RevanA4 Posted September 23, 2005 Share Posted September 23, 2005 And heith whom useth the evilness from Microsoft shall perish. But anyhow I completely agree that Firefox pwns everything. YES IT DOES Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeskywalker1 Posted September 23, 2005 Share Posted September 23, 2005 No IE flaws = No reason for Anti-Spyware, Anti-Popup programs to even exist. No, because I don't care what anyone says, its very possible to get spyware, trojans, and viruses in FireFox. It doesn't matter what browser you get, as long as your computer is running, its possible to get a virus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Posted September 23, 2005 Share Posted September 23, 2005 No, because I don't care what anyone says, its very possible to get spyware, trojans, and viruses in FireFox. It doesn't matter what browser you get, as long as your computer is running, its possible to get a virus.But it is less likely. I got a trojan running IE, along with numerous other spyware and bad stuff, but I have had no viruses or anything running firefox, and my computer is on all day usually with the internet always on as well. But yes, I guess it would be possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeskywalker1 Posted September 23, 2005 Share Posted September 23, 2005 Well, all you have to do is download a malicious EXE file, that has a virus bundled in it. I remember some viruses were put into some bad Republic Commando Demo files, back when that came out. Some sites will do anything to ruin games, and spy on computers. Of course, thats not firefox's fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOssusKeeper Posted September 23, 2005 Author Share Posted September 23, 2005 basically, it doesn't matter what browser, anti-virus, anti-spyware, ad blocker apps etc. you have, there is always a chance of getting a virus, ads or spyware on your pc, but these apps do help minimize the risks, along with responsible web surfing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeiamyourdad Posted September 23, 2005 Share Posted September 23, 2005 That’s why I say they are being lazy; I think they would know about the security flaws and holes, especially if their competitors know about them… I think they just don’t care, because their product (IE or it’s core) is used in nearly every mainstream ISP software package as well as various other types of software i.e. integrated into Windows OS’s… Agreed, but making an inferior product always leads to discontent and doesn't help your cause. With the rise of Firefox, Microsoft finally realizes that it's time to change things, it wasn't due exactly to lazyness, but since they had a near monopoly, why waste money making a better product? Not lazyness, just corporate thinking. True there isn’t any anti-spyware in Firefox. That’s why I say having third party anti-virus, anti-spyware, ad blockers and pop-up blockers are a good thing. They only help to minimize the risks even farther. Exactly. As far as Firefox having fewer security flaws, just means a company who saw that attention and focus on such vulnerabilities was a necessity. Microsoft could have done the same. *cough laziness cough* No, they couldn't. The executive wouldn't waste money trying to patch up a near monopoly that had no threat. Now, they do. I wouldn’t defend Microsoft because they are a mass producer of software, the more software they make and the faster they can get it out to the public, the more money they make, flawed software or not. That’s why there is virtually dozens of updates and upgrades for all of their software, not just a hand full. What does it have to do with anything? We can't just go around bashing whatever we can bash, as much as Microsoft might deserve it. Perhaps I simply didn't understand what you meant in this part of your post. As for Microsoft not knowing about their flaws seems to me a little far fetched. How could they not know? Until somebody exploits it, they don't know. Maybe it could be that Mozilla is composed of hackers who know every single flaw and kept it to themselves. As a matter of fact, I think they do hire virus makers to help with their ever growing list of virus dat files, but to hire them to shoot viruses out to the public to sell their software, now that might be reaching a bit... Of course, it's too far fetched to be true, I'm just citing rumors of possible conspiracies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOssusKeeper Posted September 23, 2005 Author Share Posted September 23, 2005 We can't just go around bashing whatever we can bash, as much as Microsoft might deserve it. hehe, bashing can be fun Perhaps I simply didn't understand what you meant in this part of your post. I was just using it as a comparison of sorts, not necessarily as a bash on MS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedHawke Posted September 23, 2005 Share Posted September 23, 2005 ^^^^ TOK what I wrote about IE's flaws was correct... So I will say it again... but unfortunately there will always be spyware, ads, trojans, and viruses, etc… just like there will always be crime in some form or another… Well, if IE was patched correctly there would be no regular intrusions on our PC's. While the occasional malicious deviant would write a similar program and cause some havoc, they would be a rarity and the exception, not commonplace like they are now. that’s why having anti-virus apps, firewalls, pop-up blockers, spyware removers and ad-ware removers is a good thing, and still your at risk… Nope the existance of some of these programs are a bad thing for us, the consumers... Some of these programs are the main reason why IE won't be fixed and why these programs and companies that make these anti-spyware programs exist, the tons of money that is in making programs like this for Microsoft's flawed IE is the major contributor to the reasons the flaws still exist in IE. It's all about $$$! No IE flaws = No reason for Anti-Spyware, Anti-Popup programs to even exist. You see it now has become self-defeating for MS to fix IE because they would now put others out of work, and MS might now even possibly be getting paid to not fix IE by these same anti-spyware companies... this is not a new thing in the world of business BTW. EDIT: New Firefox Version 1.07 Available Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted September 23, 2005 Share Posted September 23, 2005 Except spyware doesn't exist just because of IE. IE is merely the biggest target because it is the most commonly used browser and full of holes. The big key is for people not to be retarded on the internet, but that's asking too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedHawke Posted September 23, 2005 Share Posted September 23, 2005 Except spyware doesn't exist just because of IE. I never said that... The big key is for people not to be retarded on the internet, but that's asking too much. I agree 100%! The desire to click on p0rn banners is far to great for some! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChAiNz.2da Posted September 23, 2005 Share Posted September 23, 2005 Important Read... Firefox: Honeymoon Over? We've said before that the primary security advantage Firefox had over Internet Explorer was the fact that it was used by only a fraction of the computer using population. This made it a less attractive target for hackers - why waste your time and effort writing exploits for a program that would only affect a small percentage of users, when your IE exploits would reach so many more? This is called, in the IT security biz, security through obscurity. And contrary to popular belief, it works - for a while. The problem is that obscurity tends not to last. As more and more people have switched to Firefox for its security advantage, its own growing popularity has made it more of a target. Now, according to security expert George Ou, the tipping point has been reached: Firefox now has more vulnerabilities per month than IE. Read George's blog article on this at http://www.wxpnews.com/rd/rd.cfm?id=050920TI-Firefox Source Direct Link to full article: http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=103 ------------------ Don't read this in the wrong way however! Firefox 'nay-sayers' are still at more risk using IE as IE (or any Microsoft program) only releases updates every first Tuesday of the month... Firefox updates "live" Firefox is still secure, however, now that it has become "popular" stay on your guard, browse smart... and keep those virus progs & spyware progs UPDATED We're (Firefox users) are now a target... Luckily, with certain extensions (something IE lacks) most spyware & adware can be avoided by simply not loading ads in the first place... I'd suggest Adblock & Flashblock as 2 very nice browser companions... Feel free to peruse the Privacy & Security Extensions as well for other browser securities... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Posted September 23, 2005 Share Posted September 23, 2005 Except spyware doesn't exist just because of IE. IE is merely the biggest target because it is the most commonly used browser and full of holes. The big key is for people not to be retarded on the internet, but that's asking too much.This is it exactly. People underestimate how hard it is to write inpenetrable software. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOssusKeeper Posted September 23, 2005 Author Share Posted September 23, 2005 This is it exactly. People underestimate how hard it is to write inpenetrable software. thats why having these third party apps such as anti-virus, anti-spyware, ad blockers etc are so important, but RH seems to think that they are the sole contributor to the security flaws in IE, when in fact they are not... and it's not just IE, it's any browser... but everyone is entitled to their opinion, be right, wrong or speculation... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOssusKeeper Posted September 23, 2005 Author Share Posted September 23, 2005 EDIT: New Firefox Version 1.07 Available heres a heads up, they also have a 1.5b1 version here: http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/releases/1.5beta1.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted September 23, 2005 Share Posted September 23, 2005 Don't think you're safe just because you have protection software though. You should browse in a way where you don't need it. Too many people have come to me "omg I have a virus, but I have anti-virus, this doesn't make sense" it does, your AV software does it's job, but it's still only a program that is always a step behind the virus makers. Browse smart, get a link you aren't sure about? don't click it. Browse pornsites? Check sources first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NomadInvader Posted September 24, 2005 Share Posted September 24, 2005 Firefox may have more vulnerabilities, but think about how critical they are. IE is embedded in the Windoze OS which allows IE exploits to pave the way for serious damage. A buffer overflow in firefox may just crash it or allow phishing, while a buffer in IE would allow complete access to the system. The firefox ones are less critical and fixed quicker(how long does M$ take?). The number does not count, it's the severity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedHawke Posted September 24, 2005 Share Posted September 24, 2005 thats why having these third party apps such as anti-virus, anti-spyware, ad blockers etc are so important, but RH seems to think that they are the sole contributor to the security flaws in IE, when in fact they are not... and it's not just IE, it's any browser... but everyone is entitled to their opinion, be right, wrong or speculation... I see you still failed to read what I said... again TOK! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOssusKeeper Posted September 24, 2005 Author Share Posted September 24, 2005 I see you still failed to read what I said... again TOK! sorry RH, but i read it, i just don't believe that these or even some of these programs/apps are the reason why IE has security flaws in whole or in part or why IE hasn't been fixed etc. yada yada yada... i can't and won't put the blame for IE's problems on someone else, it's MS's fault no matter how you look at it or for whatever reason i.e. money, laziness, corperate denial, whatever... these types of software exist because of the flaws, not the other way around... JMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedHawke Posted September 24, 2005 Share Posted September 24, 2005 sorry RH, but i read it, No you didn't... or else you would not have written what you did below. i just don't believe that these or even some of these programs/apps are the reason why IE has security flaws in whole or in part or why IE hasn't been fixed etc. yada yada yada... i can't and won't put the blame for IE's problems on someone else, it's MS's fault no matter how you look at it or for whatever reason i.e. money, laziness, corperate denial, whatever... these types of software exist because of the flaws, not the other way around... JMO See. Let me try again, I'll try and say things simpler this time... I never blamed the companies that made these programs for the flaws in IE, that's all MS fault, no argument there. I said only that because of the flaws in IE, that these Anti-Crapware companies found a niche to fill and came into existance, and now their very existance hampers the process of fixing IE properly as they would lose money if that happened, and possibly that these very same companies are even paying MS to not fix IE, very common practice in certain business circles by the way. Can MS fix IE? Yes. Why don't they? Too much money to be made by not fixing it. Would we still have crapware problems if IE was fixed? Of course we would, but the Anti-Crapware companies would lose a fat chunk of their bloated earnings if IE were fixed, so as I said they would be against fixing it, hence situations like this are not good for us, the consumer, in the long run. If you fixed IE tomarrow and rendered 95+% of all the current Adware and Spyware useless, you can see logically that the Anti-Crapware companies profits would take a big dump... Hence "It's all about $$$!" My whole point is that the Anti-Crapware companies are now part of the problem with IE not being fixed, as such that is what makes them a bad thing for us, the consumers. (Now the free Anti-Crapware companies/groups, are naturally exempt from this statement, they are good and noble people who are some of the best humanity has to offer.) I hope that was clearer this time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted September 24, 2005 Share Posted September 24, 2005 First off, FireFox doesn't have more vulnerabilities than IE. They have more per month. But factor in that they update security usually every month and a half. Most of those get fixed, thus less exploits are there. And add in that this has only become something recent where as IE has had immense amounts of exploits exposed for many years, it's really not as bad as people make it out to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOssusKeeper Posted September 24, 2005 Author Share Posted September 24, 2005 No you didn't... or else you would not have written what you did below. See. Let me try again, I'll try and say things simpler this time... I never blamed the companies that made these programs for the flaws in IE, that's all MS fault, no argument there. I said only that because of the flaws in IE, that these Anti-Crapware companies found a niche to fill and came into existance, and now their very existance hampers the process of fixing IE properly as they would lose money if that happened, and possibly that these very same companies are even paying MS to not fix IE, very common practice in certain business circles by the way. Can MS fix IE? Yes. Why don't they? Too much money to be made by not fixing it. Would we still have crapware problems if IE was fixed? Of course we would, but the Anti-Crapware companies would lose a fat chunk of their bloated earnings if IE were fixed, so as I said they would be against fixing it, hence situations like this are not good for us, the consumer, in the long run. If you fixed IE tomarrow and rendered 95+% of all the current Adware and Spyware useless, you can see logically that the Anti-Crapware companies profits would take a big dump... Hence "It's all about $$$!" My whole point is that the Anti-Crapware companies are now part of the problem with IE not being fixed, as such that is what makes them a bad thing for us, the consumers. (Now the free Anti-Crapware companies/groups, are naturally exempt from this statement, they are good and noble people who are some of the best humanity has to offer.) I hope that was clearer this time... well, when you explain it that way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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