lukeiamyourdad Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 That's just disgusting nothing more. Was I suppose to shed a tear? Long live propaganda. Would you care to elaborate on how Kerry will undo the progress(if there is any) that Bush as (I think not but eh) has done? I find it quite odd that Christians vote for Bush. Heard some nasty stuff about church people telling the populace to vote for Bush. I have no idea why America consider their President's religion as important in their choice on who to vote for. Nice display of seperation of church and state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jdome83 Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 Not propaganda.Pictures of the murder of children. Just letting everyone know what they're supporting if they vote for Kerry. I find it quite odd that Christians vote for Bush. It makes sense actually. Because a Christian voting for Kerry is like a Jew going to to a Neo-Nazi meeting. It is a contradiction. A child shouldn't be a choice, and people shouldn't kill what they create. And those who do are hypocrites. Call those pictures what you like, but they are what has happened and continues to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeiamyourdad Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 And they've called propaganda pictures of children getting shredded by bombs to stop the war in Iraq... And death penalty is not murder itself? It is lowering yourself to the level of the murderer. The comparison between jews voting for neo-nazis is stupid. I've not heard of atheists and agnostics mass-murdering Christians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jdome83 Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 The death penalty is murder. A child is murdered because someone 'chose', every 22 seconds. People in prison are not executed every 22 seconds. It is the womans choice what she does, but it is my belief she shouldn't kill her child. It is that simple. "We know that its killing. But the state permits killing under certain circumstances." --Dr. Neville Sender, abortion clinic founder, quoted by Pro-choice author Magda Denes "Abortion is the taking of a life." --Pro-abortionist and former Planned Parenthood president Mary Calderone, American Journal of Public Health vol 50 no. 71960 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swphreak Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 The abortion of a fetus is that, a fetus. Although, I do think that there should be a limit to how long a woman can wait to get an abortion. As for the topic, I'm most likely voting Kerry. I don't agree with all of the things he's said (Yucca Mountains for example), but frankly, he's a much better choice than Bush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeiamyourdad Posted October 20, 2004 Share Posted October 20, 2004 A child dies every 22 seconds due to poverty worldwide. I do not yet see any anti-abortionist actually take care of those already living children(or actually try to create propaganda to help them). Abortion is the taking of a possible life. It's not actually a human yet. I'd like to actually read those books and have more then parts of quotes out of context. It's like all those adds on Fox I see. "John Kerry wants to raise taxes.TAX HIKE TAX HIKE TAX HIKE." It's totally taken out of context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue15 Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 Originally posted by kipperthefrog My mom is voting for Bu$h because the church wants her to! they say Bu$h is going to get someone in to overthrow abortion! she REFUSES to beleive anything bad about bush! My dad and i watched F-911 last night! we saw how Bu$h is sending our boys to die so he can get billions of dollars from the oil feilds! My mom didn't watch this, she is blind and brainwashed! she refused to watch anything bad about Bu$h! My dad say "you know whats scary? millions of people just like her!" I think he's right! If pressing the nuclear bomb would earn him a few million dollars, he'd DO it! Dad says "No way i'm voting for Bu$h" Neither am I! mm....u should try talking to some people that have been over in iraq. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinWalker Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 Originally posted by Rogue15 mm....u should try talking to some people that have been over in iraq. I'm not sure what you're trying to tell kipper... but I've talked to people who have been (some who actually still are) in Iraq. Both during the initial invasion and since. I get the sense that there are mixed feelings over the whole thing. Some of my friends are very pro-Bush, some are very anti-Bush and a few others really have little opinion about him other than they have a job to do even if they don't like it. So saying, "talk to some people that have been there," might be a good idea since it can give you some insight, but it does nothing as far as giving any credibility to the monkey in the whitehouse right now. Hell, I remember debates within my own platoon about the validity of U.S. involvement in the first Gulf War. One thing we all agreed on was that we had a job to do and that the most important people in the world (when bullets, rockets, artillery and mortars were in the air) were the 17 individuals that comprised the team known as 2nd Platoon of A-Battery, 92nd Field Artillery. We had each other's back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swphreak Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 Originally posted by Rogue15 mm....u should try talking to some people that have been over in iraq. Just because you failed basic, doesn't mean you're an expert about Iraq. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue15 Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 Originally posted by StarWarsPhreak Just because you failed basic, doesn't mean you're an expert about Iraq. what does that have to do with anything... what i meant was: This is not a ****ing oil war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spider AL Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 what i meant was: This is not a ****ing oil war.Of course not, it's obviously about WMDs. lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jdome83 Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 A child dies every 22 seconds due to poverty worldwide. I do not yet see any anti-abortionist actually take care of those already living children(or actually try to create propaganda to help them). I'm sorry you don't see this going on but(my church at least) helps like consistently and intensely with poverty. I'm looking for the location of the rest of that book now. The Fox ads are not represented correctly by what you typed. They simply are more conservative then the rest of the liberal media. Now if there were an ad saying, "George Bush wants to raise taxes. TAX HIKE, TAX HIKE, TAX HIKE." Would you have a problem with that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 Originally posted by Jdome83 Now if there were an ad saying, "George Bush wants to raise taxes. TAX HIKE, TAX HIKE, TAX HIKE." Would you have a problem with that? yes. I hate dirty politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue15 Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 Originally posted by Spider AL Of course not, it's obviously about WMDs. lol. [edit: ok that was unnecessary] Why was Saddam ****ing with the inspectors then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Nine Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 I think you have just single-handedly convinced me to vote for John Kerry. Thanks, 15. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spider AL Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 u ****ing democrats crack me up.Let me tell you a few things about myself: I'm English, I'm quite conservative and I'm sufficiently mature so that I don't feel the need to insert profanities into every other sentence, unlike some people. Why was Saddam ****ing with the inspectors then. haha.There are several responses to this oh-so-well put question. Here are three of many: 1: Saddam needed to maintain the illusion of strength to his neighbors in the region. What would Iran do if Iraq had been incontrivertably shown to possess no major offensive weaponry? What about his other rivals in the region? 2: Saddam was cooperating as much as any power-mad, mildly deranged middle-eastern despot could be expected to under the circumstances, and certainly showed more flexibility than certain of his western counterparts, namely Bush and Blair. 3: Do you watch anything but Fox News? Having responded to your question in a thorough manner, I will reiterate my position that the war had nothing to do with WMDs, our leaders undoubtedly knew this as they are not silly people and had access to all the intelligence that we did and more, and yet went ahead anyway. Why? Three reasons: A: To maintain the momentum of the neo-conservative ideal of having an "evil empire" to distract the populace from individualistic pursuits, B: To secure another area in the middle-eastern bloc in which to insert a friendly regime and consolidate western power in that area, and C: To acquire the second largest oil reserves in the world. I would have less of a problem with reasons B and C, if our governments had been honest with us. But let's face it, no government is honest, let alone these governments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeiamyourdad Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 Originally posted by Jdome83 The Fox ads are not represented correctly by what you typed. They simply are more conservative then the rest of the liberal media. Now if there were an ad saying, "George Bush wants to raise taxes. TAX HIKE, TAX HIKE, TAX HIKE." Would you have a problem with that? Of course I did not represent them correctly. That's what I wanted to do. They repeated the words "tax hike" extremely often and that's the effect I wanted to create. I'll add that the ads are very near propaganda, especially one about the war on terror. Also, I agree with IS, dirty politics is dirty politics and none should be supported and to answer the question would it bother me: Yes. To conclude, I will simply say that this IS an OIL war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeiamyourdad Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 Forgive my double-posting but SpiderAL, you're a conservative? You certainly don't sound like one. You sound more middle-ish. Then again, I have been following american politics a lot lately and god knows how much more to the right they are in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jdome83 Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 3: Do you watch anything but Fox News? I'm not sure who you are asking but I watch CNN, CBS, and NBC as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spider AL Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 lukeiamyourdad: Forgive my double-posting but SpiderAL, you're a conservative? You certainly don't sound like one. You sound more middle-ish. Then again, I have been following american politics a lot lately and god knows how much more to the right they are in general. I like to think of myself as following the path of logic, reason and general honour... for some reason this means my views more often coincide with "conservative" views than "liberal". But I've never involved myself in party politics. As for my stance against our governments at the moment, it's due to their "neo-conservatism". It's not conservatism, it's just insanity behind a trendy label. Neo-conservatives are so far to the right they go around in circles. They're so far to the right they should slap little fake moustaches on over their filtrums and sing Wagner. Jdome83: I'm not sure who you are askingThe person I was replying to, ie: not you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeiamyourdad Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 Hey I like Wagner! Oh and here's something interesting: http://www.nick.com/all_nick/specials/kidsPickThePresident/results.jhtml It's a poll made by Nickelodeon. 400 000 kids answered the poll. 57% picked John Kerry and 43% picked George W. Bush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue15 Posted October 22, 2004 Share Posted October 22, 2004 meh. i'm just proving to myself that i'm an idiot that doesn't know anything about politics. I agree with the war. I don't know why, but it just seems like we did the right thing by going into Iraq, we shouldn't start pulling out until we've gotten that oil under our full control until a year or 2 after the Iraqi election, that way their troops would be better trained to defend that country. I'm voting against Kerry because he voted against better equipment for our troops, and then blames it on Bush, and says that if he gets in office, better equipment will be provided for them. That crap is not right. (let me guess, i got my facts wrong again) I watch CNN and yes I watch Fox News. I'd watch MSNBC as well but that channel doesn't come in too good (annoying sound distortion on that channel gives me a headache) And that's only when I'm extremely bored, which is maybe once a week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master_Ginn Posted October 22, 2004 Share Posted October 22, 2004 I don't know if you guys have discussed this(i quickly swept through the thread for this so i may have missed it) but how do you feel about Kerry's veiws on healthcare? I think he wants to go towards a socialist/socialized healthcare program like in Canadia. Which is pretty cool seeing on the government would pay for all of our health care. But there is a problem........we are incredibly in debt!Plus I don't like the idea of the Government having control over the type of healthcare i get. You know if i get just the basics of a normal doctors visits. But when it comes to more serious things such as MRI's and Cat Scans, the government has to give approval when the signs of a certain problem show up, which in turn would lead to later diagnoses(what's the correct word?). I don't really like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinWalker Posted October 22, 2004 Share Posted October 22, 2004 Originally posted by Rogue15 I'm voting against Kerry because he voted against better equipment for our troops, What he actually voted against was the $87 billion emergency supplemental appropriation bill to finance military operations and reconstruction efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan. It included $300 million for the latest, ceramic-plate type of body armor for troops who had been sent to war without it. The body-armor funds amounted to about 1/3 of one percent of the total. Kerry's vote was "nay" because it wasn't made clear by the Executive branch on where the funds would come from in light of recent tax cuts and continually increased deficit. Kerry acts as a responsible representative of his constituancy by saying "no" to poor accounting practices and he's accused of "voting against body armor for troops." That's poppycock fed to you by the Bush administration. Understandably, however, many, many Americans buy it at face value because they feel there's something inherently "unpatriotic" about criticizing a President at a time of crisis. Originally posted by Rogue15 and then blames it on Bush, and says that if he gets in office, better equipment will be provided for them. That crap is not right. (let me guess, i got my facts wrong again) Getting facts wrong in this election year isn't difficult. Both sides are spinning "facts" using deception. Bush just seems to be doing it more and to more serious extremes. The real facts to note are these: Bush's $87 Billion passed congress; troops still don't have the needed equipment. I've emailed two buddies that both say there's a shortage of flak jackets and body armor. Among other things. Originally posted by Rogue15 I watch CNN and yes I watch Fox News. I'd watch MSNBC as well but that channel doesn't come in too good Dump all of them and stick to NPR or PBS. There's no corporate advertising to answer to with these news sources and they are funded by public donation, corporate donation, and federal grant. Half their funds come from public donation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kain Posted October 22, 2004 Share Posted October 22, 2004 Originally posted by SkinWalker Getting facts wrong in this election year isn't difficult. Both sides are spinning "facts" using deception. Thats why I come here. Get alot more straight facts here than I do on Fox or CNN... And I forgot where I read it*probably here*, but people who watch 'The Daily Show with Jon Stewart' have more REAL facts than those who watch CNN or Fox News. Just read the first line of my sig to get my opinion on THAT bit of info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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