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Mau'Dae was on Chop Shop #1 a week or so ago testing his new Jedi Academy killtracker, so I expect that (unfortunately) it will be available soon. I sent him an email begging him to leave the spam-generating feature out of it. No one has a problem will a program that silently keeps statistics of your kills and kill ratios, etc. But the incessant spamming of "so and so, you are the 34 person I have killed, 3 kills have come from you" (or the more juvenile variations like "so and so you are the 40 bitch I have ass raped") was very annoying in Jedi Knight II: Jedi Outcast, and will be even worse in JA, since the chat is closer to the center of the screen.

 

My JK2 servers have a MOTD that every player sees as they join the server that says "KILLTRACKERS OFF !KTOFF" in bright red letters. Server rule. My Jedi Academy servers will have the same rule after the killtracker comes out. And we all know what should happen to players who repeatedly disregard\ignore\disobey that server's rules.

 

After many months of watching thousands of players on my four servers, I have found that the best players, the ones who win consistently, don't use killtrackers. Using a killtracker in my experience is like waving a red flag that says "I am a mediocre player with low self-esteem, and spamming a message with each and every one of my infrequent kills compensates for the fact that I never win".

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Originally posted by -=IBG=-Xan[JSA]

Personnaly, I like KA, It's a good way to judge your progress as your skill increases. Why not make an option for JA to either annouce statements/stats or just either echo them or just keep count and not say anything to anyone.

 

I am curious, what is your estimate of the percentage of killtracker users who would use a silent option if it was available (I don't use a killtracker, but my understanding is that it already still counts kills even when not spamming), and what percentage will spam some variation of "noob, you suck! you are the 23 bitch I have assraped, I have pwned you 2 times"?

 

I have bots that say this after kills:

 

<playername>, you are the 672,093,747 person I have killed 943,224 kills have come from you.

 

Some players say "that bot has a killtracker! kewl! where can I get one?" :roleyess:

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Originally posted by Amidala from Chop Shop

I am curious, what is your estimate of the percentage of killtracker users who would use a silent option if it was available (I don't use a killtracker, but my understanding is that it already still counts kills even when not spamming), and what percentage will spam some variation of "noob, you suck! you are the 23 bitch I have assraped, I have pwned you 2 times"?

 

I have bots that say this after kills:

 

<playername>, you are the 672,093,747 person I have killed 943,224 kills have come from you.

 

Some players say "that bot has a killtracker! kewl! where can I get one?" :roleyess:

 

I really don't think it's possible for anyone to give a reasonable estimate on who would use KT for just tracking or for mindless spamming. I can just speak for my self and my fellow clan members, of whom I duel with and see how they use this feature. Wish I could give you an awnser, sorry.

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Originally posted by -=IBG=-Xan[JSA]

I really don't think it's possible for anyone to give a reasonable estimate on who would use KT for just tracking or for mindless spamming. I can just speak for my self and my fellow clan members, of whom I duel with and see how they use this feature. Wish I could give you an awnser, sorry.

 

It was a rhetorical question. Yes, a few people use it silently, or use it to control Winamp (only works with older versions, and can't you do it any other way?) or to minimize the game (I always run it in a window anyway, so I can just ALT-TAB out of it, or press the Windows key to regain my mouse pointer, then Minimize it like any other window. Also makes it easy to switch to Winamp or any other media player. Don't need a killtracker for those functions).

 

To answer my own question, in my experience the vast majority of killtracker users use it to generate annoying spam.

 

By the way, the new killtracker for Jedi Academy is out (find it yourselves, killtracker users, I'm not going to help you) and it has a !silent option. Killtracker spammers, er users I mean, please do everyone a favor and use it. It will still keep track of every one of your precious and important kills.

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Well, I just think that all the noobs with low slef esteem like AMadala said would NOT silence their kts, but I know I would. Think about it, you could use it anywhere, and it wouldn't mess up anything. I think though you can just make it say nothing can't you? I've never really tried that after all I'm one of those low-self-esteem noobs :D No, but I would like this silencing thing to keep track of your whole progress through the game, SP I know that might be impossible but also for SP, that would be cool also.

 

Something I noticed too, when you have KT on and you're running a server it clears all of the admin cmds that you type in it plus it erases all that ppl say to you, if it wouldn't erase I would also use it even more.

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what should happen is that the KT should check the motd to see if it contains a keyword, say, NOKT or something, and not let the spam feature be enabled on that server. That way, you don't have to mess with people ignoring server rules about it, and if you want spam, then just leave out the NOKT.

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Originally posted by Amidala from Chop Shop

...the incessant spamming of "so and so, you are the 34 person I have killed, 3 kills have come from you" (or the more juvenile variations like "so and so you are the 40 bitch I have ass raped") was very annoying in Jedi Knight II: Jedi Outcast...

 

... I have found that the best players, the ones who win consistently, don't use killtrackers. Using a killtracker in my experience is like waving a red flag that says "I am a mediocre player with low self-esteem, and spamming a message with each and every one of my infrequent kills compensates for the fact that I never win".

Ditto.

 

In fact, really the only thing that will get someone kick/banned off my server is how they conduct themselves in chat. Excessive whining, complaining, insulting/abusive language is NOT welcome. I also request that guests do not attempt to recruit clan memberships.

 

On a semi-related note, I witnessed the oddest thing the other day... someone was using my server to spam advertisements. Actually TWO people. One was spamming an ad for some kind of saber/hilt mod (with a lengthy statement of how great it is, etc. etc.) and the other was posting the web address for scifi.com.

 

I asked them politely to knock off the ads and they complied, so it didn't develop into a problem, but that certainly has to be one of the more bizarre things I've seen in a while.

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It's definately out, some guy named "Luke" joined my server and here was some of what went on (he was the only human):

 

339:45 say: ^1L^7uke: ^1Mau^7'^1Dae's ^7Kill Tracker^1 1.0 ^7-JK3 Edition- ^1maudae.avalonx.net

339:49 ClientDisconnect: 0

339:57 Kill: 2 3 3: Chewbacca killed Kyle Katarn by MOD_SABER

340:25 Kill: 2 4 3: Chewbacca killed Chiss by MOD_SABER

340:38 Kill: 4 2 3: Chiss killed Chewbacca by MOD_SABER

340:55 Item: 5 weapon_det_pack

340:59 Item: 5 item_shield_lrg_instant

341:00 Kill: 2 3 3: Chewbacca killed Kyle Katarn by MOD_SABER

341:02 say: Chewbacca: The Force is my guide.

341:14 Kill: 2 4 3: Chewbacca killed Chiss by MOD_SABER

341:35 Kill: 4 3 3: Chiss killed Kyle Katarn by MOD_SABER

341:37 say: Kyle Katarn: Lucky shot.

341:46 Kill: 2 4 3: Chewbacca killed Chiss by MOD_SABER

341:59 Kill: 5 3 3: ^1L^7uke killed Kyle Katarn by MOD_SABER

341:59 say: ^1L^7uke: ^1 Kyle Katarn ^7you are the^1 9 ^7person i have killed. Iv killed you^1 2 ^7times.

342:13 Kill: 4 2 3: Chiss killed Chewbacca by MOD_SABER

342:16 say: Chewbacca: The Force is strong in you, Chiss.

342:41 Kill: 2 3 3: Chewbacca killed Kyle Katarn by MOD_SABER

342:43 say: Kyle Katarn: How did that happen?!

342:55 Kill: 3 4 3: Kyle Katarn killed Chiss by MOD_SABER

342:55 Kill: 5 2 3: ^1L^7uke killed Chewbacca by MOD_SABER

342:56 say: ^1L^7uke: ^1 Chewbacca ^7you are the^1 10 ^7person i have killed. Iv killed you^1 1 ^7times.

343:05 Kill: 4 2 3: Chiss killed Chewbacca by MOD_SABER

343:40 Kill: 2 4 3: Chewbacca killed Chiss by MOD_SABER

343:41 Kill: 2 3 3: Chewbacca killed Kyle Katarn by MOD_SABER

343:48 Kill: 2 5 3: Chewbacca killed ^1L^7uke by MOD_SABER

344:00 Kill: 4 3 3: Chiss killed Kyle Katarn by MOD_SABER

344:03 say: Kyle Katarn: How did that happen?!

344:03 say: Chiss: I hope that didn't hurt too bad.

344:03 Item: 5 item_shield_lrg_instant

344:06 Item: 5 weapon_det_pack

344:09 Item: 5 weapon_det_pack

344:12 Kill: 2 4 3: Chewbacca killed Chiss by MOD_SABER

344:32 Kill: 5 2 3: ^1L^7uke killed Chewbacca by MOD_SABER

344:33 say: ^1L^7uke: ^1 Chewbacca ^7you are the^1 11 ^7person i have killed. Iv killed you^1 2 ^7times.

344:34 Kill: 5 4 3: ^1L^7uke killed Chiss by MOD_SABER

344:35 say: ^1L^7uke: ^1 Chiss ^7you are the^1 12 ^7person i have killed. Iv killed you^1 4 ^7times.

344:37 say: Chiss: It looks as if I have underestimated you.

344:57 Kill: 3 4 3: Kyle Katarn killed Chiss by MOD_SABER

345:19 Kill: 5 2 3: ^1L^7uke killed Chewbacca by MOD_SABER

345:20 say: ^1L^7uke: ^1 Chewbacca ^7you are the^1 13 ^7person i have killed. Iv killed you^1 3 ^7times.

345:43 Item: 5 weapon_det_pack

345:47 Item: 5 item_medpak_instant

345:52 Item: 5 item_shield_lrg_instant

345:52 Item: 5 item_medpak_instant

345:58 Kill: 4 2 3: Chiss killed Chewbacca by MOD_SABER

346:17 Kill: 4 3 3: Chiss killed Kyle Katarn by MOD_SABER

346:24 Kill: 5 2 27: ^1L^7uke killed Chewbacca by MOD_DET_PACK_SPLASH

346:25 say: ^1L^7uke: ^1 Chewbacca ^7you are the^1 14 ^7person i have killed. Iv killed you^1 4 ^7times.

346:40 Kill: 3 4 3: Kyle Katarn killed Chiss by MOD_SABER

346:50 Kill: 2 3 3: Chewbacca killed Kyle Katarn by MOD_SABER

347:58 Kill: 2 4 3: Chewbacca killed Chiss by MOD_SABER

348:02 say: Chiss: It looks as if I have underestimated you.

348:05 ClientDisconnect: 2

348:05 ClientDisconnect: 3

348:05 ClientDisconnect: 4

348:07 ClientConnect: 0

348:07 ClientBegin: 0

348:07 ClientConnect: 1

348:07 ClientBegin: 1

348:07 ClientConnect: 2

348:07 ClientBegin: 2

348:07 ClientConnect: 3

348:07 ClientBegin: 3

348:17 Kill: 1 5 31: HiredThug#2 killed ^1L^7uke by MOD_FORCE_DARK

348:40 Kill: 5 0 3: ^1L^7uke killed HiredThug#1 by MOD_SABER

348:41 Kill: 2 5 3: HiredThug#3 killed ^1L^7uke by MOD_SABER

348:41 say: ^1L^7uke: ^1 HiredThug#1 ^7you are the^1 15 ^7person i have killed. Iv killed you^1 1 ^7times.

349:21 Kill: 1 2 3: HiredThug#2 killed HiredThug#3 by MOD_SABER

349:28 Kill: 0 5 31: HiredThug#1 killed ^1L^7uke by MOD_FORCE_DARK

349:39 Kill: 5 2 3: ^1L^7uke killed HiredThug#3 by MOD_SABER

349:39 Kill: 0 1 3: HiredThug#1 killed HiredThug#2 by MOD_SABER

349:39 say: ^1L^7uke: ^1 HiredThug#3 ^7you are the^1 16 ^7person i have killed. Iv killed you^1 1 ^7times.

349:41 say: HiredThug#2: For that, you shall pay!

349:51 Kill: 2 3 3: HiredThug#3 killed HiredThug#4 by MOD_SABER

350:01 Kill: 5 1 3: ^1L^7uke killed HiredThug#2 by MOD_SABER

350:01 say: ^1L^7uke: ^1 HiredThug#2 ^7you are the^1 17 ^7person i have killed. Iv killed you^1 1 ^7times.

350:04 Kill: 5 2 3: ^1L^7uke killed HiredThug#3 by MOD_SABER

350:04 say: HiredThug#2: For that, you shall pay!

350:04 say: ^1L^7uke: ^1 HiredThug#3 ^7you are the^1 18 ^7person i have killed. Iv killed you^1 2 ^7times.

350:14 Kill: 5 0 3: ^1L^7uke killed HiredThug#1 by MOD_SABER

350:14 say: ^1L^7uke: ^1 HiredThug#1 ^7you are the^1 19 ^7person i have killed. Iv killed you^1 2 ^7times.

350:38 Kill: 2 5 4: HiredThug#3 killed ^1L^7uke by MOD_BRYAR_PISTOL

350:41 Kill: 2 3 3: HiredThug#3 killed HiredThug#4 by MOD_SABER

350:44 Kill: 2 0 3: HiredThug#3 killed HiredThug#1 by MOD_SABER

350:57 Kill: 0 1 3: HiredThug#1 killed HiredThug#2 by MOD_SABER

351:02 Kill: 3 1 3: HiredThug#4 killed HiredThug#2 by MOD_SABER

351:06 Kill: 0 5 3: HiredThug#1 killed ^1L^7uke by MOD_SABER

351:12 Kill: 1 2 31: HiredThug#2 killed HiredThug#3 by MOD_FORCE_DARK

351:34 Kill: 3 0 3: HiredThug#4 killed HiredThug#1 by MOD_SABER

351:38 Kill: 1 3 3: HiredThug#2 killed HiredThug#4 by MOD_SABER

351:41 say: HiredThug#4: Where are my minions when I need them!

351:53 Kill: 1 2 3: HiredThug#2 killed HiredThug#3 by MOD_SABER

351:57 Kill: 5 1 31: ^1L^7uke killed HiredThug#2 by MOD_FORCE_DARK

351:58 say: ^1L^7uke: ^1 HiredThug#2 ^7you are the^1 20 ^7person i have killed. Iv killed you^1 2 ^7times.

352:00 say: HiredThug#2: For that, you shall pay!

352:05 Kill: 2 0 3: HiredThug#3 killed HiredThug#1 by MOD_SABER

352:19 Kill: 3 5 31: HiredThug#4 killed ^1L^7uke by MOD_FORCE_DARK

352:37 Kill: 1 0 3: HiredThug#2 killed HiredThug#1 by MOD_SABER

352:52 ClientDisconnect: 3

352:53 Kill: 5 1 31: ^1L^7uke killed HiredThug#2 by MOD_FORCE_DARK

352:54 say: ^1L^7uke: ^1 HiredThug#2 ^7you are the^1 21 ^7person i have killed. Iv killed you^1 3 ^7times.

353:23 Kill: 5 1 31: ^1L^7uke killed HiredThug#2 by MOD_FORCE_DARK

353:23 Kill: 5 0 31: ^1L^7uke killed HiredThug#1 by MOD_FORCE_DARK

353:24 say: ^1L^7uke: ^1 HiredThug#2 ^7you are the^1 22 ^7person i have killed. Iv killed you^1 4 ^7times.

353:50 Kill: 5 2 31: ^1L^7uke killed HiredThug#3 by MOD_FORCE_DARK

353:51 say: ^1L^7uke: ^1 HiredThug#3 ^7you are the^1 24 ^7person i have killed. Iv killed you^1 3 ^7times.

354:02 Kill: 1 5 31: HiredThug#2 killed ^1L^7uke by MOD_FORCE_DARK

354:18 Kill: 0 1 3: HiredThug#1 killed HiredThug#2 by MOD_SABER

354:22 Kill: 2 0 3: HiredThug#3 killed HiredThug#1 by MOD_SABER

354:26 say: HiredThug#3: That should teach you to cross me.

354:33 Kill: 5 2 31: ^1L^7uke killed HiredThug#3 by MOD_FORCE_DARK

354:34 say: ^1L^7uke: ^1 HiredThug#3 ^7you are the^1 25 ^7person i have killed. Iv killed you^1 4 ^7times.

354:43 Kill: 2 1 3: HiredThug#3 killed HiredThug#2 by MOD_SABER

354:47 Item: 5 item_medpak_instant

354:47 Item: 5 item_shield_lrg_instant

354:51 Item: 5 item_medpak_instant

354:54 Item: 5 weapon_det_pack

354:56 Item: 5 weapon_det_pack

355:01 Kill: 0 2 3: HiredThug#1 killed HiredThug#3 by MOD_SABER

355:24 Kill: 1 0 3: HiredThug#2 killed HiredThug#1 by MOD_SABER

355:34 Kill: 1 5 31: HiredThug#2 killed ^1L^7uke by MOD_FORCE_DARK

355:34 Kill: 5 1 27: ^1L^7uke killed HiredThug#2 by MOD_DET_PACK_SPLASH

355:35 say: ^1L^7uke: ^1 HiredThug#2 ^7you are the^1 26 ^7person i have killed. Iv killed you^1 5 ^7times.

355:50 Kill: 5 1 3: ^1L^7uke killed HiredThug#2 by MOD_SABER

355:51 say: ^1L^7uke: ^1 HiredThug#2 ^7you are the^1 27 ^7person i have killed. Iv killed you^1 6 ^7times.

355:51 Kill: 2 0 3: HiredThug#3 killed HiredThug#1 by MOD_SABER

355:54 Kill: 1 2 3: HiredThug#2 killed HiredThug#3 by MOD_SABER

355:56 say: HiredThug#3: You killed me!

355:56 Kill: 0 5 31: HiredThug#1 killed ^1L^7uke by MOD_FORCE_DARK

355:59 say: HiredThug#1: This is the way that it should be.

356:06 say: ^1L^7uke: !ratio

356:08 say: ^1L^7uke: ^1FFA:^7-^1 1.59 ^7kills per death.^7 -^1 DUELS: ^7- Won^1 0 ^7percent.

356:12 Kill: 2 0 3: HiredThug#3 killed HiredThug#1 by MOD_SABER

356:34 Kill: 5 0 31: ^1L^7uke killed HiredThug#1 by MOD_FORCE_DARK

356:35 say: ^1L^7uke: ^1 HiredThug#1 ^7you are the^1 28 ^7person i have killed. Iv killed you^1 4 ^7times.

356:38 say: HiredThug#1: Sssssskkkk... you are starting to anger me.

356:48 Kill: 2 0 3: HiredThug#3 killed HiredThug#1 by MOD_SABER

357:11 Kill: 5 1 31: ^1L^7uke killed HiredThug#2 by MOD_FORCE_DARK

357:12 say: ^1L^7uke: ^1 HiredThug#2 ^7you are the^1 29 ^7person i have killed. Iv killed you^1 7 ^7times.

357:28 Kill: 1 5 3: HiredThug#2 killed ^1L^7uke by MOD_SABER

357:49 Kill: 1 0 31: HiredThug#2 killed HiredThug#1 by MOD_FORCE_DARK

357:58 Item: 5 item_medpak_instant

357:58 Item: 5 item_shield_lrg_instant

358:01 Item: 5 item_medpak_instant

358:04 Kill: 1 2 3: HiredThug#2 killed HiredThug#3 by MOD_SABER

358:30 Kill: 2 1 3: HiredThug#3 killed HiredThug#2 by MOD_SABER

358:31 Kill: 0 2 3: HiredThug#1 killed HiredThug#3 by MOD_SABER

358:58 Kill: 0 2 3: HiredThug#1 killed HiredThug#3 by MOD_SABER

359:11 Kill: 5 216 3: ^1L^7uke killed by MOD_SABER

359:13 Kill: 1 0 31: HiredThug#2 killed HiredThug#1 by MOD_FORCE_DARK

359:24 Kill: 1 2 3: HiredThug#2 killed HiredThug#3 by MOD_SABER

359:33 Kill: 5 1 31: ^1L^7uke killed HiredThug#2 by MOD_FORCE_DARK

359:34 say: ^1L^7uke: ^1 HiredThug#2 ^7you are the^1 30 ^7person i have killed. Iv killed you^1 8 ^7times.

359:48 Kill: 1 0 3: HiredThug#2 killed HiredThug#1 by MOD_SABER

359:51 say: HiredThug#1: Sssssskkkk... you are starting to anger me.

359:56 Kill: 2 1 3: HiredThug#3 killed HiredThug#2 by MOD_SABER

359:59 say: HiredThug#3: That should teach you to cross me.

360:13 Kill: 0 2 3: HiredThug#1 killed HiredThug#3 by MOD_SABER

360:25 Item: 5 item_medpak_instant

360:25 Item: 5 item_shield_lrg_instant

360:28 Item: 5 item_medpak_instant

360:31 Item: 5 weapon_det_pack

360:33 Item: 5 weapon_det_pack

360:37 Kill: 2 0 3: HiredThug#3 killed HiredThug#1 by MOD_SABER

361:04 Kill: 1 2 3: HiredThug#2 killed HiredThug#3 by MOD_SABER

361:13 Kill: 5 1 31: ^1L^7uke killed HiredThug#2 by MOD_FORCE_DARK

361:14 Kill: 2 0 3: HiredThug#3 killed HiredThug#1 by MOD_SABER

361:14 say: ^1L^7uke: ^1 HiredThug#2 ^7you are the^1 31 ^7person i have killed. Iv killed you^1 9 ^7times.

361:40 Kill: 0 2 3: HiredThug#1 killed HiredThug#3 by MOD_SABER

361:48 Kill: 5 2 3: ^1L^7uke killed HiredThug#3 by MOD_SABER

361:49 say: ^1L^7uke: ^1 HiredThug#3 ^7you are the^1 32 ^7person i have killed. Iv killed you^1 5 ^7times.

362:00 Kill: 5 1 3: ^1L^7uke killed HiredThug#2 by MOD_SABER

362:01 say: ^1L^7uke: ^1 HiredThug#2 ^7you are the^1 33 ^7person i have killed. Iv killed you^1 10 ^7times.

362:18 Kill: 2 5 3: HiredThug#3 killed ^1L^7uke by MOD_SABER

362:29 say: ^1L^7uke: !stats

362:30 say: ^1L^7uke: ^1FFA:^7 Kills:^1 33 ^7Deaths:^1 19 ^7-^1 DUELS: ^7Total:^1 1 ^7W/L^1 0/1

362:53 Kill: 2 0 3: HiredThug#3 killed HiredThug#1 by MOD_SABER

362:54 Item: 5 item_shield_lrg_instant

362:57 say: HiredThug#1: Sssssskkkk... you are starting to anger me.

363:00 Item: 5 weapon_det_pack

 

And on, and on, etc it goes. I agree, the kill tracker is a pretty silly, spammy and pathetic deal because people use it to broadcast pointless statistics (really taunts) showing how "good" they are.

 

That little sample was just annoying, but if people get in the habit of using them on my server, I may decide to ban them altogether.

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If you think that's bad, you should see what it's like on a server with 20 people if several of them have spamspawners, er killtrackers. On one of my JK2 servers we have duel_temple and with 15-20 people it's not unusual to have 600-1100 kills in 16 minutes. With those damn killtrackers it's a non-stop spamfest.

 

I have an automated message on my Jedi Academy servers that says "Killtracker users, silence them with !silent or !ktoff. It will still count kills. REPEAT OFFENDERS WILL BE BANNED!"

 

Kurgan, if you read your server logfiles as I do to see what happened when you wren't there, may I suggest you use Quake Chat by Aphextwin of Jedi Runner fame? http://www.gamerunners.com/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=getit&lid=14

It filters out all but the chat, making it easier to read the logfile. Unfortunately, killtracker spam is included in chat, so you will see that too. I have been working with Aphextwin on an improved version called Jedi Chat that filters out most killtracker spam. He will get back to it when Jedi Academy Runner is perfected.

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Originally posted by Amidala from Chop Shop

I have an automated message on my Jedi Academy servers that says "Killtracker users, silence them with !silent or !ktoff. It will still count kills. REPEAT OFFENDERS WILL BE BANNED!"

 

That's interesting... Do you mean the server broadcasts a meesage every now and then or just broadcasts it at every map change?

 

If it broadcasts every now and then, I'd be interested in knowing how you accomplished it, it would be handy for my server as well. :)

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Amidala, U know I spen much time on your Chop Shop servers. I have come to find that one player (Temporal Eclipse) uses the Mau'Dae JA KT, He silences it but then spams music. At one time, I had a kill tracker on her jk2 servers and I had one simple little message: 500 kills. All my message was was the number of kills. Now that is not a lot of spam unless u do a lot of owning which I didnt do.

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