nearly as bad as the rated R movies they have now. Actually its not even bad they barely do anything that parents would object to other than leia in that two piece:naughty: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rainer511 Posted September 1, 2003 Share Posted September 1, 2003 Ugh... I had a few teachers like that before myself... I don't care if the kid wrote, "Neo entered the Matrix and kicked Agent Smith's butt!" The grade shouldn't be effected. If the teacher thought it was that terrible she should talk to the parent. Another thing that's annoying is when a teacher is too old to know if your spelling something right. I had a friend that wrote a paper about burning CDs and such. She told him not to use slang and got marked down for using words like "burning", or "ripped". If you can please give me better words for these, I'd like to see them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinWalker Posted September 1, 2003 Share Posted September 1, 2003 Originally posted by Thrackan Solo well technically when the movie was made there was no R rating it was only PG. This is simply not true. The MPAA devised the first ratings in 1968 as an alternative to federal regulation of motion picture content by the U.S. Government. The original movie ratings consisted of: Rated G – Acceptable to "general" audiences, including children. Rated M – For Mature audiences. Rated R – Restricted. Children under the age of 16 must be accompanied by a parent or "guardian" (i.e., supervised by an adult). Rated X – Children under the age of 17 not admitted. PG was added in 1970 (actually it was GP in 1969, then modified the next year) and PG-13 was added in the 1980's after a rash of violent films that didn't have the criteria of an "R" rating, such as Gremlinsand Red Dawn. NC-17 came about in 1991. So, as you can see, the PG rating of Star Wars in 1977 was the correct rating. It wasn't violent enough to necessitate a rating above PG. Simply looking at the successive movies of the series and their ratings will tell you that all five of the Star Wars films have a PG rating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeskywalker1 Posted September 2, 2003 Share Posted September 2, 2003 Star Wars? I mean... theres no bad language, and they use blaster guns... they burn.. they dont peirce the skin (i think) so theres no blood (except in ANH) and the sabers burn too... so... I dont know.. the worst id say would be dismemberment, and leia's constume, but other than that.... theres nothing wrong with it, even what i said isnt that bad compared to a lot of other movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurgan Posted September 2, 2003 Share Posted September 2, 2003 See that's the thing I don't get. Leia's costume in ANH was specifically designed to NOT show off her body in any way (yet that one CAPAlert site still insisted that her outfit was too revealing, go figure). They even "taped my boobs down" as Carrie Fisher recalled in one interview I read, so they wouldn't jiggle around when she ran down the halls in the movie. Now her outfit in ROTJ obviously was much more revealing, but even then, by the standards of what you'd see on MTV during the day, this is a very tame outfit. It obscures most of her cleavage and it has a "loincloth" that obscures her crotch area on both sides, and most of the shots you see her wearing it are in darkly lit areas. Good point about the ratings Skinwalker. And as far as PG ratings go, there are worse movies than Star Wars that still go the same rating (some people say the ratings have let people get away with more over the years.. so an R rating in the 70's might be a PG-13 rating today though and an X would only be an R). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B00thbe Posted September 14, 2003 Share Posted September 14, 2003 Teachers like that should not be teachers in my opinion. They believe that everything should be learned out of a textbook, and they never let kids do any hands on activities. People like that stunt children's creativity and when they are at that age its really important. That incident should be reported to the principal and the teacher's career should be questioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForceMaster Posted September 14, 2003 Share Posted September 14, 2003 I think the question is, where do the responsibilities of the teacher end. Today teachers can wrongly accuse parents of abusing children simply because the kid came in with a bruise that wasn't there before. When in fact the bruise was caused by simple childhood clumsiness or playing. Thus sending the child into foster care (temporary) until an investigation takes place over the following 6 months. At which time the parents are absolved of any wrong doing and no consequences for the teacher that emotionally scared the child and broke up a perfectly happy family. That is one extent of the current power of teachers now a days. Now to say that a teacher is also responsible for telling the parents what their children can and cannot watch is going even further. When the rating system was set up it says even for PG rated films parental guidance suggested. Not parental guidance with teacher permission suggested. Also it was stated above, a grade should be handed based on what the assignment was. If the child spelled it correctly then the assignment was completed deserving a grade accordingly. All these are reasons why my children are home-schooled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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