DK_Viceroy Posted August 8, 2004 Author Share Posted August 8, 2004 Your getting the TIE Avenger Getting Mixed Up With the Far Superior TIE Defender. though you are right even though Pilots prefered the Avenger they got the Interceptor. and only pilots with proven experince with the AVenger got the Defender because at the time of the balle of endor they had just entered mass production and were rare but after the emporer's death the orders were never completed and the empire only started to use them at the time Bastion was attacked by the yuuzhan vong and by the time of their Defeat almost all interceptors had been replaced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral Vostok Posted August 8, 2004 Share Posted August 8, 2004 At any rate, including either the TIE Avenger or TIE Defender, portrayed as they are in the EU, will seriously alter the Empire's style of play from what we see in the movies. Which is bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DK_Viceroy Posted August 8, 2004 Author Share Posted August 8, 2004 I only have one imperila general who has access to those and that's Darth vader his speciality is advanced technology and since he's the most important it makes sense he would get the best fighters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral Vostok Posted August 8, 2004 Share Posted August 8, 2004 Well sure that logic makes sense. But if that is the case why didn't he have the best fighters at the Battle of Yavin or the Battle of Endor, or even trying to locate the Millennium Falcon after the Battle of Hoth for that matter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DK_Viceroy Posted August 8, 2004 Author Share Posted August 8, 2004 One thing nothing is clear about is what Darth Vader was actually doing at Yavin or on the death star for that matter. Remeber the TIE Advanced x-1 was the prototype and was tested at yavin and thus it was the best at the time. He got the FIRST EVER super star destroyer that's certainly seems like the best to me. and do you know how many fighters it would take to equip that thing it doesn't show that much detail of all the starfighters in the escape from hoth so we cannot say but logic stands tht he would have had some avengers but if i rember rightly they wern't as maouevrable as an interceptor. So that may be why6 we didn't see any because vader may not have wanted to waste expensive equipemtn when interceptors were so much cheaper. cheilds won't protectt you if you run itno an asteroid. also the fighters at bespin were merely decoys to make them think they were seroius but if vader had wanted to destroy the falcon he would merely have had to order the ship to open up with main batteries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral Vostok Posted August 8, 2004 Share Posted August 8, 2004 There weren't any Interceptors in Empire Strikes Back in the asteroid field, only Fighters and Bombers. In fact there weren't any Interceptors in ESB at all, which probably means they weren't in use then (since Vader would obviously have deployed Interceptors to chase the Falcon before it entered the Asteroid Field). You claim that Avengers were in use before the Battle of Endor. If that is the case why aren't there any in the Battle of Endor? Oh and as far as I'm concerned, Vader got the ONLY ever Super Star Destroyer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DK_Viceroy Posted August 8, 2004 Author Share Posted August 8, 2004 Simple they were being phased out in favour of the superior TIE Defender and do we really see loads of footage of the starfighter battles. If you check some of the literature it does state that there were several squadrons of both avengers and defenders but due to my meager collection at present i cannot find a viable quote becaue all my collection dates at least 5 years after endor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral Vostok Posted August 8, 2004 Share Posted August 8, 2004 do we really see loads of footage of the starfighter battlesYes we do, when was the last time you saw Return of the Jedi? Surely in all the shots of the largest space battle in the Civil War we would have seen at least one Avenger, even if they were being phased out, or one Defender, even if they were being phased in. But we don't. Why? Because they're only EU, and as such not continuous with Star Wars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DK_Viceroy Posted August 8, 2004 Author Share Posted August 8, 2004 I do not relish the exhaustive scanning process but i have another factfile entry to upload shortly. and after re-reading it I have found a slight mistake in my memory since the Avenger was used as a trainer with very few only seeing combat service under Darth vader but only under him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DK_Viceroy Posted August 8, 2004 Author Share Posted August 8, 2004 http://dk_viceroy.tripod.com/images2 it even gives a price for the TIE defender and TIE fighter it's a simple question of math 300,000 credits divided by 5 gives you the price of a TIE fighter or in other words 60,000 for a TIE Fighter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeiamyourdad Posted August 8, 2004 Share Posted August 8, 2004 EU contradicts itself. You claim the Avenger is actually less effective then the Interceptor, less maneuvrable and slower while that is untrue. It should be the opposite. As for the Defender in the Battle of Endor, it's thoroughly impossible. Shortly after Admiral Zaarin betrayed the Empire, the Defender was removed from service in the Imperial, the last ships being safely transported to Coruscant. The only ones still in use were under Zaarin's command and the ones captured by pirates. Defenders never saw Endor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Windu Posted August 9, 2004 Share Posted August 9, 2004 Viceroy - the whole point of the Avenger and Defender being EU is that they didn't appear in the films. Vostok - with the Generals, each player mst choose a General for MP, so there isnt any unbalancing. The reason i dont like removing units, like in ZH, is because i find it unrealistic. For example, even though Admiral Piett is an Aircraft General, I can still see him using AT-AT's. I was, however, thinking of offsetting advantages. Again using Piett as an example, he gains aircraft speed, build time, cost, firepower and armour increases, while suffering decreases in the same areas for mechs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DK_Viceroy Posted August 9, 2004 Author Share Posted August 9, 2004 I only said it was less manoueerable not less effective. and there was Colonel Maarek Stele and Lord Darth Vader figured prominently in early TIE defender missions to stop Zaarin. Only a handful of these ships were deployed as part of Onyx Squadron during the Battle of Endor. and that is from the starwars.com data bank itself and we didn't see all of the battle of endor remeber the film focused mainly on endor's moon and the second death star there was quite a bit of the battle but certainly by no means all of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Majin Boba Fett Posted August 9, 2004 Share Posted August 9, 2004 I say don not include the TIE Avenger and the TIE Defender because you already have the the TIE Fighter and TIE Bomber. If you did include the Avenger and Defender in the game, then you should explain the unit and where in the EU it comes from in the databank included on the game. All EU should be explained in the databank and include where in the EU they came from. The main reason for this is that not everyone knows hat much about the EU although it is very cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DK_Viceroy Posted August 9, 2004 Author Share Posted August 9, 2004 I'm giving the Defender to Dartn Vader as a general unit but maybe if there was a campaign for each general he could get Avenger re-infrocements. Just had an idea if you had Darth Vader and Admiral motti with vader as primary and motti as secondary commadning officers you'd get the avenger or maybe that could be the defender. anyway the point is if you combine generals you could get a few more unique units depending on the combo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral Vostok Posted August 9, 2004 Share Posted August 9, 2004 Colonel Maarek Stele and Lord Darth Vader figured prominently in early TIE defender missions to stop Zaarin. Only a handful of these ships were deployed as part of Onyx Squadron during the Battle of Endor.Yeah, there were also Dreadnoughts around the back somewhere, plus a whole heap of Interdictor Cruisers and Assault Gunboats, and just in case the worst happened there was a backup Death Star. We just didn't see them in the extensive footage of the space battle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DK_Viceroy Posted August 9, 2004 Author Share Posted August 9, 2004 Why would they need an interdictor cruiser the Death star both 1 and 2 were home to an extremely powerful experimental Interdiction device. Oynx Squadron was there however the only squadron of TIE defenders. you'd hardly be able to see one squadron amongst thousands. I shall however look through the endor scenes and at least try to locate it's silouete. I shall know it when i see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral Vostok Posted August 9, 2004 Share Posted August 9, 2004 Let me save you the trouble and tell you there is definitely not any Defenders in the movie. If you do manage to see one I'll relinquish my title of Star Wars Scholar and become a Star Trek fan. The reason the EU has said there was only a single squadron is exactly because you don't see any, and including any more than a single squadron would be way too much of a stretch of the imagination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DK_Viceroy Posted August 9, 2004 Author Share Posted August 9, 2004 Nothing said their might not be a sliheoeuete or even an unidentified blur. considering since defenders were faster than a-wings that might be the case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral Vostok Posted August 9, 2004 Share Posted August 9, 2004 Yep, that's right. Lucasfilm went to all the trouble of building models of the Defenders to put them in Return of the Jedi so that they just appear as a blur in the final edit I can't believe an EU author would have the gall to make them faster than A-Wings. Where do these hacks get off? They just shouldn't try to out-do the movies, it just ends up stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeiamyourdad Posted August 10, 2004 Share Posted August 10, 2004 Wasn't the Defender's first appearance in Tie Fighter? Then it would make sense to make it faster then the A-wing. Why would they need an interdictor cruiser the Death star both 1 and 2 were home to an extremely powerful experimental Interdiction device. And that's why they needed the Imperial fleet the cut off the Rebels if they tried to escaped but hey, they could have used the Interdiction device and tractor beams. Damn they're stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FroZticles Posted August 10, 2004 Share Posted August 10, 2004 Imperial ships should be faster they are a military force and the rebels are a band of terrorists who should have been wiped from the face of the galaxy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DK_Viceroy Posted August 10, 2004 Author Share Posted August 10, 2004 Very simple vostok define the Acronym TIE in reference to the TIE Defender and then use some logic comparing number of engines. the answer is not only logical but painfully obviuos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral Vostok Posted August 10, 2004 Share Posted August 10, 2004 define the Acronym TIE in reference to the TIE Defender and then use some logic comparing number of engines. the answer is not only logical but painfully obviuos.No problem. TIE stands for Twin Ion Engine. The TIE Defender has a Twin Ion Engine just the same as a TIE Fighter has a Twin Ion Engine. The TIE Fighter is slower than the A-Wing. Since the TIE Defender not only has the exact same engine as the TIE Fighter (due to having the same TIE acronym) plus the Defender has the added power drain of employing shields, we can only assume the Defender is also slower than the A-Wing. Wow you're right, the logic was painfully obvious... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DK_Viceroy Posted August 10, 2004 Author Share Posted August 10, 2004 I had a feeling you didn't know. Triple Ion Engines it even says it in that databank entry i posted. it also say that the engines are a compltly redesigned vesion of the TIE Interceptor which means that since it has three very fast engines opposed to the a-wings 2 means that even with the sheilds and extra armnament it still has a significant speed advantage over the a-wing. ALso it has three sets of solar panels that have a greater surface area which balances out the power drain off sheilds extra weapons and hyperdrive. and the acronym is slightly wrong you forgot the s off the end of engine. Twin Ion Engines meaning there are 2 engines in a TIE. it's a common misconception that a TIE has only one engine when it heas at least two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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