RpTheHotrod Posted November 16, 2003 Author Share Posted November 16, 2003 No, I don't believe there is a quota. I've accepted Christ, and that's what matters. I just tend to have loyalty inside me and try to do the right thing. I've just always been taught growing up homosexuality is wrong. Get what I'm saying? It isn't just the Bible, but also personal beliefs inside from being taught a certain way. However, I really appeciate the positive responses. When some friends of mine found out, well....let's just say they wish I would kill myself, and they've tried talking me into it. Some friends... they'll have nothing to do with me....so I wasn't quite sure the responses I'd get here, but I felt I could trust you guys. Have made a few friends here at LF Thanks guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShockV1.89 Posted November 17, 2003 Share Posted November 17, 2003 Makes me furious to think that there are such people out there that would react to your decision by breaking relations with you and encouraging you to kill yourself..... Disgusting. Get what I'm saying? It isn't just the Bible, but also personal beliefs inside from being taught a certain way. I guess it's time to reevaluate these personal beliefs. You can do it. We all do, at some point in time in our lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurgan Posted November 19, 2003 Share Posted November 19, 2003 Christian, in my books, isn't Catholic I really don't listen to anyone concerning religion unless they are from the Bible itself. I strongly disagree, but I'm sure you meant no offense. Since it's off topic I won't launch into a big debate about the Christian-ness of Catholicism. Anyway, on to my main response to this thread: In my belief system it's not so much non-heterosexuality itself that is wrong (if indeed you accept that it's something "natural" whoever you may desire to be different), but rather if you abuse it. Sexuality itself is a gift, but anybody can abuse it through choice or weakness. The fact is, some people commit rape, abandon or abuse their children, have abortions, break people's hearts, spread STD's, etc. You don't have to be homosexual or bisexual to commit sexual sins. And some people are naturally attracted to children. But as long as they don't give in to their "natural" desires, they are not doing anything wrong. Are they? Sex is an adult activity that requires responsiblity. Like driving and other adult activities there are probably a lot of people out there that we'd all be better off if they DIDN'T engage in it, since they can't handle it. Others can handle it just fine and they don't hurt themselves or anyone else, because they are mature and responsible. You of course may not believe as I do. Nature only goes so far, you have to decide how to live your life, what to do with your strengths and weaknesses. Nobody said life would be easy or that we'd never make mistakes. I suggest talking to people you trust who may have the same "problems" you do. Remember though that they're only human.. people like you struggling with life and trying to figure things out. Just don't give up, it's a cliche, but the fact is you can adapt, grow, live through it, with enough strength of will and perserverance (but it helps to have people listen and give advice now and then). Having "purity of thought" is an ideal that we can strive for. The fact of the matter is, this is one of the hardest things and most if not all people I'm sure fall short of perfection. Yet, it's still something that can be desirable to guide right action. Actions I believe are more important than thoughts, but of course thoughts influence actions. But controlling ourselves and taking responsiblity are lifelong processes, not something we are born with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RpTheHotrod Posted November 19, 2003 Author Share Posted November 19, 2003 Sorry, Kurgan. Let me re-phrase real quick. A "Christian" to me is someone who has accepted Christ as their saviour and believes in the Word of God in and out. A lot of people's definition of a christian is a catholic. I was saying that wasn't my definition of a Christian when it comes to me. I was stating that I'm a Christian, but explaining what I meant by being a Christian. and it's true that Catholics can become a Christian by my definition. I was just explaining what I meant when I said I was one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kain Posted November 20, 2003 Share Posted November 20, 2003 Okey, here goes. Kain = 100% Heterosexual, 0% Homophobe. What Kain thinks about RP = Cool guy, and nothing is gonna change that. I don't find anything about other men attractive (Hell, I hate my own male body. So ugly and hairy, ugh. Thats just me). The only gay guy who has ever gotten on my nerves about being gay is the guy who tried gettin my girlfriend to break up with me so I'd go out with him (one of my ex's implanted the idea in his head that I was Bi...bitch) Well, the whole Bible up in arms against Homosexuals is kinda...questionable. Its been way too altered over the past 2000 years(reading a translation is basically like reading a 12 year olds book report on the subject, if you catch my drift). Anyone who thinks homosexuals are bad, evil, or whatever need to be dragged out into the street and beaten by the people they hate so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeiamyourdad Posted November 21, 2003 Share Posted November 21, 2003 Not wanting to offend anyone, but the bible is 2000 years old based on values that are even older... Maybe it's time for someone to write a passage in the bible that says being gay is not wrong. Can people do that? I'm sorry, I'm not christian so I don't really know... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joetheeskimo Posted November 21, 2003 Share Posted November 21, 2003 That's like saying the Qoran is too old to be trusted by Muslims, it's time to be changed. In the last verse of Revelation, it openly condemns anyone who dares to add, remove, or change anything in the bible. And it's not "based on old values". This isn't a man-made book. It's God's word. Evertything in there is exactly what God said, and God still exists now, right? So it's not at all "old". I don't want to make this into a flame war, but being gay IS a crime. Intentionally, it is. But rp, he is not doing it intentionally, with himself in mind. Not at all. Therefore, I would say his consciense is clean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShockV1.89 Posted November 21, 2003 Share Posted November 21, 2003 Actually, that particular passage of revelations is referring to the book of revelations itself. These books/letters were written independently, for the most part, and so generally when they refer to themselves, it's that particular book. So I dont suppose there is any real reason why another book couldn't pop up, except the Church would openly condemn it and nobody would take it seriously, despite it likely having just as much authenticity as(if not more than) the old bible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeiamyourdad Posted November 21, 2003 Share Posted November 21, 2003 I'm not saying it's too old or anything. Somethings requires an update to modern time. Religion ain't attracting a lot of newer disciples mainly because people think it's not up-to-date with the people of today... I'm going to take a Buddhist example. Buddha openly said not to be blinded by only what he says but instead try to explore his saying and go further so that the philosophy is always updated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrion Posted November 21, 2003 Share Posted November 21, 2003 That's like saying the Qoran is too old to be trusted by Muslims, it's time to be changed. In the last verse of Revelation, it openly condemns anyone who dares to add, remove, or change anything in the bible. And it's not "based on old values". This isn't a man-made book. It's God's word. Evertything in there is exactly what God said, and God still exists now, right? So it's not at all "old". The bible is essentially playing telephone between God and the four people who wrote the Bible. Someone is bound to get an important detail wrong, if just for the fact they're human. If god created the bible, he'd just make the bible by himself. I don't want to make this into a flame war, but being gay IS a crime. Intentionally, it is. But rp, he is not doing it intentionally, with himself in mind. Not at all. Therefore, I would say his consciense is clean. Crime in the real world, or a crime according to the bible. If you mean a crime in the real world, then you are pretty far from the truth. Probably about half the states in the US lets homosexuality be allowed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZBomber Posted November 21, 2003 Share Posted November 21, 2003 (Hell, I hate my own male body. So ugly and hairy, ugh. Thats just me). Me too..... I'm actually suprised that all females aren't lesbians. But RP, your like what, 19, 20, 21? Your still pretty young, and you might still be going through ouberty (Puberty lasts forever >_<) But your at the part where it desn't mess with your body, but with your mind. So, do what you want, only ignorant people will think of you differently, but you shouldn't listen to those people. So in the end, the choice is yours Rp. Follow your heart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeiamyourdad Posted November 21, 2003 Share Posted November 21, 2003 Crime in the real world, or a crime according to the bible. If you mean a crime in the real world, then you are pretty far from the truth. Probably about half the states in the US lets homosexuality be allowed. [/b] Well there's still a lot of states who have outlawed homosexuality...still too many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZBomber Posted November 21, 2003 Share Posted November 21, 2003 Originally posted by lukeiamyourdad Crime in the real world, or a crime according to the bible. If you mean a crime in the real world, then you are pretty far from the truth. Probably about half the states in the US lets homosexuality be allowed. Well there's still a lot of states who have outlawed homosexuality...still too many. [/b] I may be wrong, but I think Mass is the first state to allow Gay marriages. I may be wrong, I wasn't even sure if they were legal until today, but I guess they are now..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShockV1.89 Posted November 21, 2003 Share Posted November 21, 2003 RP. You're not alone in your feelings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeskywalker1 Posted November 21, 2003 Share Posted November 21, 2003 37 states are against homosexuality, i dont know what the rest are doing, nuetral, for it, staying out of it (if you can do that) or just undecided, i know massachusuettes (spelling) is for it... Also, Christianity is still as valid as it was 2000 years ago. The bible still applies today. Sure, it might refer to some ancient items, or things that dont exist today, but i assure you, the things that are written are true, and the moral is also relevant right now, in our lives. The bible is essentially playing telephone between God and the four people who wrote the Bible. Someone is bound to get an important detail wrong, if just for the fact they're human. If god created the bible, he'd just make the bible by himself. The bible says somwhere that its God's word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShockV1.89 Posted November 21, 2003 Share Posted November 21, 2003 I'm feeling divinely inspired right now. I'll write a new Bible and say it's Gods word. Prove me wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeiamyourdad Posted November 21, 2003 Share Posted November 21, 2003 I'm just saying somethings are inevitable and have to change. I could be wrong but the bible also said to kill prostitutes, women who committed adultery, homosexuals,etc. (I'm not sure about the Kill thing correct me if I'm wrong) Nevertheless, that would be a lot of people...considering 83% of all women commit adultery... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurgan Posted November 21, 2003 Share Posted November 21, 2003 considering 83% of all women commit adultery... Source?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinWalker Posted November 21, 2003 Share Posted November 21, 2003 Originally posted by lukeiamyourdad Nevertheless, that would be a lot of people...considering 83% of all women commit adultery... You base this on what referrence? What source of information? Edit: Okay, so I'm an echo ... Kurgan beat me to it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RpTheHotrod Posted November 21, 2003 Author Share Posted November 21, 2003 Attack of the admin/moderators!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kain Posted November 21, 2003 Share Posted November 21, 2003 I'd guess its from a poll or survey or some **** like that. Anyhoo, the Bible can't be taken in full swing like it used too. Kings have changed it, Tom Jefferson changed it, ect. Those, someones idiocy in translating with there artistic liscense (whos gonna tell them they were wrong in THEIR translations?), and all kindsa goodies (who knows how many Kings actually did modify the Bible for their own twisted purposes?) make it rather hard to take any of it seriously (how many of you have original scrolls, hand written by Luke and John and the rest?). For all we know, an early king was embarrassed by a homosexual and said the Bible was against it, and then everybodys fears and hatred (humans fear what they do not understand, and fear leads to hatred) openly welcomed it when the scribes started throwin em out to the public (PROVE it didn't happen, and none of that prove it did bs either). Theres my 2 cents Peace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joetheeskimo Posted November 22, 2003 Share Posted November 22, 2003 Originally posted by lukeiamyourdad (I'm not sure about the Kill thing correct me if I'm wrong) You seem to say that a lot lately. If you don't have a foot to stand on, don't talk like you do. Either that, or buy a Bible. Originally posted by Tyrion Crime in the real world, or a crime according to the bible. If you mean a crime in the real world, then you are pretty far from the truth. Probably about half the states in the US lets homosexuality be allowed. I mean in the bible. I don't base what I say on what the world thinks. Originally posted by Tyrion The bible is essentially playing telephone between God and the four people who wrote the Bible. Someone is bound to get an important detail wrong, if just for the fact they're human. If god created the bible, he'd just make the bible by himself. You could be right, but it says in the Catchism that the Bible was written by "men possessed by the Holy Spirit." That would mean the Holy Spirit made sure they got it right; prevented them from making mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShockV1.89 Posted November 22, 2003 Share Posted November 22, 2003 And the Catechism has some foolproof way to know that these men were indeed divinely inspired? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeiamyourdad Posted November 22, 2003 Share Posted November 22, 2003 Hmm...I don't think I'm going to buy a bible anytime soon...nevertheless it's something I heard so it's not very reliable, thus why I'm saying that if I'm wrong correct me so now I'll know what's right, is that so complicated? As for 83%, it's a a poll taken from a radio show(also taken by another poll from a reliable magazine something like cosmo...). The poll was obviously anomynous, personnally I'm not even impressed by that number. I thought it was like 90% or something higher... I'm not flaming christianity, but following everything in the bible, word by word might lead to a fanatic interpretation of it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeskywalker1 Posted November 22, 2003 Share Posted November 22, 2003 I could be wrong but the bible also said to kill prostitutes, women who committed adultery, homosexuals,etc. If it is, im sure theres something simular, but its in old testament law. Ive said in other threads certain things in the old testament where changed in the new testament, that was one of those things... Tom Jefferson changed it Thomas Jefferson wrote his own bible, taking out, and adding to the bible. Its in a museum now i believe... I know ive said this before, but the bible is VERY reliable. Read up on the Incredible Accuracy of the Bible a little quote: There are approximately 20,000 lines in the New Testament. Remember, there are 24,000 copies of the New Testament. Wouldn't you expect, with that many more copies than any other document of antiquity, more lines in question with one another? How many lines in question are there among the 24,000 documents of the 2nd century (New Testament)? The answer is an astounding 40! It is a distortion rate of 0.2 percent, which is 25 times purer than the next reliable book of antiquity. Moreover, in every case without exception, the differences among the manuscripts are spelling, capitalization, and in even rarer cases, punctuation. Many of the things have been partially proven in the bible too. For example, they found Egyptain Chariots in the sea that Moses seperated, they found a rock somewhere, and it had "David King of Israel" written on it. The bible lists complete family histories. It also lists dates. There are too many reason to NOT make this up, look what happend to the people who wrote the bible... they died! Why would someone like Paul, die for something if he was making up what happend in the bible? Die for a lie? Why? All he had to do was say it was made up and they would have let him go, but he didnt! Theres no payoff for paul if he was lying all along... unless its true! It is true, believe me. Why would I lie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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