Ray Jones Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 .. the screen shot on the link you show are of an emulated version of Monkey Island 2 because the graphics format of that screen shot is in Super Eagle or Super 2x Sai and is not how the game looks in its origional format .. Hmm, I think it is rather something like the original background art, scanned in ultra-high resolution and 5432948723947 megazilitralliorion colours. Alien counted them all, because he has no lifeonly 3 girlfriends atm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshi Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 Also I play the Amiga 600 and PC version of Monkey Island 2 all the time and the that link you show for the screen shot of the the ship at Woodtick is not how the graphics look on the un-emulated origional Amiga and PC versions of Monkey Island 2 the screen shot on the link you show are of an emulated version of Monkey Island 2 because the graphics format of that screen shot is in Super Eagle or Super 2x Sai and is not how the game looks in its origional format. What exactly are you basing this on? Did you take the screenshot? Or have any information on the origin of this screenshot? Or is this just your basic guess that it was shot in Super Eagle or Super 2x? Having owned an Amiga, I know that at best, the Amiga 600 could only display 64 colours at half-tone, and even with the HAM technology, that was difficult to implement inside of a game, which is why the Amiga version of MI2 was released with 32 colours. Unless you're particular Amiga is suped up somehow or you have a 1200 instead of a 600, I doubt it could look similar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Largo LaGrande Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 What exactly are you basing this on? Did you take the screenshot? Or have any information on the origin of this screenshot? Or is this just your basic guess that it was shot in Super Eagle or Super 2x? Having owned an Amiga, I know that at best, the Amiga 600 could only display 64 colours at half-tone, and even with the HAM technology, that was difficult to implement inside of a game, which is why the Amiga version of MI2 was released with 32 colours. Unless you're particular Amiga is suped up somehow or you have a 1200 instead of a 600, I doubt it could look similar. I have an Amiga 600 and a Pc I play both the Amiga and the Pc version of Monkey Island 2 all the time, The Amiga version has 32 colours the Pc version has 256 but the differences between the 2 games are very slight. I have run both the Amiga version and the Pc version of Monkey Island 2 along side each other I have comapared backgrounds and unless you get wally to use his cartographer skills to notice them the differences are very slight there are graphical differences and I could point out every one of them but nothing major concidering the Pc has 256 colours. I say the screen shot looks like it is running in Super Eagle or Super Sai 2X because Monkey Island 2 usually needs an emulator to make Monkey Island 2 run on the PC correctly. On the emulators you get the option of running it in Super Eagle or Super Sai 2X. Super Eagle or Super Sai 2X is a very distinctive style that you can notice and I have run it in Super Eagle or Super Sai 2X and it looks exactly the same thats why I say the screen shot looks like it is running in Super Eagle or Super Sai 2X. Also I have compared the Amiga and the PC version of Monkey Island 2 and they both look alot more pixely than that screen shot. http://www.scummbar.com/imageviewer/imageviewer.php?useimage=/games/screenshots/mi2/concept/5.jpg I like the Amiga version best because the sound is much better on the Amiga version than the PC version but thats down to personal preference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrik Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 I don't want to get involved in a "X is better than N!" argument, but you must be mental if you seriously think that the Amiga version is even remotely comparable to the PC with regards to definition of colour and detail — you must have blurred vision if you cannot see the blatant lack of colour data. I'm not maligning the Amiga version, and I do hold a special place for it as it was the first machine that I played Monkey Island 2 on back when it was hot, but to say that it is technically superior to the PC version is just delusive. Even without fancy filters, the difference is immediately noticable; I said that back when I first tried it, and I say that now. I respect personal preference, but please, stop denying the superiority of the PC version on a strictly technical level; it is nonsense. PS: The image that you included in your last post is, as Ray said, concept art. It is not a screenshot, it's the original painting before it was compressed for inclusion in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshi Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 I say the screen shot looks like it is running in Super Eagle or Super Sai 2X because Monkey Island 2 usually needs an emulator to make Monkey Island 2 run on the PC correctly. On the emulators you get the option of running it in Super Eagle or Super Sai 2X. Super Eagle or Super Sai 2X is a very distinctive style that you can notice and I have run it in Super Eagle or Super Sai 2X and it looks exactly the same thats why I say the screen shot looks like it is running in Super Eagle or Super Sai 2X. Also I have compared the Amiga and the PC version of Monkey Island 2 and they both look alot more pixely than that screen shot. Most people use SCUMMVM as an emulator for the game, and a lot use benny's SCUMMVM q+e as a front end for that. Graphics options for MI2 are: 1x Normal 2x Normal(default) 3x Normal 2x Sai Super 2x Sai Super Eagle Advanced Mame 2x Advanced Mame 3x High Quality 2x High Quality 3x Tv 2x Dotmatrix Such emulators are only needed to run the games outside of anything higher than Windows 98, although even some XP machines run the game without an emulator (mine does, just without the sound) and it looks exactly the same as when I ran it on my old 95 machine all those years back. With the emulator, 2x Normal will give you the exact graphics given on release of the game for the PC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Jones Posted March 10, 2006 Share Posted March 10, 2006 although even some XP machines run the game (mine does, just without the sound)Try VDMSound then..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshi Posted March 10, 2006 Share Posted March 10, 2006 I meant without an emulator it works just fine without the sound. SCUMMVM q+e works to add sound (along with the smoother graphics of course). But I see how you got confused. I've edited the above post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Largo LaGrande Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 I don't want to get involved in a "X is better than N!" argument, but you must be mental if you seriously think that the Amiga version is even remotely comparable to the PC with regards to definition of colour and detail — you must have blurred vision if you cannot see the blatant lack of colour data. I'm not maligning the Amiga version, and I do hold a special place for it as it was the first machine that I played Monkey Island 2 on back when it was hot, but to say that it is technically superior to the PC version is just delusive. Even without fancy filters, the difference is immediately noticable; I said that back when I first tried it, and I say that now. I respect personal preference, but please, stop denying the superiority of the PC version on a strictly technical level; it is nonsense. PS: The image that you included in your last post is, as Ray said, concept art. It is not a screenshot, it's the original painting before it was compressed for inclusion in the game. Hi Thirk I never said the Amiga Version of Monkey Island 2 is better technically or it is technically superior to the PC version that is untrue. And I am not saying the Amiga version of Monkey Island 2 is best in regards to definition or colour and detail because that is untrue. And I am not denying the superiority of the PC version on a strictly technical level that is untrue. Monkey Island 2 has always been my favourite Monkey Island game ever since I first saw it on GamesMaster. I first played Monkey Island 2 on the Amiga 600 and I like the Amiga version best. I think the Amiga version of Monkey Island 2 is better based on Authenticity. When Monkey Island 2 was released in 1991 the Amiga 500+ and Amiga 600 were the most common system and Pcs were very expensive being advanced for the time. Monkey Island 2 looked how a 2D game should for the 2D Era on the Amiga in 1991. Also because the Amiga had the most common sound format for 1991 the music and sound in the Amiga version was better quality and sounded how it should have sounded for 1991 and it was how I-Muse wanted it to sound. This is also backed up by the Quote at the Scumm Bar. “The Amiga version featured better music quality, and smoother scrolling that the PC version. On the other hand, the PC version had more music and background animations/details.” As Quoted by the Scumm Bar Quoted at http://www.scummbar.com/games/index.php?game=2&sub=info&todo=6 The Pc was too advanced for the time and it had a more advanced sound format and so I-Muse had to change the music and sound for the Pc Version so it could work on that type of format. And although the Pc had a better sound format technically, the music and sound made by I-Muse was not made for a more advanced sound format and didn’t sound as good as the Amiga version. Although on the Pc you were compensated by more music for the Pc version. To look at the Amiga and Pc version are very similar yes there is a difference obviously the Pc version has a higher resolution, definition and has better colour the blues are bluer ect. Also the Pc version is slightly less blocky than the Amiga version on the small details. But in 1991 the Pcs were very expensive and very few gamers owned them Monkey Island 2 and most computer based games 2D ect were made with Amiga in mind because the Amiga was more popular and more common and that’s were games developers knew the money was to be made. Monkey Island 2 was changed in many ways to work on the Pc and it wasn’t how it was meant to be authentically. The Amiga version had the easy mode this was removed for the pc version also the code wheel used for unlocking the game were you had to create the correct potion to start the game was one of my favourite parts of the Amiga version. Objects were missing from the pc version like the ship in the water under the bridge in Woodtick. The Pc did get new objects added like the table and candles in the Swamp Rot Inn. I like the Amiga version of Monkey Island 2 best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elTee Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 The Amiga version had the easy mode this was removed for the pc version also the code wheel used for unlocking the game were you had to create the correct potion to start the game was one of my favourite parts of the Amiga version. I played Monkey Island 2 on a PC in 1993. First I entered the correct code to play the game using my MixnMojo wheel, then I selected a difficulty level. I did not have an amiga. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshi Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 Hell, play the new CD version of MI2 through ScummVM and it bypasses the code put in to bypass the code wheel and difficulty setting, thus allowing you to see it today, on a PC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrik Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 I understand your personal preference, but it seems daft to continually bring up the whole "authentic" argument. Monkey Island 2 was designed for a range of systems, and I doubt any one of them truly hit the vision that the designers had down to a tee. They were all slightly varied interpretations of it: the result of a team doing the best that they could with the technology of the day. Although the PC music may differ a bit in arrangement, it's not like it was somebody else composing it. You act like it not being on the most popular system of the day makes it inferior or something, which is nonsense — MI2 was not designed specifically for the Amiga. And, personally, I'd take being able to plug a better synth into the game and hear far higher instrument quality than it being on a more "authentic" system. At the end of the day, it's simply down to preference — I keep thinking that you'll agree on this, but then you throw in yet another silly comment about the Amiga being the authentic version or something. I totally respect that you might prefer it for nostalgic reasons or whatever, but when you spew out facts which are unjustified then I can't really agree. PS: Please don't make me read a really long post again; I can't take it. Be concise! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshi Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 PS: Please don't make me read a really long post again; I can't take it. Be concise! And if you are going to do that, please don't repeat yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Largo LaGrande Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 Thirk I could only manage 459 words. You said above “That you doubt any one of them truly hit the vision that the designers had down to a tee.” Well I can tell you the Amiga version of Monkey Island 2 was at number one of the elspa gaming sales charts for most of 1991 and in and out of number one and the top 10 slots right up until 1995 so they obviously had the Amiga version down to a tea that’s for sure. You also said “Although the PC music may differ a bit in arrangement, it's not like it was somebody else composing it”. I-Muse did the music for all versions, but the quality and the arrangement for the pc version differs a great deal from the Amiga and the Mac version. The Amiga and the Mac version have better quality music than the pc version that’s a fact and not opinion. To be honest Thirk I don’t care what people think I prefer to just accept other people opinions and enjoy playing games. This is a post about a guy selling the Amiga version of Monkey Island 2. I said I like the Amiga version best. I am then asked why I think the Amiga version is best, I was asked and so I give my reasons, my personal opinion and give valid points and back them up with real facts and other people’s quotes like the one at the Scumm bar. Unfortunately some find it hard to accept other people’s opinions or personal preference of one of the most popular games Monkey Island 2. And that opinion is based on the opinion of the mass majority of gamers from the 1990's era who all owned the Amiga 500+ or Amiga 600 as their first computer. And if some can’t accept opinion then this is going to end up a silly Amiga Vs PC Argument isn’t it. Thirk dude you’re the silly one I said from the start its down to opinion and personal preference I was the first person in this entire post that said its down to opinion and personally preference so what the hell your saying I need convincing for I have no idea. I am not trying to convince people the Amiga version is best. I was asked to why I think it is and I give my reasons that’s all. I don’t like it for the nostalgic reasons although you do get that when you play it I like the Amiga version best then and still now I think the Amiga is the best version. Ps: Joshi I love your ever non-constructive comments always reliable for a good laugh if you want I might just sing you "99 bottles of grog" or "I would rather be a pirate on Scabb" just for you. "It's a great day for spitting!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshi Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 Sorry if my prorities differ from yours, but asking you not to spam seems pretty constructive to me. You said above “That you doubt any one of them truly hit the vision that the designers had down to a tee.” Well I can tell you the Amiga version of Monkey Island 2 was at number one of the elspa gaming sales charts for most of 1991 and in and out of number one and the top 10 slots right up until 1995 so they obviously had the Amiga version down to a tea that’s for sure. Game sales have nothing to do with the original designers vision. You also said “Although the PC music may differ a bit in arrangement, it's not like it was somebody else composing it”. I-Muse did the music for all versions, but the quality and the arrangement for the pc version differs a great deal from the Amiga and the Mac version. The Amiga and the Mac version have better quality music than the pc version that’s a fact and not opinion. This has nothing to do with the music composition, the same tune was used in both versions of the game, only the quality was different. Yes, the Amiga version was better, but it wasn't a different tune from the PC version. I can accept your opinion, I have nothing against you liking the Amiga version better, personally, I also like parts of it. It's only when you dream up bogus facts to support this. When in reality, you shouldn't have to support an opinion like that, please note, it wasn't me or Thrik who challenged this, next time someone asks why you like something, you really shouldn't have to prove yourself, tis your life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Jones Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 "Youch!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Largo LaGrande Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 Hello their Joshi I never said the composition changed its always going to be the same composition. I was trying to say in as little words as I could the quality and the arrangement of the amiga and mac version was down to the hardware and how the hardware made the music sound which is the reason why pc version differs a great deal from the Amiga and the Mac version. That is a fact it definately isnt bogus and most gamers did have an Amiga instead of a pc back then thats not bogus thats common knowledge im not mentioning anything new or bogus thats for sure. I can accept your opinion, I have nothing against you liking the Amiga version better please note, it wasn't me or Thrik who challenged this, next time someone asks why you like something, you really shouldn't have to prove yourself, tis your life. Joshi I never said you have anything against me or anyone else having an opinion. But when I was the first person in this post who said its all down to personal preference and opinion which you like best we all have our favourites and yet Thrik said. At the end of the day, it's simply down to preference — I keep thinking that you'll agree on this It deserved a 459 word rant about personal preference and opinion hope you understand now thanks man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alien426 Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 It is Thrik, not Thirk. For someone who's not good with words, you write an awful lot of them. the arrangement for the pc version differs a great deal from the Amiga and the Mac version arrangement: look it up! I think the Amiga version is alot better than the PC version because it is the origional version it has better sound and music the game the graphics and the sound and music look and sound better because Monkey Island 2 was made for the Amiga. Need I say anything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Largo LaGrande Posted March 15, 2006 Share Posted March 15, 2006 Alien You dont understand so I will explain. The composition of the music never changed it was always the same music for all versions but the quality and the arrangement of the Amiga and the Mac was down to the hardware and how the hardware made the music sound. Which is the reason why pc version differs a great deal from the Amiga and the Mac version. The hardware for the pc version was more advanced and arranged the sound of the music differently. The hardware handles the music for your games imagine it as an orchestra in your computer the better the computer hardware the better the orchestra. Cool website buy the way try these 2 their also very good. Video games music more great music and some great links http://www.ocremix.org/ Game endings excelent website. http://www.gamerevolution.com/goodie/endings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrik Posted March 15, 2006 Share Posted March 15, 2006 The problem with that line of thinking is that the quality of the sound is completely relative to the hardware. While most people did and still do have cheap sound cards which produce awful-sounding music, it's perfectly possible to plug in something more advanced and get sound which far surpasses the Amiga. Parts of the MI3 soundtrack and most of the MI4 soundtrack are based on MIDI, albeit with really high quality synths handling the sound. It's not quite as cookie-cutter clean as that, but it puts into perspective how good MIDI can sound on a PC. I'd rather have slightly differently arranged music with far higher synth quality than relatively crappy Amiga quality myself, but again, that's down to preference. But if we're talking authenticy rather than "sounds good", then why not just get a Roland MT-32 and plug that into your PC? Then you'd have music which sounds pretty much exactly as the composers planned as the music was in fact designed using one. Turn off the graphic filtering so that you have the original pixellated artwork and you'll pretty much have a perfectly authentic experience (unless you're going to go insane and tell me that being reduced to 32 colours somehow makes it more authentic). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alien426 Posted March 15, 2006 Share Posted March 15, 2006 Anyone who hasn't heard the HighLand Productions MP3s should do so now. I wish the music would sound like the Underground Tunnels Orchestral Remix in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrik Posted March 15, 2006 Share Posted March 15, 2006 I've actually been after a higher-than-128kbps version of that for ages. If anybody knows where I can get one (or has one), do let me know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Largo LaGrande Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 Yea the underground tunnels remix is great I like video games music more than normal music and have a large collection. I also do my own versions of video games music for fun by playing Sonic The Hedghog, Night Trap, Monkey Island 2, Final Fantasy on electric piano for fun i try to make them sound exactly the same as they are in the games im thinking of putting them on http://www.ocremix.org/ Guys you got to go here and game endings or old games adverts http://www.gamerevolution.com/goodie/endings Check out the Nintendo glove advert and look out the the checky grin the guy gives at the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimitris Posted August 8, 2007 Share Posted August 8, 2007 personally i like the pc version more than the amiga version.The graphis are better with the 256 colours and about the music...i like more the music via roland and in pc version there are a lot more music backgrounds than the amiga.Does anyone have monkey 2 in macintosh version? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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