n.kT3M4 Posted January 8, 2004 Share Posted January 8, 2004 well as you all now sadly my theards and polls are dying out on this lifeless formual page so heres another to wast your time looking at mmmaaaaahhhhhhhaaaa:sprobe: :evil2: isn't evil great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabbas WhOr3 Posted January 8, 2004 Share Posted January 8, 2004 Yub nub, eee chop yub nub; Ah toe meet toe peechee keene, G'noop dock fling oh ah. Yahwah, eee chop yahwah; Ah toe meet toe peechee keene, G'noop dock fling oh ah. Coatee chah tu yub nub; Coatee chah tu yahwah; Coatee chah tu glowah; Allay loo ta nuv. Glowah, eee chop glowah; Ya glowah pee chu nee foam, Ah toot dee awe goon daa. * Coatee cha tu goo; (Yub nub!) Coatee cha tu doo; (Yahwah!) Coatee cha tu too; (Ya chaa!) Allay loo ta nuv, Allay loo ta nuv, Allay loo ta nuv. Glowah, eee chop glowah. Ya glowah pee chu nee foam Ah toot dee awe goon daa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
txa1265 Posted January 8, 2004 Share Posted January 8, 2004 I would vote ... but I have no idea what you are asking ... what 'original' KotOR? Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabbas WhOr3 Posted January 8, 2004 Share Posted January 8, 2004 Originally posted by txa1265 I would vote ... but I have no idea what you are asking ... what 'original' KotOR? Mike Im thinking he was meaning the original series with people such as luke skywalker, around that age anyway. Did anyone like my ewok celebration song? I like KotOr the way it is btw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Fisher Posted January 8, 2004 Share Posted January 8, 2004 I like the game as it is... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
txa1265 Posted January 8, 2004 Share Posted January 8, 2004 Originally posted by Jabbas WhOr3 Im thinking he was meaning the original series with people such as luke skywalker, around that age anyway. Did anyone like my ewok celebration song? I like KotOr the way it is btw OK, thanks - I suppose I can make that out working back from the answer Personally, I think jumping back in time allowed such freedom for Bioware - look at how difficult it was for the Jedi Knight series to come up with decent plot contrivances to allow Jedi enemies. Yet at the same time they pay homage after homage to the original trilogies and prequels ... ... and, yes, I like the Ewok celebration song. Oh wait - *your* Ewok celebration song Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceButler14 Posted January 8, 2004 Share Posted January 8, 2004 you just HAD to go and get that stuck in my head........... gee, well, thanks.............. gah, stupid ewok's broken.............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Posted January 8, 2004 Share Posted January 8, 2004 I certainly like the freedom story-wise the Old Republic era provides, but it would be cool to be able to take on Stormtroopers and things of that nature. So I'd like to see a game in the New Republic era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
txa1265 Posted January 8, 2004 Share Posted January 8, 2004 Originally posted by Prime I certainly like the freedom story-wise the Old Republic era provides, but it would be cool to be able to take on Stormtroopers and things of that nature. So I'd like to see a game in the New Republic era. Unfortunately the best scenario for such a game would be between Ep II and IV, and you 'd be a fallen Jedi out taking out good Jedi ... Otherwise you get back to the OPKMLS (overgrown purple kowakian monkey lizard scenario). Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clemme w/Stick Posted January 8, 2004 Share Posted January 8, 2004 Originally posted by txa1265 Unfortunately the best scenario for such a game would be between Ep II and IV, and you 'd be a fallen Jedi out taking out good Jedi ... Otherwise you get back to the OPKMLS (overgrown purple kowakian monkey lizard scenario). Mike Yea, between II and IV or between III and IV. Doesnt really matter much to me, but yea, a game in that time frame would be nice. Of course we dont want to get back into that scenario. It sucked...or didnt suck that much. I dont think there was much SW in that scenario, oh well . -Clemme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
txa1265 Posted January 8, 2004 Share Posted January 8, 2004 Originally posted by Clemme w/Stick Yea, between II and IV or between III and IV. Doesnt really matter much to me, but yea, a game in that time frame would be nice. Of course we dont want to get back into that scenario. It sucked...or didnt suck that much. I dont think there was much SW in that scenario, oh well . -Clemme Personally I liked the plots from JKII and JA. But they are only of a 'FPG' (FPS with RPG-ish elements) scope. You really need something with fairly epic sweep. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vestril Posted January 8, 2004 Share Posted January 8, 2004 after III comes out you could place it between III & IV as a light jedi--you could even give him the choice of becoming light or dark =). Just get a Jedi Master in hiding to train someone new (a LLuke Skywalker Scenario...) this new guy tries to take on the Empire! If he goes light, he winds up dying in the end, if he goes dark, he becomes one of the emperor's men... You'd get to fight Stormtroopers and it would be set in a reasonably constraint-free time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
txa1265 Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 Hmmm ... interesting scenario, Vestril - if you go Dark Side you try to take out good Jedi and rebel troops. If you are light, you try to stop fallen Jedi from eliminating good Jedi, and kill off bad clones and stormies ... But would that be a KotOR-ish scenario, of a Jedi Academy one ... ? I'll take both Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabbas WhOr3 Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 Originally posted by SpaceButler13 you just HAD to go and get that stuck in my head........... gee, well, thanks.............. gah, stupid ewok's broken.............. And now you can also listen to it :D http://www.neuvel.net/Audio%20files/yubnub.wav Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n.kT3M4 Posted January 9, 2004 Author Share Posted January 9, 2004 No no no what Im refeing to when I say orginal I mean orginal kotor so let the choas begin mmmmmuuuuuaaaaahhhaaa:sprobe: :evil2: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eidospsogos Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 this was the original kotor. i don't know what sources you are pulling your talk of an original with the features you mentioned. but i'm guessing it's pure conjecture. rumor and nothing more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eidospsogos Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 here is a quote from the poll's author, as to what he is referring to. Originally posted by n.kT3M4 Well I'am defiinatly going be saying yes it needs more viraty and I heard that Knights the orginal verison of it of crouse was going have four classes in it there was going be a bounty hunter class a Jedi class were you start out as a jedi so the guestion is where has it all gone now I want be able to be a sith/bounty hunter. :ball: which is obviously lacking in sources to back it up. especially since the plot in this game depends largely on you NOT being a jedi in the beginning. so i personally think what you've heard about the ORIGINAL version is probably just rumor. it is a central element of the plot that you NOT be a jedi in the beginning of the game. and though it would be plausible to work this possibility in, it would take too much re-writing in the beginning of the game for them ever to have considered this merely for the option of an extra class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Posted January 13, 2004 Share Posted January 13, 2004 Originally posted by txa1265 Unfortunately the best scenario for such a game would be between Ep II and IV, and you 'd be a fallen Jedi out taking out good Jedi ... Why is that? I would think the new Jedi Academy provides lots of room for RPGing, although admittedly less than the Old Republic era. Why would it be necessary for it to take place between Eps 2 and 4? Originally posted by txa1265 Otherwise you get back to the OPKMLS (overgrown purple kowakian monkey lizard scenario). Well I don't want that! Originally posted by Clemme w/Stick Yea, between II and IV or between III and IV. Unfortunately in that timeframe if you are lightside no matter what you do, it is kind of pointless. Almost all the Jedi will be killed, the Order destroyed, and the Republic will fall. It would just be kind of disheartening Plus, for all we know right now the vast majority of the Jedi may be gone by the end of Ep 3. That would hinder a Jedi based game. I suppose this all shows that this is exactly why Bioware selected the Old Republic era. Ideally, it is an easier sell to get people to play a game in the Prequel/Original Trilogy/New Republic eras due to familiarity. But then it is hard to have an epic story that ties into the continuity. The Old Republic gives them a free hand, while still having it fit snuggly into the Star Wars timeline. Originally posted by n.kT3M4 No no no what Im refeing to when I say orginal I mean orginal kotor so let the choas begin Eh, OK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
txa1265 Posted January 13, 2004 Share Posted January 13, 2004 Originally posted by Prime Why is that? I would think the new Jedi Academy provides lots of room for RPGing, although admittedly less than the Old Republic era. Why would it be necessary for it to take place between Eps 2 and 4? It does, and I think we got a hint of that in Jedi Academy. *However* - where the problem lies in the new Jedi Academy era is not in RP'ing as a character, or even coming up with some significant battles/enemies/threats. The problem comes from coming up with saber-wielding enemies. Jedi Outcast worked to some extent, although my issue isn't so much with Dessan as it is the Valley of the Jedi thing. I actually thought Jedi Academy's pretense was better, especially as it followed on to JKII. But what comes next - we find that one of Jerec's disciples actually escaped, clinging to life, and has devoted his life to the destruction of the Jedi, training new dark warriors? As for the Episode II - IV era, I know that as a lightsider (which we both are) it would be a bit of a downer, but think about Dash Rendar (Shadows of the Empire) he has to die, it is inevitable. Also, since the new era fiction has made it clear that some Jedi *did* go into hiding or simply escape the purge, why not have the light side ending include Yoda or someone else telling the hero what a great job they did and that they should go into hiding ... or something. Welcome back, Lucasforums! Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Posted January 14, 2004 Share Posted January 14, 2004 Originally posted by txa1265 The problem comes from coming up with saber-wielding enemies. Jedi Outcast worked to some extent, although my issue isn't so much with Dessan as it is the Valley of the Jedi thing. I actually thought Jedi Academy's pretense was better, especially as it followed on to JKII. But what comes next - we find that one of Jerec's disciples actually escaped, clinging to life, and has devoted his life to the destruction of the Jedi, training new dark warriors? Good point. Personally, I like the Reborn. After their initial (somewhat contrived) creation, I felt that they were a decent enough opponant to keep around for a series of games. IMO this would be better than having to come up with new ways to get these sort of enemies every time. After they are established, keep them going. They could always keep their numbers up the same way as the Academy, by getting natural force-sensitive beings. Just a thought. Point taken though Originally posted by txa1265 As for the Episode II - IV era, I know that as a lightsider (which we both are) it would be a bit of a downer, but think about Dash Rendar (Shadows of the Empire) he has to die, it is inevitable. Also, since the new era fiction has made it clear that some Jedi *did* go into hiding or simply escape the purge, why not have the light side ending include Yoda or someone else telling the hero what a great job they did and that they should go into hiding ... or something. That is certainly a way to do it. It just seems to me that it is a lot more than the character dying. It is everything you have fought for. All your Jedi friends. The society your are fighting for. And likely yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
txa1265 Posted January 14, 2004 Share Posted January 14, 2004 Originally posted by Prime Good point. Personally, I like the Reborn. After their initial (somewhat contrived) creation, I felt that they were a decent enough opponant to keep around for a series of games. IMO this would be better than having to come up with new ways to get these sort of enemies every time. After they are established, keep them going. They could always keep their numbers up the same way as the Academy, by getting natural force-sensitive beings. Just a thought. Point taken though That is why Jedi Academy and Jedi Outcast are my #2 and #3 fave games of all time (after KotOR, of course). I managed to suspend disbelief and accept that although the Valley tower had been destroyed and the fallen Jedi's trapped powers released, the residual force energy could be channeled in some way, and if you accept that Fyyar had found some way of doing that, and that as a twisted dark Jedi Dessan saw his path to power through manipulating Fyyar, then the rest works well. Jedi Academy follows easily enough - either she was going to be redeemed or humiliated ... But how many more sources can you come up with? Unless they use the device from one of the stories (don't remember which) about the Emperor having cloning tubes on some planet (wasn't that in a Thrawn book?) and have someone clone Alora or something ... then start replicating Dark Jedi. That is certainly a way to do it. It just seems to me that it is a lot more than the character dying. It is everything you have fought for. All your Jedi friends. The society your are fighting for. And likely yourself. Yeah - makes for a really happy story, eh? Really, that time would only be truly satisfying for a dark side story, us light siders need old republic or new republic era stuff. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eidospsogos Posted January 14, 2004 Share Posted January 14, 2004 okay. i am sure this is a silly question, but who the hell is fyyar? i played the jk series, and i'm drawing a blank here. so as i said, i am sure this is a stupid question, but to whom are you referring when you mention Fyyar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sivy Posted January 14, 2004 Share Posted January 14, 2004 i think it was very smart of bioware to set KOTOR 4000 years pre-empire. it gave them so much more freedom and it works really well. if they set it after ROTJ there's so much EU stuff that could be contradicted and then all the EU fans would be like.. "but that can't happen because in NJO bah bah bah bah" etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
txa1265 Posted January 14, 2004 Share Posted January 14, 2004 Originally posted by eidospsogos okay. i am sure this is a silly question, but who the hell is fyyar? i played the jk series, and i'm drawing a blank here. so as i said, i am sure this is a stupid question, but to whom are you referring when you mention Fyyar? Galak Fyyar, the Imperial Scientist who gets power hungry and starts to turn the fleet on the new republic. From Jedi Outcast. You get to battle him in his cool mega-armor. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrotoy7 Posted January 14, 2004 Share Posted January 14, 2004 I interpreted this as meaning the 'original' KOTOR era, as per the comics. I daresay it would be quite diffiiclut to turn those stories into an RPG as they are so heavy with action sequences. It was effectively dealt with in the game through Ordo's recollections as well as descriptions from other party members and npcs. As for the RPG being set in 'original' or prequel trilogy, or even EU era(s) it might be good if done well, but it is probably NEVER going to happen. there are enough games going around "with Luke/Wedge, Xwings and Ties etc in it" dammit ! Going into KOTOR era also made it very refreshing, rather than just the lame sith wannabee and puny imperial remnant storylines you had in the JK series for example..... MTFBWYA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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