Who was affected by Order 66?

[Prime]

Leave it to the EU to try to undermine the movie.

Indeed. I can see some troops being reluctant, but not outright defying orders. For one, I don't see how they could override their conditioning, and also if caught they would face serious repercussions.

[SirLancelot]

Leave it to the EU to try to undermine the movie.

 

I guess they think its cooler if some of the Stormtroopers have a "heart" and can resist their genetic programming.

 

Next we'll be getting stories of the Battle Droids who resisted orders and escaped and/or joined the good guys out of remorse for their part in atrocities committed... if they haven't already!

 

The EU doesn't undermine the movie it just takes alternate paths. . .and makes some interesting stories, I think. A story based on clones resisting Order 66 would be intriguing.

 

Think outside the box.

[Astrotoy7]

Leave it to the EU to try to undermine the movie.

 

Which world is full of black and white absolutes ? there are never always 100% certainties. Why cant some clonies deprogram, especially as the jedi were the main proponents of arguing for their independence. To give a real world example... there were indeed instances where Nazi soldiers aided jewish families rather than victimising/assaulting them.

 

Movies dont have the scope to go into these type of things. Its like the difference between the terk series and the trek movies for example. It will be the same for the SW series.... more room for characterisation will allow such interesting to emerge and be explored.

 

mtfbwya

[Redtech]

The phrases "Nazi" and "Jew sympathiser" don't work, I'm afraid. As soon as you start being one, you can't be the other.

 

As for clones, well, they're GENETICALLY ENGINERED ORGANISMS, they could have been programmed to do all this stuff, because why should the Kaminoans care? They're not loyal to anyone.

[Prime]

Which world is full of black and white absolutes ?

Star Wars.

[El Sitherino]

They're not loyal to anyone.

Not true, we heard from Dex "it all depends, on how big your... pocket book is."

[Darth_Extas]

With the Terms I do think it is possible that they were somewhat programmed to act on once order 66 was commanded. It pas Palpatine who sent General Obi-won to talk about the cloning with the Kaminoions. So Palpatine could have planned it. As well I think Dooku had a part in the cloning so who knows what he did for the cloning.

[MachineCult]

With the Terms I do think it is possible that they were somewhat programmed to act on once order 66 was commanded. It pas Palpatine who sent General Obi-won to talk about the cloning with the Kaminoions.

 

What? No, no.

General Obi-Wan (not a General at the time) was NOT sent by Palpatine to "talk about the cloning" (!?) he had found out that the dart that killed Zam Wessell had come from Kamino, so he went there, the Republic had no idea about the Clone Army until Obi-Wan told the Council about it.

 

So Palpatine could have planned it. As well I think Dooku had a part in the cloning so who knows what he did for the cloning.

 

Of course Palpatine planned it, he engineered the Clone Wars so he could take complete power. Dooku ordered the Clone Army, posing as Sifo Dyas who he had killed, something like that...

[Redtech]

Not true, we heard from Dex "it all depends, on how big your... pocket book is."

That isn't loyalty, that's business. Heck, if the CIS knew about the clones first, they could have bought them out.

 

Take mercenaries, they're not there to make anyone happy, but the money's good.

[Darth_Extas]

Machine that is partial, because Count Dooku(When he was a Jedi Master) was sent to Kamino to use Jango Fett as a template for the clones. Palpatine has full knowledge of the Cloning. But just before CIS was founded Count Dooku joined with Palpatine. I am getting this from the official records from the official website.

[Kurgan]

It's just such a well worn cliche in the EU... the good guy who has a "past" as a former bad guy drone. I guess once they brought Vader back to the "good side" that opened the floodgates! Every edgy anti-hero who was too good to get fooled by the bad guy's mind control that fooled everyone else...

 

Hey I liked Kyle Katarn, but back then it was still sort of interesting. Now everybody's a reformed evil-doer. Can't the bad guys have a plan that works for once?

 

The EU is supposed to expand things yes, but all to often it takes a good idea and totally runs it into the ground, or else just tries to undermine it. Not always but enough to make me think they're not even trying sometimes!

[Redtech]

Well, that's Star Wars for you.

 

Have I ever mentioned that I used to be an evildooer, but not I've become a good guy with a dark past who has a conflict with my dark side?

[Cercueil]

for the record: im a good guy that people seem to think is evil. however, there was this one time I almost fell to the dark side that which is the rebellion when they took my holonet access away and transfered me to this distant planet, but three days later I hear the station I used to work on was destroyed by some rebels near Yavin...whos to look a gift Bantha in the mouth, i say.

[Darth_Death]

but since a jedi (cant remember his names) asked the kamino guys wouldn't clones have loyalty to a jedi

[TK-8252]

but since a jedi (cant remember his names) asked the kamino guys wouldn't clones have loyalty to a jedi

 

The army was made for the Republic, not the Jedi.

[arkodeon]

The army was made for the Republic, not the Jedi.

 

Yes, hence the phrase "Grand Army of the Republic."

 

As someone else mentioned, it is hinted in the game Battlefront 2 that the clones were trained to be watchful of the Jedi, that they would indeed betray the Republic one day.

 

Hence the words "The time has come." by Palpatine. I really do think the Clones were the good guys in all this, but were at the wrong place at the wrong time.

[Redtech]

Personally, I reckon the CIS were the better. It's called "Regime change" by modern day standards. You see a problem, you use force to take what is rightfully yours. A valid and correct tactic used by democratic nations for centuries.

[Kurgan]

Was it really? (and I assume you're counting the United States as a "democracy" even though that is also debatable) I thought for centuries it was rather the idea of conquest. You fight your enemy and either you win independance (if you're a colony or something) or you conquer your enemy and they become part of you.

 

It's the cold war idea that it's suddenly not okay to conquer people anymore, but rather do a "regime change" where you take out their leadership or government and replace it with somebody you like better. Somebody who's "friendlier" and will trade with you, not attack, etc. Otherwise for example we've have turned Afghanistan and Iraq into US territories. Instead we're trying to just make sure they become "allies" and trade with us and vote with us, etc. At least that was supposedly the goal, which has yet to be fully realized (especially in the case of Afgahnistan).

 

The American colonies rebelled against Britain, but they didn't, for example, try to assasinate King George and get Ben Franklin installed as the new monarch across the pond. The Southern Confederacy in the US tried to break away and form their own country. Despite the fact that John Wilkes Booth was a Southern sympathizer, the Confederate strategy was NOT to assassinate Abraham Lincoln and install a new "Confederacy friendly" president in the North.

 

Historians don't always agree, but if you're going to say "centuries" I think you'd be wrong. WW2 ended only 60 years ago!

 

Did the CIS have a right to leave the Republic? Certainly. Of course the entire war was a lie. The leaders of both sides sacrificed their people in order to gain their conspiracy of power as it was planned from the beginning. It would be like if Roosevelt, Churchill, Stalin and Hitler got together and said "hey guys, let's plan a war with each other in order to take over the world!"

[Redtech]

I've only skimmed http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_democracy but it's pretty interesting stuff, it's where I get my "centuries" comment from. As for "conquest," I don't want to argue the creation of an "American Empire". I'm not qualified for those kinds of debates, although I suppose "conquest without domination" is pretty much how the British Empire ruled most of their colonies from what I know. Could argue that with the establishment of strong military positions that Iraq and Iran are "colonies".

 

Anyway, I doubt the founding fathers and the resulting US Civil war were in a position where they could have offed the leaders of the opposing side. Intelligance was far too slow, but nowadays, it's so common for people to dissapper, it's unusual for people to protest.

 

And to loop back to Star Wars, well, ultimately, the whole thing is a ruse, but in response to your WW2 leader comment, nowadays, the media has more power in British politics than our own politicians. I feel the "ex-colonisers" need some more money in their pocket IMHO. Where's Grievous when you need him!