Keyan Farlander Posted February 19, 2004 Posted February 19, 2004 Originally posted by Kylilin To be honest, do really think God cares what you wear? Do you think God is that petty? We as humans are that petty. You did not understand what I was trying to get at. It's the message that is important, not the method in which it is conveyed. As I indicated, yes, I do think God cares. I understood perfectly what you were trying to get at, and I think you are mistaken, for the reasons I mentioned.
Admiral Odin Posted February 19, 2004 Posted February 19, 2004 Well, you could argue that since Adam and Eve were naked, God may find us wearing clothes overall as offensive so perhaps wearing less clothes does honor him by honoring his initial intention.
Ikhnaton Posted February 19, 2004 Posted February 19, 2004 Does God need us to dress up for Church? Does God need us at all? The answer to both questions is, of course, no. However, we humans have a sense of propriety (most of us) and at least in western culture, our dress is a very significant thing. As Keyan mentioned, I would wonder about a wedding guest who shows up in shorts and a t-shirt. God also can recognize when a person doesn't care enough about church to dress a bit nicer. God doesn't need dresses and suits, he cares about what is in our hearts that would make us want to dress up for God.
Keyan Farlander Posted February 19, 2004 Posted February 19, 2004 Here's another one I like: Dempsey and Firpo by George Wesley Bellows.
Nute Gunray Posted February 19, 2004 Author Posted February 19, 2004 Originally posted by Jem Organized religion is evil brainwashing. You're a douchebag and I hope you ****ing get murdered.
MadPilot Posted February 19, 2004 Posted February 19, 2004 *wakes up* Originally posted by Keyan Farlander ..... Which makes it clear that we shouldn't be coming up with out own uninformed interpretations of the Bible; we should leave that to those who a) know what they're talking about and b) have the authority to instruct us in these matters.... What, exactly, would qualify as an 'informed' interpretation, since there's no way of knowing if the information contained in the bible is factually accurate? I don't see anything wrong with people coming to their own conclusions about their own beliefs. But then I think I covered that last time around.
Jem Posted February 19, 2004 Posted February 19, 2004 Originally posted by Nute Gunray You're a douchebag and I hope you ****ing get murdered. Oh no! Cursed by Nute! What ever will I do! The only thing that's good about organized religion is the huge contribution they having towards helping less fortunate people. And for that alone, organized religion is worth keeping. Originally posted by MadPilot But then I think I covered that last time around. Oh no... not THAT thread! Just for the sake of trying not to have to go through that kind of endless argument again I will refrain from uttering anything religion-related. I trust MadPilot will express the same thoughts I have on that subject.
edlib Posted February 19, 2004 Posted February 19, 2004 Originally posted by Jem Oh no! Cursed by Nute! What ever will I do! Boys! Boys! Please stop fighting! Can't you see that you are really madly in love with each other?!? I loved that thread. It was a lot of fun re-reading it. Thanks.
Ray Jones Posted February 19, 2004 Posted February 19, 2004 on off-topic who else took notice of the fact that "god" actually just does (and did) ONE thing: he makes us fight against each other. tsk. err.. and what edlib said. probably.. -- off-topic so where is zoom? i need one of his questionable posts. -- on-topic i like giger. H.R. Giger. his alien-studies are great.
Keyan Farlander Posted February 19, 2004 Posted February 19, 2004 Originally posted by MadPilot *wakes up* What, exactly, would qualify as an 'informed' interpretation, since there's no way of knowing if the information contained in the bible is factually accurate? An informed interpretation can be made by people that devote their lives to studying the texts, and the histories, languages, and cultures of the people who created those texts. Of course there is a way of knowing in the information contained in the Bible is accurate (at least as much as anything else that is that old) - by seeing how it matches up with other written sources, with oral histories, with documents from those times, etc. Originally posted by Jem Organized religion is evil brainwashing. As opposed to what? Unorganized religion? i.e. I just made some stuff up and I'll go with that? No, if there is a God, an organized religion would obviously be needed to keep track of everything so that people don't develop erroneous understandings of revealed truth. Furthermore, in the case of Christianity, organization in essential to the valid celebration of the sacraments.
Kylilin Posted February 19, 2004 Posted February 19, 2004 Originally posted by Nute Gunray You're a douchebag and I hope you ****ing get murdered. How very Christian of you to say that. Nope, the message of Jesus Christ sure isn't wasted on you.
MadPilot Posted February 20, 2004 Posted February 20, 2004 Originally posted by Jem I trust MadPilot will express the same thoughts I have on that subject. Heh, well I wouldn't go as far as "evil brainwashing", but yes. Originally posted by Keyan Farlander An informed interpretation can be made by people that devote their lives to studying the texts, and the histories, languages, and cultures of the people who created those texts. Of course there is a way of knowing in the information contained in the Bible is accurate (at least as much as anything else that is that old) - by seeing how it matches up with other written sources, with oral histories, with documents from those times, etc. Does that apply to all religions and holy writings? Some of them have a tendancy to contradict each other and contain very different teachings to your own.
Keyan Farlander Posted February 20, 2004 Posted February 20, 2004 Originally posted by MadPilot Does that apply to all religions and holy writings? Some of them have a tendancy to contradict each other and contain very different teachings to your own. I'm not sure what you're getting at here, but my point was that there are people a lot more qualified than we are to explain the meanings of ancient texts. "Religious texts" or otherwise.
MadPilot Posted February 20, 2004 Posted February 20, 2004 Oops, I meant to include this bit in my quote: if there is a God, an organized religion would obviously be needed to keep track of everything so that people don't develop erroneous understandings of revealed truth. I was referring to the accuracy of the Bible compared with other writings from other Religions. All Religions could be verified by comparing other sources from the same time period, yet they all give a different message. Which one is the organised religion?
Nute Gunray Posted February 20, 2004 Author Posted February 20, 2004 Originally posted by MadPilot Which one is the organised religion? ....All of them. If I declared tomorrow that I was Pope of the Church of the Pet Rock and we worshipped the pet rock, that would be an organized religion.
Keyan Farlander Posted February 20, 2004 Posted February 20, 2004 Originally posted by MadPilot Oops, I meant to include this bit in my quote: I was referring to the accuracy of the Bible compared with other writings from other Religions. All Religions could be verified by comparing other sources from the same time period, yet they all give a different message. Which one is the organised religion? As Nute indicated (in his particularly Nute-ish way), they may all be organized. As to which one is correct, that is a different matter altogether. But I promise you that all religions can not be verified by comparing other sources from the same time period, because in a lot of these religions, you have a single "prophet" who is the sole source of revelation. Islam and Mormonism, for example. In these cases, there's not much verification you can do; it basically boils down to deciding if you're going to take one guy at his word (and assume he was completely in his right mind).
Cmdr. Cracken Posted February 21, 2004 Posted February 21, 2004 Of course, many people fail to remember that many of these faiths may be completly wrong. There may NOT be a heaven, paradise, what have you. personally, religion as an organized force of power is long gone. What these faiths should be used is to teach basic human values and morals, which are oddly lacking in many parts of the world. (Yes, even the G8 countries, USA, G.B, France, Germany, Russia, ect.)
Nute Gunray Posted February 21, 2004 Author Posted February 21, 2004 Originally posted by Cmdr. Cracken personally, religion as an organized force of power is long gone. I think you need to watch the news.
Jabba The Hunt Posted February 22, 2004 Posted February 22, 2004 Look none of this discussion matters, if someone feels it honors God for them to wear nice cloths to church then that is what is right for them, if they feel (as I do) that it doesn't matter what you wear its about whats in your heart then thats fine, eitherway aslong as you accept Jesus Christ as your saviour in your heart the absolutely nothing else matters, people get far too wound up on issues you like that. I would be more interested to hear peoples opinions on what the unforgiveable sin is? or if any Christians believe Jews go to heaven (it says they are the choosen race, and well God lives outside of time...)?
Keyan Farlander Posted February 22, 2004 Posted February 22, 2004 Originally posted by Jabba The Hunt Look none of this discussion matters, if someone feels it honors God for them to wear nice cloths to church then that is what is right for them, if they feel (as I do) that it doesn't matter what you wear its about whats in your heart then thats fine, eitherway aslong as you accept Jesus Christ as your saviour in your heart the absolutely nothing else matters, people get far too wound up on issues you like that. It's not so easy. It does matter. If you're a Christian, then you supposed to do as Christ commanded, and follow the example he set, and we know from this that there is a lot more to it than believing in your heart. When it comes to matters of philosophy and religion, feelings are not important. Here are my responses to your questions: I would be more interested to hear peoples opinions on what the unforgiveable sin is? The unforgiveable sin is to explicitly reject the opportunity for redemption. or if any Christians believe Jews go to heaven (it says they are the choosen race, and well God lives outside of time...)? They will not go to heaven just for being Jewish, if that's what you mean. Nor will they be excluded from it for being Jewish. They will be judged according to how they have lived, as everyone will.
Jabba The Hunt Posted February 23, 2004 Posted February 23, 2004 Its really great how we has human managed to divide things even on the most basic level. :rolleyes:
Kuuki Posted February 23, 2004 Posted February 23, 2004 Originally posted by Jabba The Hunt Its really great how we has human managed to divide things even on the most basic level. :rolleyes: Yep, thats us, making things look more complicated when it shouldn't
edlib Posted February 24, 2004 Posted February 24, 2004 Humans seem to have an intrinsic need to define themselves in terms of what they stand for and what they are against. This probably served a very important role when we were all in individual family tribes scratching out a meager existance out of a harsh and unforgiving landscape,.. up to the point of feudal city-states competing for the same resources to survive. Now in some instances this aspect has taken on silly proprtions as of late: Ford vs. Chevy, Red Sox vs. Yankees, XBox vs. Gamecube, Star Wars vs. Star Trek... In religion however survival is still the key element behind building these artificial divisions. But even more than Earthly survival is at stake... the ultimate goal is eternal survival. The stakes are much higher. Most religions come down on the side of "there is only ONE way to enter the blessed afterlife,.. and only we have that key!" which is understandable... if it was simple to get into paradise and that any of the competing ways worked just as well ("Hey, it's all good!") then there would be no incentive for anyone to stay following that faith and trying to convert others to join, and soon it would cease to be.
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