jokemaster Posted November 5, 2004 Share Posted November 5, 2004 Originally posted by Admiral JM: The Aesir are fighting in the hopes of reducing the number of Fenris Brood and Heloki. As well as having a chance at removing the Jotuns. This would make things easier for the group and is well worth it. There are other reasons but that is the main one. Remember there is also just one ship off the planet, and the Asgardried cannot hold all the Aesir. The Aesir are doomed one way or another. This battle gives them the best chance to do the most damage. Ah, OK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BattleDog Posted November 5, 2004 Share Posted November 5, 2004 Admiral, not to put too finer point on it but the best chance of doing the most damage would have been not to blow up the galaxy. As to my last comment a better way of putting it would be, will they fight Saxon or Roman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral Odin Posted November 5, 2004 Author Share Posted November 5, 2004 Wrong BD: Things would have been worse. Much worse if they didn't. and they will be fighting in Schiltrons. The reason why I choose Schiltrons vs PHalanxs, or other formations is that Schiltrons form an entirely circular defense. Where a phalanx tends to have their backs and a side exposed. (Not good when surrounded). Schiltrons basically form a shield wall with weaker units in the center, stronger ones along the perimeter. Now those in a Schiltron need to be very disciplined and have had a lot of practice with the formation, especially when the formation moves For obvious reason. And this is going to be the Key to why the Aesir are not dead in 20 minutes. At the center of each Schiltron will be a healer like Idun. As an Aesir becomes wounded the formation will essentially walks over the soldier until the wounded man is at the center with the healer. Once the soldier has been treated they take up a place in the last ring. BD. As you see this formation creates the shield wall Drago had initially suggested also allows for the rotation of troops. Those who had been fighting the most can drop to the ground and the formation walks over putting the tired soldier at the center fresh ones in the front. I will also point out that ranged attacks can quickly destroy schiltrons. And people wonder why I outlawed such attacks early on. and you may wonder why the group not encouraged to fight: well they have had no practice with schiltrons. It is also why there is no room for people not following orders. When the one in charge tells the formation to move right they all must do so as one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral Odin Posted November 5, 2004 Author Share Posted November 5, 2004 About the battle: I need to know who is and who isn't fighting. If I don't get a reply I'm assuming your characters are not going to fight (that being the smart choice). Reason don't need to be given, that can be done in RPG just name something along the lines: Orthos if going to fight, Ellela and Gortick are not. Currently those fighting (that I'm positive of): Orthos Tanara Aidan Not Fighting: Everoyone else *at this point* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwing Posted November 5, 2004 Share Posted November 5, 2004 Aidan is going to fight. Guy, Marin, and Raschel are not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuuki Posted November 5, 2004 Share Posted November 5, 2004 well you already know that the Irvines gotta take part Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BattleDog Posted November 5, 2004 Share Posted November 5, 2004 So the answer would be smart:D Drago and Hal will fight. The House Gaurds will try to fight but Hal will try to get them to protect Allessa instead. Obviously a couple of my legions would rip your precious Asier apart. *Ridiculas boast.* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuuki Posted November 5, 2004 Share Posted November 5, 2004 Prolly not, I would favor the Aesir in a fight agenst your legions from a human training all his life, to an aesir who had been training for ragnarok for eons the aesir would win no contest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwing Posted November 5, 2004 Share Posted November 5, 2004 If it's a matter of training, and quality of weapons, the Aesir win. If BD's legions are Force-sensitive and trained in arts that the Aesir were not trained in, then it's more up in the air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuuki Posted November 5, 2004 Share Posted November 5, 2004 Isnt the Aesir also force sensitive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwing Posted November 5, 2004 Share Posted November 5, 2004 Ya, but there are different ways of using the Force... Too much discussion over BD's joke So, so far we have: Fighting: Orthos, Aidan, Tanara, Sir-Vin, Cracern, Hal, Drago. Not fighting: Guy, Marin, Raschel, Matt, Ellela, Gortick. That leaves...well, that really just leaves Ritchet. And I dunno if Ritchet could really fight in the battle according to how the Aesir are playing this XD but really it's up to superthrawn... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jokemaster Posted November 6, 2004 Share Posted November 6, 2004 Matt's definetely not fighting. He couldn't realistically survive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral Odin Posted November 6, 2004 Author Share Posted November 6, 2004 Don't know what is funnier, BD's comment or that Scar was argueing about it. anyways in case any of you think that your characters are going to survive this battle without a scratch think again. They will be hurt, there is simple no way to avoid this except for them not fighting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuuki Posted November 6, 2004 Share Posted November 6, 2004 I was in an arguementive mood it just happens to be not with you or red at the time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BattleDog Posted November 6, 2004 Share Posted November 6, 2004 One on one my Legions would rip Admiral's current forces to bits. Why? Longbows, Horse Archers, Lancers, not to mention Barbarian Northmen and Car'nessa javalin men, plus the myriad other special troops. Then We have 30,000 Battledogs, 6,000 Golden Lions, 12,000 Sword Brothers and 8,000 Men of the Shore. The fact is though that I can only field 200,000 Legionaries and around 400,000-500,000 Reserves and I can't use all of those for one battle. Fielding all 56,000 Noble Warriors is also impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuuki Posted November 6, 2004 Share Posted November 6, 2004 cus admiral's forces are roughly 5 million Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral Odin Posted November 6, 2004 Author Share Posted November 6, 2004 That is funny BD, wrong but funny. Your are making many assumptions about the Aesir's forces based on a battle with specific rules that outlaw Calvary, and ranged weapons. You are also forgetting the Drakes that fight alonside the Aesir. Given no rules against ranged weapons they would reign fire down upon your legions before they got in range to use their longbows. Also forgetting about the Futhark users who could put up shields that would make your legions ranged attacks useless, and well could refelct such attacks back at them. (handy trick). You assume that the Aesir would not field calvary, again that is wrong. They actually have a long tradition of mounted combat. (In the true form of Ragnarok, Calvary is not outlawed, nor is ranged weapons btw). Then you assume that they wouldn't have any ranged attacks of their own. Again that is wrong, Archery is another popular form of combat for the Aesir. The beauty of living for so long is that you can train and become proficient in many different types of weapons. Oh, you also forgot that if ranged weapons are allowed, they have weapons that fight on their own (remember Raschel's gun in the last thread). Each Aesir on the field could have a number of guns hovering over them and shooting at the enemy. and that is just the tip of the iceberg. This battle is as limiting to the Aesir as it is to their enemies. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Reaons why Ranged attacks are outlawed: 1. Didn't feel like using them. 2. 5 Drakes with their fire would make the battle end very quickly. Even with the 3 friendly drakes, there is still 2 free enemy drakes that can send fire at the Aesir and kill many in a single pass. 3. Jotuns can launch fire balls, and frost/ice balls a great distance wanted to limit that ability in this fight (make things more interesting) 4. The Aesir's "mages" could caste defensive shields that would repulse attacks of the enemy and possible send them back at whoever initiated the attack (this is considered a ranged weapon/attack). I wanted to limit this as well. and some more. Reasons for No calvary: 1. Wanted to make things harder on the Aesir by depriving them of that option. Heloki in a way are the enemy form of calvary. 2. I wanted a pure melee fight. and a some more reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BattleDog Posted November 6, 2004 Share Posted November 6, 2004 I said my forces, if they numbered five million, would waste your no ranged attaks current force. I am quite aware that without these restrictions you'd wipe my forces off the face of the earth. However, since we're on the subject I have few surprises of my own. As you may by no have gathered force sensitivity is more common among Agamarians. As a rough figure, if a Lord has five sons one of them will be strong enough in the force to be trained. If he has five daughters then two will be strong enough for serious training. This makes the Futhark rather less funky. LOL. I have a mental image of the two armies playing tennis with all those arrows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral Odin Posted November 9, 2004 Author Share Posted November 9, 2004 Some more battle information: Each of the characters fighting will be in a seperate Schiltron. The schiltrons are controled soley by the Aesir and they will ignore any recommendations any characters make. The characters in the schiltrons are in the center of the formation with the healer and are somewhat safe, they will not be rotated to the font of the formation. Their combat will truely begin once the Schiltrons begin to fail (this will be due to taking loses and them no longer having the ability to hold the formation due to lack of people. Certain characters who have specific enemies to fight will not be in a schiltron. They will be at the front of the army and will be ignored by the enemy army (Example: Heimdall is going after Loki, and loki after him. Each army is going to ignore the two and let them fight to their hearts content). Reason it is how Ragnarok occurs. Characters in Schiltrons: Drago Hal Sir Vin Cracren Aidan Characters in the front: Orthos Tanara -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posting: Hopefully tomorrow I will advance time again and have it be dawn right before the battle begins, allowing for some reactions if anyone wants to. 2nd post will be a short talk between the two sides. 3rd post will advance time again bringing to a point where all characters will be involved in the fighting. Deac, WJ your two characters will be fighting against their opponents from the start so please don't think I'm trying to limit your characters action just don't want don't want to have everyone waiting a while. *This may change depending on work etc. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwing Posted November 9, 2004 Share Posted November 9, 2004 Um, I assume the schiltrons form after the short talk between the two sides, considering that's the point when everyone will know who's facing who? Further explanation: See PMs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Writer Posted November 9, 2004 Share Posted November 9, 2004 Wow! Tanara's at the front? Red only told me that Tanara was supposed to be in the battle! Gosh, can I have a little more info or am I going to find out who my opponent is when we actually start the fight? Either way works for me... whatever you decide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral Odin Posted November 9, 2004 Author Share Posted November 9, 2004 The short talk will be between the commanders of the two armies. The most of the group (that is fighting) will be well within the Aesir's formation. But since all have a Jedi's ability to increase their sight and hearing they should be able to hear what is going on. Assignments: Vidar vs Fenrir Heimdall vs Loki Tyr vs Jormungand Freya vs Hel Forseti vs Surt A Fire Jotun Svafa vs Geirrod A Frost Jotun Hirst vs Kari A Fire Jotun Idona vs Blast a Fire Jotun Gunn vs Gjlap a Frost Jotun Sigrun vs Greip a Frost Jotun Orthos vs Lokpihet Tanara vs Darth Hellion (A High Dark Lord of the Sith) Why is it that I have assigned Tanara to fight a Sith Lord? It is rather simple. When I compare all the jedi characters, Tanara is the best Jedi around and at the moment the only one who really can claim the title of Jedi Knight in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jokemaster Posted November 10, 2004 Share Posted November 10, 2004 Originally posted by Admiral The short talk will be between the commanders of the two armies. The most of the group (that is fighting) will be well within the Aesir's formation. But since all have a Jedi's ability to increase their sight and hearing they should be able to hear what is going on. Assignments: Vidar vs Fenrir Heimdall vs Loki Tyr vs Jormungand Freya vs Hel Forseti vs Surt A Fire Jotun Svafa vs Geirrod A Frost Jotun Hirst vs Kari A Fire Jotun Idona vs Blast a Fire Jotun Gunn vs Gjlap a Frost Jotun Sigrun vs Greip a Frost Jotun Orthos vs Lokpihet Tanara vs Darth Hellion (A High Dark Lord of the Sith) Why is it that I have assigned Tanara to fight a Sith Lord? It is rather simple. When I compare all the jedi characters, Tanara is the best Jedi around and at the moment the only one who really can claim the title of Jedi Knight in my opinion. Really? I thought you'd put her against a sith lord to solve her personality disorder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral Odin Posted November 10, 2004 Author Share Posted November 10, 2004 JM, you don't need to quote the entire post especially since you posted right after me. Secondly it could make Tanara's second personalty come to the surface and possible take control. Of course that is up to WJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwing Posted November 10, 2004 Share Posted November 10, 2004 Admiral didn't say that was his ONLY reason, you know. (Disregard my last post, Admiral and I have had (more) extensive discussion about it over PMs/Instant Messenger, which is really unnecessary to relate here.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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