Pie™ Posted March 13, 2004 Share Posted March 13, 2004 Originally posted by Astrotoy7 ..despite what those madmen say, and how the media presents it to us, it isn't all about religion, far from it.....its all about $ $ $ at the end of the day..and that's the most tragic part of it all..... Amen to that... This is, of course, a terrible thing, and i hope it is ETA, not Al Quaida who's behind... Why? Because if Al Quaida is behind the US will get involved, and that's not good for the world (IMO of course)... Breton; Good point, I think this is given more attention because; 1. It gives makes war on terrorism seem more important 2. It is a major city in Europe, not some "worthless" african village after all (sarcasm) 3. People will easier support anti-terrorism, because they know terrorism occurs in big cicties too, not only in villages. Voters in the wealthiest countries in the world will easier elect a state leader who is promising to protect from things that could apply to them, not people they don't give a sh*t about The world is going down the drain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrotoy7 Posted March 13, 2004 Share Posted March 13, 2004 Once again, Breton you amaze me. I tried to say what you said but it took me 3 paragraphs ! You have my profound admiration..... Obi, sorry man, I wasnt trying to be rude, as I said the words you picked were a bit odd on first glance, but I'm sure many knew what you are saying, to re-iterate : there are more than several muslims in the world who condemn the actions of anyone who seeks to destroy life....(this encompasses more than just one particular well publicised terrorist organisation)... we do have convenience stores here in Ozstralia, and theyre run by kangaroos mate ! not really, in previous generations, many were run by immigrant greek families. Their prevalence has more or less been dimished due to larger shopping malls. However you do get the 7/11s etc. Many are run by indian families(a la the simpsons), some by muslim families(it all depends on where you live)...... its a thing that I try to be wary of....making generalisations... ET what's up ! you've been quit erratic recently ! Your usually well composed, thoughtful posts have turned into mish mash you'd expect more form the likes of <insert name of fruitloop poster here> (you know who I mean)..... your meds must be wearing off.... mtfbwya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted March 13, 2004 Share Posted March 13, 2004 Originally posted by Astrotoy7 ET what's up ! you've been quit erratic recently ! Your usually well composed, thoughtful posts have turned into mish mash you'd expect more form the likes of <insert name of fruitloop poster here> (you know who I mean)..... your meds must be wearing off.... It was an exam week. My brain has been fried by an overdose of class and testing. And so I stand here before you, a broken, miserable man. With no ability for any reasonable or well thought out anythings. Next week is the last week before spring break, so maybe then I shall stop being so crappy... but probably not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kain Posted March 13, 2004 Share Posted March 13, 2004 Meh, Bush's cowboy gung-ho happy ass is gonna blame that attack on AlQaeda if the word A comes into play. The world is going down the f'ing drain, and Bush is the one pulling the stopper. O I feel it ET. 3 long days at work (8-12 hours each) with about 3 hours of sleep this entire week, I'm fried and I seem to ramble alot (alot for me, which is a disturbing amount to anyone else). Bloody wanker Paul...SPECIAL PROJECT...(ranting, ain't I?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabretooth Posted March 13, 2004 Share Posted March 13, 2004 I checked out the papaers today and I made a startling discovery. The attacks in Madrid on 3/11 happened exactly 911 days after 9/11. Could it be possible that Al Qaida has got to Madrid for some stupid reason? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExcelsioN Posted March 13, 2004 Share Posted March 13, 2004 It's a terrible thing...we don't know who could be next. It's most likely to be AlQaeda. I mean, Spain was the third biggest supporter of the war in Iraq. Which makes me wonder whether the Uk is next. And sabretooth...I just heard about that. Scary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mex Posted March 13, 2004 Share Posted March 13, 2004 Originally posted by IG-64 LIBRAL POINTLESS BUSH HATERS! There, i've stated my opinion, I am never posting in this thread again. The attack was in spain so HOW the hell would of the attack been again Bush?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pie™ Posted March 14, 2004 Share Posted March 14, 2004 Originally posted by Kain Meh, Bush's cowboy gung-ho happy ass is gonna blame that attack on AlQaeda if the word A comes into play. The world is going down the f'ing drain, and Bush is the one pulling the stopper. Thank you. That was exactly what i was trying to say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XERXES Posted March 15, 2004 Share Posted March 15, 2004 Originally posted by sabretooth I checked out the papaers today and I made a startling discovery. The attacks in Madrid on 3/11 happened exactly 911 days after 9/11. Could it be possible that Al Qaida has got to Madrid for some stupid reason? In actuality...they wanted to ruin all the 311 fans day on 311 day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XERXES Posted March 15, 2004 Share Posted March 15, 2004 Originally posted by Kain Meh, Bush's cowboy gung-ho happy ass is gonna blame that attack on AlQaeda if the word A comes into play. The world is going down the f'ing drain, and Bush is the one pulling the stopper. kinda funny you think that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightsaberboy Posted March 15, 2004 Share Posted March 15, 2004 i find it really funny that when the bombings happened, they kept saying on cnn that it was prolly from al quaeda. This was most likely an attack from ETA, the people from northeastern spain, who wanted to secede from spain for a while. The bombings happened a few days before the Spain election, which would give good political reason for ETA to do the bombings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabretooth Posted March 15, 2004 Share Posted March 15, 2004 I was browsing around when I came upon a news channel. Didn't catch much of it but it said Al Qaida owns up! Al Qaida has admitted they were involved in the Madrid Blasts! We can be coming close to World War III here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted March 15, 2004 Share Posted March 15, 2004 Originally posted by sabretooth We can be coming close to World War III here... How will we start a world war with terrorists? Don't world wars have to involve like.....the world? At war? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XERXES Posted March 15, 2004 Share Posted March 15, 2004 Originally posted by ET Warrior How will we start a world war with terrorists? Don't world wars have to involve like.....the world? At war? No, wed just go to war with arabs, sand negros (dont ban me ) [/sarcasm] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toms Posted March 15, 2004 Share Posted March 15, 2004 Well, it is looking less likely that it is ETA, and more likely that it is some form of Islamic terrorist group. (This whole focus on "Al quaida and bin laden as world spanning terrorist masterminds is a joke, it is a load of loosely linked groups with similar goals and no "mastermind" behind it, IMHO) In a more interesting turn of events the spanish people have just voted the government outof office because: (a) They didn't like the way the government jumped at blaming the whole thing on the scumbags (read ETA, if you care about the details) without any evidence (b) They blame the government for going along with bush in a war that the spanish people were against. The way this is going all the governments that supported bush are going to go down because of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surfnshannon Posted March 15, 2004 Share Posted March 15, 2004 The Iraqi people would still be living in HELL had the American Forces not went over there with British troops to help them out. America is only one country. If other countries were doing the same - helping to harness this "terrorism" than it would subside. Instead everyone wants to turn their backs on it. It won't go away it will just get worse, and then one day it will be your family and you will be praising those that are defending against terrorism and standing beside them, fighting for what is right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrotoy7 Posted March 15, 2004 Share Posted March 15, 2004 ....GW's a winner, really, his 'roadmap to peace' in the middle east is going quite well, wouldn't you all agree [/sarcasm beyond definition] How a hick like GW could ever have thought *his* policies were going to quell one of the world's most ancient conflicts demonstrates a self belief bordering on stupidity. mtfbwya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toms Posted March 15, 2004 Share Posted March 15, 2004 Originally posted by STTCT The Iraqi people would still be living in HELL had the American Forces not went over there with British troops to help them out. America is only one country. If other countries were doing the same - helping to harness this "terrorism" than it would subside. Instead everyone wants to turn their backs on it. It won't go away it will just get worse, and then one day it will be your family and you will be praising those that are defending against terrorism and standing beside them, fighting for what is right. er.... No, people in iraq aren't any better off than they were under saddam. He had lost control of about half the country anyway, now they just have no power and water as well. Still, most people never claimed that helping the people of iraq was a bad thing. it was't the reason given for going to war though. The problem is that what one country defines as terrorism is often different to what another country defines as terrorism. THe US has supported a lot of groups that would be considered terrorists, as they considered them freedom fighters. A lot of people consider a lot of the US's actions bordering on terrorism. What the US has basically done is lay down a challenge to the terrorists, which is what has lead to things like the madrid bombing. YOu could (miraculoulsy) find EVERY MEMBER of Al quaida and kill them all tomorrow, but unless you address some of the underlying causes of terrorism you are just going to have a new crop of terrorists in 5 years time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rccar328 Posted March 15, 2004 Share Posted March 15, 2004 No, people in iraq aren't any better off than they were under saddam. Well, let's see... Rape rooms...no longer active Torture chambers...no longer active Mass graves...no longer being filled Democracy & freedom...taking hold & growing Interim constitution...signed Schools...being built Local security & police forces...being trained Power plants...being built Case closed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breton Posted March 16, 2004 Share Posted March 16, 2004 Originally posted by rccar328 Well, let's see... Rape rooms...no longer active Torture chambers...no longer active I am yet to see any pictures or evidence of these rape rooms and torture chambers. If I hadn't known better (ahem), I'd say the right-wing extremists of American politics would attempt to personate Hussein as a greater monster than he actually was, that would certainly be to their benifit as it increases support for war. But we all know they wouldn't do that, would they? Mass graves...no longer being filled Well, the people in these mass graves were mostly Iraqi Shiites who died in an uprising just after the Gulf War ( Link). So one might say they weren't being filled anymore at the time of the war. Democracy & freedom...taking hold & growing Well, that's somewhat debatable. Despite the fact that Iraq now has freedom of speech, you will have to remember that the current goverment is not elected by the people but chosen by the Americans. It's not a democracy as of yet. Interim constitution...signed Again, I'll have to pull in the fact that the goverment that signed this is not chosen by the people. Still, I don't think the temporary constitution is that bad. Schools...being built Local security & police forces...being trained Power plants...being built Source? (and BTW, remember there's a difference between built and rebuilt ) In any case, the average living conditions in Iraq are currently worse than under Saddam. You might argue that these will improve over time (which they probably will), but let's also remember that the main reason for why the living conditions under Saddam were somewhat poor were the UN sanctions on the country. Originally posted by STTCT America is only one country. If other countries were doing the same - helping to harness this "terrorism" than it would subside. Instead everyone wants to turn their backs on it. It won't go away it will just get worse, and then one day it will be your family and you will be praising those that are defending against terrorism and standing beside them, fighting for what is right. Toms argued on this well, but I'll argue some more. What people need to realise is that terrorism is not something that can be fought with bombs and rifles. See, terrorism will always exist as long as a certain group of people see themselves as treated unfairly. Terrorism is built upon hate, and it will not disappear until the hate itself is extinguished. An attempt on fighting terrorism by using destruction and murder is only building this hate, and is doomed to fail its purpose. True, it's possible if not likely that military actions may weaken terrorism in a certain region for a certain amount of time, but it will never kill the terrorism itself. Only by removing the hate and political unstability itself can terrorism be removed for good. There has never been as many acts of terrorism world-wide since after Bush and his allies started this "War on terrorism". This "War on terrorism" is only making terrorism stronger, completely opposite of what it was supposed to do. Lastly, I'd just like to add that terrorists are just as much people as you and me. The only difference is that the people who become terrorists think of themselves as oppressed by a greater power, and is driven into a fanatic will to fight this power in the best way possible. They are even willing to give their life for this cause. And sadly, they are willing to spoil the blood of innocents for this cause as well. The last thing I'd wish to say in this post is that the so-called "Boston Tea-Party", the incident that triggered the American revolution, was an act of terrorism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrotoy7 Posted March 16, 2004 Share Posted March 16, 2004 Is it just me, or does it seem only posters from the US think that the actions of US and GW are a many splendoured thing...? toms, Breton....Kudos tou you ! mtfbwya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pie™ Posted March 16, 2004 Share Posted March 16, 2004 OMG... Just omg.... Have a cookie, Breton *stands in the corner gazing at Breton in awe* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted March 16, 2004 Share Posted March 16, 2004 Originally posted by Astrotoy7 Is it just me, or does it seem only posters from the US think that the actions of US and GW are a many splendoured thing...? Perhaps, but not all US posters agree with the US actions. Don't put us all in the same boat as GW PLEASE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrotoy7 Posted March 16, 2004 Share Posted March 16, 2004 Originally posted by STTCT ....fighting for what is right... ...just like in Vietnam, right ? Fighting is the American Way of course, from John Wayne to GW..... nope, if I lived in mud and sewage, had lost most of my family and friends to war or starvation, had no education, filthy water and no medical care, I'd be pissed at the world as well. A US soldier running at me with a gun isnt likely to make me feel better..... mtfbwya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrotoy7 Posted March 16, 2004 Share Posted March 16, 2004 Originally posted by ET Warrior Perhaps, but not all US posters agree with the US actions. Don't put us all in the same boat as GW PLEASE sorry ET, it must be hard being American as generalisations about Americans are rampant worldwide. A tip - if you ever go overseas, tell everyone you are Canadian, people will love you ! mtfbwya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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