PoM Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 When did he become that? Luke didn't restore balance to the force! Vader Anakin did! He killed the emperor! Luke would have died if anakin didn't do that.. So it was *Drumroll* Yoda! Anakin! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starmark2k Posted January 7, 2005 Author Share Posted January 7, 2005 I think the one could be both. this would make it ironic the one being multiple people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkkender Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 Originally posted by Piece of metal When did he become that? Luke didn't restore balance to the force! Vader Anakin did! He killed the emperor! Luke would have died if anakin didn't do that.. So it was *Drumroll* Yoda! Anakin! Ahh, young Padawan who is the one that restored Vader's compasion enough to be Anakin again in order to save his son? Was it Luke? Yes. Also Vader did not kill the Emperor! He merely destroyed that shell.(clone of the emperors body) Later Luke destroys the Actual Emperor himself this would be the final trilogy should it ever be made also known as the Shadow Years. Also Anakin/Vader is not the Catalyst to continuing the balance being restored following Vader destroying the emperors shell. This To is Luke who is constantly struggling to return the light side of the force into proper balance. Of course this could go on forever however with those that disbelieve continuing to disbelieve as is there nature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 Originally posted by Piece of metal When did he become that? The beginning. Watch Return of the Jedi. Originally posted by Piece of metal Luke didn't restore balance to the force! Vader Anakin did! So what? What does that have to do with being stronger with the force? Do you even know what bring the force into balance means? Originally posted by Piece of metal He killed the emperor! After he had his ass handed to him by Luke. You remember, Luke standing over him and chopping his hand off. Again, view Return of the Jedi. Originally posted by Piece of metal Luke would have died if anakin didn't do that.. So it was *Drumroll* Yoda! Anakin! That doesn't make any sense. You are saying that Vader is stronger in the force because he picked up the Emperor and threw him in the pit? How does him doing that have anything to do with Luke's force power? Are you saying the outcome would have been different if their roles had been reversed? In any event, Luke is stronger because Lucas says so: It also comes back to the idea that the Force has a physical embodiment. Because Anakin's body is so injured in Episode III, he isn't as strong in the Force as the Emperor had hoped. And that's why it was so important to the Emperor in the original trilogy to replace Vader with Luke, who was stronger in the Force than his own father. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkkender Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 Thank you Prime for that informative resource. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shok_Tinoktin Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 The "chosen one" has nothing to do with who is stronger in the force. The "chosen one" refers to the prophecy, which refers to one who is concieved by a midi-chlorian. This is much more likely Anakin than Luke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 Originally posted by Darkkender Thank you Prime for that informative resource. I am always willing to educate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiEND_138 Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 Yes, thanx for the link. Was most informative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoM Posted January 8, 2005 Share Posted January 8, 2005 But...Your highness...I mean prime... The topic of this thread was who restored balance to the force, not who is stronger in the force.. So..em.. *Reads trough primes whole post* Oh... What does that have to do with being stronger with the force? Do you even know what bring the force into balance means? Emm..I'm not quite sure ... eww.. What does it mean!!? Destroying a planet with the death star..? Nah..That's destroying the force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Posted January 8, 2005 Share Posted January 8, 2005 Originally posted by Piece of metal But...Your highness...I mean prime... The topic of this thread was who restored balance to the force, not who is stronger in the force.. So..em.. *Reads trough primes whole post* Oh... Emm..I'm not quite sure ... If you read earlier in the thread, you will see that C. Skye says, "Anakin is more powerful." Which may or may not be true. But I just pointed out that Luke is in fact stronger in the Force than Vader. Then you say: When did he become that? Luke didn't restore balance to the force! Vader Anakin did! I took that to mean that you were saying Vader was stronger, which is false. And your right, that has nothing to do with who is the one. It is obviously Anakin, because the films come right out and say so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoM Posted January 8, 2005 Share Posted January 8, 2005 Soo emm... What is restoring balance to the force? I assumed that was killing sidious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedHawke Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 Originally posted by Piece of metal Soo emm... What is restoring balance to the force? I assumed that was killing sidious. Killing the Dark Lord of the Sith was indeed part of it. The prequels show us that the Force was in a pretty sad state, in that the Jedi were in a lethargic and weakened state, constricted by their vaunted 'rules', and the Sith, while there was only 2 Lords at a time, had become stronger in the Force than the Jedi, and when this rarely happens every few thousand years, the Force itself became skewed to one side or the other, in the PT case it was to the Dark Side, so the Force gets out of balance. Remeber the Force is the Life energy of the universe, Light and Dark are always present and are also necissary. Aniken, who had no father, was created by the will of Force itself to restore balance once again... or so the prophecy goes. When the Jedi were no more, except one last Jedi (Luke), and Sideous was tossed down the shaft by Aniken/Vader, at the cost of Aniken's life, this balanced the 2 sides of the Force once again. Now Luke is free to rebuild the order and create a group of stronger Jedi than the previous generations Jedi were... the sad thing about this is, in another thousand or-so years in the Star Wars Galaxy the Force might just come out of balance again, and so the prophecy of the one starts anew. At least that is my take on all of it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeiamyourdad Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 In other words, every thousand years, the Force pushes the restart button Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandalorian X Posted January 12, 2005 Share Posted January 12, 2005 Anakin, Duh!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Posted January 12, 2005 Share Posted January 12, 2005 Originally posted by lukeiamyourdad In other words, every thousand years, the Force pushes the restart button The Force = The Matrix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90SK Posted January 12, 2005 Share Posted January 12, 2005 Oddly enough, you actually have a point there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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