jon_hill987 Posted December 15, 2004 Share Posted December 15, 2004 Originally posted by Spider AL because I (intentionally) didn't spell Jehova properly. Dosn't it start with an "I" rather than "J". maybe its just something I picked up from the Indiana Jones films... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toms Posted December 15, 2004 Author Share Posted December 15, 2004 I leave for a few minutes and look what you guys do to my thread.... start fighting about christianity again.... and i can't see that anyone even dissed it until the last couple of posts. Santa Claus = Based on St Nicholas (with a few other pagan myths included). And it seems he actually WAS a fairly decent christian. I heard somewhere else that he broke his nose in a fight with a bishop, so he wasn't exactly passive though... However it started, christmas really has nothing to do with christianity anymore, just like santa doesn't really have much to do with coke anymore. Things outgrow their roots... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZBomber Posted December 15, 2004 Share Posted December 15, 2004 Blah. Just coming in to say that Christians tried to get Barbarians to convert, so they combined pagan rituals with the Christian belifes so they would convert. Thibk that was already said.... but that's nothing to be shameful of. Hell, it tells us that in my religion book! It was like Constantine sent Pope Leo III or something.... maybe Gregory the Great, I don't remember which one..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kain Posted December 15, 2004 Share Posted December 15, 2004 Alright! Another perfectly harmless thread turned into a Christianity vs The World Thread by yours truley. My work here is finished. Ta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiE23 Posted December 15, 2004 Share Posted December 15, 2004 This is all I can remember from the video about Christmas in Germany I saw in German class. Read this, it will be worth your while Saint Nicholas was a guy from Turkey at around like 700 AD, he was a hero among hobos, and children and students liked him. (Like Sponge Bob) Yes, he was Christian.... buh After he died, people started making little traditions for Weihnachten (Christmas) like puting candy and treats in shoes that children left out side on December 6th (the 6th is like, the Advent or something, i forgot). They could leave out dishes, too. Stocking were filled with fruits like oranges and apples (rare in winter) Then at a part of the movie, it started talking about "Santa" and his helper (evil) going to little children, look on his list, if good, he or she got candy, a little toy, or an apple. If naughty (parents probably told him) his partner would freak the kid out. Even later, they talked about that people of the villages would have festivles to drive out the evil spirits and bring in the good ones to their town by making a hell of a lot of noise by shooting these cool musket/sawed off Shot-guns into the air on Christmas day. So, I guess they put it on the 25th because people thought that was Jesus' birthday and wanted to celebrate it with a holiday, Saint Nick day was close...... and blah blah blah. Closing Notes: -- "Santa" looks like a bishop in Germany -- Elves, raindeer, and his sled were probably made up in stories about him. -- Someone said he became red and white when coke painted him.... not true, a German artist (the same one that came up with the donkey/elephant thing for politics) first made the fat, red and white, pipe smoking, holly jolly look we basicly know him as today -- Im getting a cramp TiE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted December 15, 2004 Share Posted December 15, 2004 Originally posted by TiE 23 So, I guess they put it on the 25th because people thought that was Jesus' birthday and wanted to celebrate it with a holiday, Saint Nick day was close...... and blah blah blah. They put it on the 25th because the 25th of December was a Pagan holiday before Constantine's conversion to Christianity. As I mentioned. Twice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Windu Posted December 15, 2004 Share Posted December 15, 2004 Originally posted by TiE 23 ( Sponge Bob) HURRAH! >.> <.< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiE23 Posted December 15, 2004 Share Posted December 15, 2004 Originally posted by ET Warrior They put it on the 25th because the 25th of December was a Pagan holiday before Constantine's conversion to Christianity. As I mentioned. Twice. bah, im to lazy to read three pages of posts, but yah What he said. TiE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrotoy7 Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 Originally posted by ET Warrior The problem is that it is the truth. The reasoning behind it is when Constantine converted to Christianity and therefore wanted to bring all of Rome along with him, he still needed to maintain a little respect for the pagan rituals and customs, otherwise he would have alienated all of his subjects. So he turned pagan holidays into Christian ones. Good. Im glad someone remembered Constantine's role in this perpetual debacle. *claps !* IG - I think you need to look at history more, and sermonise less. It seems paranoid persecution and young christianity walk hand in hand nowdays mtfbwya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Groovy Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 Originally posted by TiE 23 bah, im to lazy to read three pages of posts, but yah What he said. TiE You never read. You're soul purpose here is to click the post reply button: wether you have something to say or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IG-64 Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 Originally posted by Astrotoy7 Good. Im glad someone remembered Constantine's role in this perpetual debacle. *claps !* IG - I think you need to look at history more, and sermonise less. It seems paranoid persecution and young christianity walk hand in hand nowdays mtfbwya Yeah, I guess I am pretty paranoid, I just feel like everyones out to get me >.> <.< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kipperthefrog Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 Have you seen all the christmas commercials durins the christmas speacials? One show about peace and love and then commercials about greed and waste. How beutiful to have christmas brought to you by Cola. How beutiful materialism and holiday cheer can mix so seamlessly and nicely. Its a beutiful world al rihgt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZBomber Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 Originally posted by IG-64 Yeah, I guess I am pretty paranoid, I just feel like everyones out to get me >.> <.< We are. But, don't worry, sit down, and take a number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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