Nute Gunray Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 I was sitting here and I thought to my self "Self, why don't you talk about some paintings and such that you like?" And then I thought "I shall!" This is the Dome of Florence Cathedral. Designed by Filipo Brunelleschi. The cathedral was completed in 1515, but Brunelleschi died in 1446. I like it because the thing is massive. Dali's Spatial Elephant. That dude was trippin', yo. John Hancock Center, Chicago. The black monolithic shape with outer brace presents an image of unimaginable strength. The twin masts show perfect symetry, which I can't spell at all. Renior's Dance at Bougival. My favorite painting. I forget who the guy is, but it's my claim that its me. Look at how the girl is disinterested in him, but he clings to her like grim death, classic Nute. Ghent Altarpiece. I forget who painted it. Hell, I'm not sure if its actually the Ghent altarpiece because I always confuse it with the Merode. Lousy picture, sorry, but that's the best Jesus-God depiction ever. No one knows if its Jesus or God though. Additionally, this is only like a third of the painting. This is the center panel. I omitted the wings and the rest of the inner section of the altarpiece because of nudity and not the good porn kind either. Edward Hopper's Nighthawks. Classic American 20th century art. If anyone says different, they're wrong. Roy Lichenstein's Whaam! I know nothing about Lichenstein, but that's just an awesome painting. I have a hard time calling photography art. I guess its because the level of skill isn't the same. I could never ever in my entire life learn to sculpt something well, even if the greatest Greek, Roman, and Renaissance masters trained me endlessly for 60 years straight. However, given teh right gear, I could take awesome photos. But that's a pretty cool picture. Music's art too, but that's not what this thread is about. Visual arts baby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Loyaltist Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 Nice architecture and paintings. I was really impressed with the John Hancock Center and the Ghent Altarpiece. Oh and I think that's Jesus in the picture by the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabba The Hunt Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 I call this backdropieo, by Jabbo The Hunvial Here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold leader Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 I've been to Florence twice, so I can tell first hand that if you want to luxuriate in architecture, paintings and statues, there's no place like it. Truly awesome. One of my favourite painters: Magritte. He has made very disturbing yet beautiful paintings, and some funny ones too. The Sagrada Familia: The original plan was made by Francesco de Paulo de Villar, but in 1883 Antoni Gaudi takes over after de Villar resignes. The cathedral may never be finished, as it has to be built entirely from donations. Still, the 8 towers are ready, and while admiring the astonishing view over Barcelona you almost forget how tired you are from taking the stairs. Zadkine's war monument in Rotterdam (my place of birth). It's called The Destruction of Rotterdam, but in The Netherlands the statue is more commonly known as City Without Heart, and locally (less respectful ) also as John Hole. In 1940, the old center of Rotterdam was completely levelled by an accidental bombing of the Germans. The Dutch already surrendered after the threat to bomb Rotterdam, but the command to cancel the bombing arrived too late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nute Gunray Posted February 13, 2004 Author Share Posted February 13, 2004 Originally posted by Rebel Loyaltist Oh and I think that's Jesus in the picture by the way. But Jesus appears elsewhere in it. In the lower section of the altarpiece, you can see a lamb that's gushing blood into a cup. Above the lamb is a dove. Clearly, Lamb=Jesus and Dove=Holy Spirit. Which would mean Big Fella=God. You can't have 2/3rds the Holy Trinity and have two Jesuses (Jesii?). But why would God be seated between Mary and Joseph? Who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyan Farlander Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 Originally posted by Nute Gunray This is the Dome of Florence Cathedral. Designed by Filipo Brunelleschi. The cathedral was completed in 1515, but Brunelleschi died in 1446. I like it because the thing is massive. I will skip the obvious joke here. Dali's Spatial Elephant. That dude was trippin', yo. W3rd. John Hancock Center, Chicago. The black monolithic shape with outer brace presents an image of unimaginable strength. The twin masts show perfect symetry, which I can't spell at all. I used to live in Chicago, and I have seen this building many times. Very nice. Renior's Dance at Bougival. My favorite painting. I forget who the guy is, but it's my claim that its me. Look at how the girl is disinterested in him, but he clings to her like grim death, classic Nute. I have a hard time calling photography art. I guess its because the level of skill isn't the same. I could never ever in my entire life learn to sculpt something well, even if the greatest Greek, Roman, and Renaissance masters trained me endlessly for 60 years straight. However, given teh right gear, I could take awesome photos. Agreed. Plus, art has to be artificial, a diliberate creation by man. Unless you deliberately set up a photo, can it really be art? You're just taking a picture of something that already existed in nature (or whatever). If you paint a scene that actually exists, it's still not the same, because the painting is a human, artificial interpretation of the scene. Music's art too, but that's not what this thread is about. Visual arts baby. I have very little interest in visual art, but I'm playing along for the good of the forum. So, a couple of my favorites: The Persistence of Memory by Salvador Dali. Yeah, I know everybody likes this one, but that's because it's kewl. Saturn Devouring One of His Children by Francisco Goya. Tastes like chicken. Ascending and Descending by M.C. Escher. Also very cool. If you have the A Day at the Races album by Queen, the intro (before "Tie Your Mother Down" really starts) is Brian May's musical interpretation of this painting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikhnaton Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 anything by Kim Poor http://www.kimpoor.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanLingo Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 Originally posted by Nute Gunray But Jesus appears elsewhere in it. In the lower section of the altarpiece, you can see a lamb that's gushing blood into a cup. Above the lamb is a dove. Clearly, Lamb=Jesus and Dove=Holy Spirit. Which would mean Big Fella=God. You can't have 2/3rds the Holy Trinity and have two Jesuses (Jesii?). But why would God be seated between Mary and Joseph? Who knows. Maybe that's because: Jesus = God. Whoa dang! It's true, though. God wasn't just merciful enough to give his son, like a lot of people believe -- he actually came down to the earth and sacrificed himself. But of course, God can't die, so what'd he do? He took on a person form in order to feel the pain that we have to go through. Think about it -- what kind of sacrifice would it be to create a so-called "Son" for the slaughter and not feel the pain yourself? That's waste, not redemption. Oh, yeah -- my fave artists are Drew Struzan, Claude Monet, and Thomas Kinkade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nute Gunray Posted February 13, 2004 Author Share Posted February 13, 2004 Originally posted by VanLingo Maybe that's because: Jesus = God. Whoa dang! By why would you put two of the three parts of the Trinity and ignore one of them so that you could put two of another part? Why put Jesus-Holy Spirit-Jesus instead of God-Holy Spirit-Jesus? The figure in red is clearly on a throne, which is where God would sit assuming God feels like sitting down. I'm also a fan of the works of Brandon Bird. Killing Machine (http://www.brandonbird.com/bea.html) and Clayface (http://www.brandonbird.com/clayface.html) are two of my favorites. However the majesty of Elysium (http://www.brandonbird.com/elysium.html) cannot be ignored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyan Farlander Posted February 14, 2004 Share Posted February 14, 2004 Originally posted by VanLingo Maybe that's because: Jesus = God. Whoa dang! It's true, though. God wasn't just merciful enough to give his son, like a lot of people believe -- he actually came down to the earth and sacrificed himself. But of course, God can't die, so what'd he do? He took on a person form in order to feel the pain that we have to go through. No, that's wrong. The Son and the Father are both God, sharing one divine nature, but the Father is not the Son and the Son is not the Father. (And neither of them is the Holy Spirit.) The Trinity consists of three distinct persons. Considering that, I would have to agree with Nute in regards to that work. Think about it -- what kind of sacrifice would it be to create a so-called "Son" for the slaughter and not feel the pain yourself? That's waste, not redemption. First of all, the Son is not a created being. Secondly, I'm sure any parent would tell you that seeing his son go through something is far worse that going through it himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kylilin Posted February 14, 2004 Share Posted February 14, 2004 Here is another picture of the Dome of Florence Cathedral, also known as Il Duomo. The pictures just don't do it justice, I was there last January, it's simply magnificent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philocleon Posted February 14, 2004 Share Posted February 14, 2004 Well, here are some fine pieces of art Here's the First Spiritual Temple in Boston. Damn, but for a temple, that thing is huge. That's not a temple, that's a castle, for crying out loud! Here's a shot of Trinity Church in Boston. Yet another nice building in Boston. Here's a tip. If you're in Boston walk down Commonwealth Avenue in the Back Bay area and look at the beautiful houses there. Just beautiful. Beacon Hill also has some nice houses itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edlib Posted February 14, 2004 Share Posted February 14, 2004 That's only a couple of blocks from where I work. Boston does have some great architecture. I always feel kinda wierd when I travel outside this area (the Northeast corridor) to places where the history isn't quite as deep and the architecture shows it. You know what I'm talking about: those places where the oldest buildings around date all the way back to the '50's! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabba The Hunt Posted February 14, 2004 Share Posted February 14, 2004 Keyan and Nute, it doesnt matter who you believe God is, or what form the trinity is in, if you believe in your heart (and God/Jesus/The Holy Spirit is the only one who can truely know this), that Jesus Christ died to save you from you sins and you will go to heaven through him, then that is all that really matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyan Farlander Posted February 14, 2004 Share Posted February 14, 2004 Originally posted by Jabba The Hunt Keyan and Nute, it doesnt matter who you believe God is, or what form the trinity is in, if you believe in your heart (and God/Jesus/The Holy Spirit is the only one who can truely know this), that Jesus Christ died to save you from you sins and you will go to heaven through him, then that is all that really matters. It matters, first of all, because it is relevent to our discussion on the painting. In a broader sense, it matters because God saw fit to reveal the nature of the Trinity to man (inasmuch as can be understood). If God thinks it's important that we understand something, it probably benefits us to understand it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabba The Hunt Posted February 17, 2004 Share Posted February 17, 2004 Ok fair enough everyone needs to come up with their own personal interpretation of the Bible, but I think God cares much more about whats in our hearts than how we interpret the Bible. The massive devisions in the church atm only help to weaken us, it shouldn't matter about how you interpret the Bible, just that you believe Jesus died to save you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral Odin Posted February 17, 2004 Share Posted February 17, 2004 Jabba, that is great but not really relevant considering the discussion, since they are trying to figure out who that central figure is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyan Farlander Posted February 18, 2004 Share Posted February 18, 2004 Originally posted by Jabba The Hunt Ok fair enough everyone needs to come up with their own personal interpretation of the Bible, but I think God cares much more about whats in our hearts than how we interpret the Bible. The massive devisions in the church atm only help to weaken us, it shouldn't matter about how you interpret the Bible, just that you believe Jesus died to save you. Well, if God did in fact give us the Bible, he gave it to us because he felt the information in it was important for us to have. And you are correct that the massive divisions in the Church weaken Christians in general. Which makes it clear that we shouldn't be coming up with out own uninformed interpretations of the Bible; we should leave that to those who a) know what they're talking about and b) have the authority to instruct us in these matters. I'll leave the obvious conclusion to you. Incidently, the word "trinity" is never menitoned in the Bible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kylilin Posted February 18, 2004 Share Posted February 18, 2004 Christianity is indeed a mess right now. But no matter how divided the church may be, the message never changes. I very much agree that the Bible can be open to interpretation, just as God cannot be limited to one point of view, God is all points of view. Kinda reminds me of something I said once, it was an offhand remark and I just said it to be a wiseass, but it stuck with me. One day last summer we were getting ready to go to church, it was hot, so I was wearing sandals. Well, my future mother in law says to me "You're not going to wear those are you?" so I said, "Well, Jesus wore sandals didn't he?" which of course shut her up, then I added "God don't care what you wear, just as long as you show up." I don't mean to make myself sound important or profound, but I kinda like the phrase, and I think a lot of people in this world could very much stand to hear it. God don't care what you wear, just as long as you show up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabba The Hunt Posted February 18, 2004 Share Posted February 18, 2004 Quite right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyan Farlander Posted February 18, 2004 Share Posted February 18, 2004 Originally posted by Kylilin Christianity is indeed a mess right now. But no matter how divided the church may be, the message never changes. I very much agree that the Bible can be open to interpretation, just as God cannot be limited to one point of view, God is all points of view. Kinda reminds me of something I said once, it was an offhand remark and I just said it to be a wiseass, but it stuck with me. One day last summer we were getting ready to go to church, it was hot, so I was wearing sandals. Well, my future mother in law says to me "You're not going to wear those are you?" so I said, "Well, Jesus wore sandals didn't he?" which of course shut her up, then I added "God don't care what you wear, just as long as you show up." I don't mean to make myself sound important or profound, but I kinda like the phrase, and I think a lot of people in this world could very much stand to hear it. God don't care what you wear, just as long as you show up. I can't agree. Jesus wearing sandles is a lot different. Wearing sandles in the culture he lived in is different from doing so in ours today. It is common sense to dress appropriately for the occation. If you are going to the symphony, you don't wear a t-shirt and jeans. Likewise, if you are going to God's house, you should dress in an appropriately respectful manner. I'm sure God would rather have a person there in poor dress than not at all, but I think he would be more pleased for a person to honor him and his house by presenting himself well than not doing so. If I were giving a big dinner party and somebody came in shorts and t-shirt, I would have to wonder why he is treating an important occation so casually. That being said, I'm sure there are places and times when sandles would be appropriate dress for church because of culture or possibly climate. But it doesn't sound like the situation you described was one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philocleon Posted February 18, 2004 Share Posted February 18, 2004 *Ahem* Putting this topic back on course... Here's a boat in an old shipyard. Now if you want serious discussion, there's the senate chambers. If you want off topic discussion, go to RSN.net, which is something they specialize in. Thank you, and have a nice day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kylilin Posted February 19, 2004 Share Posted February 19, 2004 Originally posted by Keyan Farlander I can't agree. Jesus wearing sandles is a lot different. Wearing sandles in the culture he lived in is different from doing so in ours today. It is common sense to dress appropriately for the occation. If you are going to the symphony, you don't wear a t-shirt and jeans. Likewise, if you are going to God's house, you should dress in an appropriately respectful manner. I'm sure God would rather have a person there in poor dress than not at all, but I think he would be more pleased for a person to honor him and his house by presenting himself well than not doing so. If I were giving a big dinner party and somebody came in shorts and t-shirt, I would have to wonder why he is treating an important occation so casually. That being said, I'm sure there are places and times when sandles would be appropriate dress for church because of culture or possibly climate. But it doesn't sound like the situation you described was one of them. To be honest, do really think God cares what you wear? Do you think God is that petty? We as humans are that petty. You did not understand what I was trying to get at. It's the message that is important, not the method in which it is conveyed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral Odin Posted February 19, 2004 Share Posted February 19, 2004 Philocleon: And if you want both you come here. ---------------------------- The Church: Is in my opinion a flawed creation of man that needs have major changes. I also believe that how you worship god, where you do it, how you dress while doing it doesn't really matter. What does is that you believe in god, and live a good honorable life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jem Posted February 19, 2004 Share Posted February 19, 2004 Organized religion is evil brainwashing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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