deathdisco Posted October 17, 2005 Share Posted October 17, 2005 There's been a lot of debate about Anakin's origin. I found this tidbit at imdb.com. Link: http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0121766/trivia SPOILER: The first draft of the script also explained the mystery surrounding Anakin's conception. In the confrontation scene between Anakin and Palpatine where Palpatine confesses to Anakin he is Darth Sidious, he would also explain that he used the power of the Force to will the midichlorians to start the cell divisions that created Anakin. This explanation was later deemed unnecessary by Lucas and subsequently cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted October 17, 2005 Share Posted October 17, 2005 Heh, another false input on IMDB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SITHSLAYER133 Posted October 17, 2005 Share Posted October 17, 2005 me always thought it wouldve been sidoiuses master Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Posted October 17, 2005 Share Posted October 17, 2005 It was just more manipulation by Palpatine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Posted October 17, 2005 Share Posted October 17, 2005 Definitely false. Anakin was definitely not created by Sidious or Plagius or any other Sith lord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MdKnightR Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 I don't know about that! When I watched ROTS (all 3 times), I got the impression that Palpatine was admitting that he learned the ability to influence the midichlorians from Darth Plagius and subsequently caused Anakins conception. I am not the only person who caught that either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 I don't know about that! When I watched ROTS (all 3 times), I got the impression that Palpatine was admitting that he learned the ability to influence the midichlorians from Darth Plagius and subsequently caused Anakins conception. I am not the only person who caught that either.Yes, and everything Palpatine ever said is completely true and in no way manipulated to further his own agenda... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrotoy7 Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 Yes, and everything Palpatine ever said is completely true and in no way manipulated to further his own agenda... hehe...trueism there was a great interview with GL in rolling stone earlier this year..basically the interview asked "Did the sith create anakin??" GLs reply was clear, stating that the way he ended up shooting it deliberately left it ambiguous, to moreso focusing on anakins reactions than pondering the facts of palpatines words. He uses the interesting description that palpatine was essentially "throwing anakin tidbits" to see what he would react to. In the end, whether it is a fact or not makes it irrelevant. Anakin was hooked in It is the fact that we are unfortunate fanboys that we are discussing this for the 999zillionth time since May 19 mtfbwya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurora Merlow Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 Yes, and everything Palpatine ever said is completely true and in no way manipulated to further his own agenda... Good call, we do have to remember that he is the dark lord of the sith and doesn't exactly have a moral obligation to tell the truth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MdKnightR Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 True, Palpatine was a manipulative and maniacal character, but I got the impression that Anakin wasn't "clued in" to what Palpatine said to him regarding the creation of life itself as it related to him. Palpatine still hadn't revealed to him that he was the Lord of the Sith, so I don't see why he would "admit" to such a thing before revealing himself as such. Not to mention that the idea of an immaculate conception is ridiculous. Something had to cause it to happen, so why not Palpatine? What better way to insure a great apprentice than to create one yourself?! From scratch even! Think about the way that Palpatine patted young Anakin on the shoulder in Ep.1 and said that he would be watching his career with great interest, as if he already knew. Palpatine was a great manipulator and I wouldn't put it past him to manipulate the midichlorians so that he could have another playing piece in his great game to rule the galaxy. Believe what you want about it, but ask yourself....Do you think it was beyond Palpatine to plan such a thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 Well, being the clever person he is, I am fairly certain Palpatine had already heard of Anakin and all the Jedi talk of him being the chosen one, and how his midichlorian count was ridiculously high. so of course he's interested in his future, if he's got that kind of potential. No need to know anything else about him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hallucination Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 HHHmmmm slave+greedy master+world a dull sandy colour all over the place+crime= Selling sex get it while its hot! Usually women don't like to talk about that kinda thing.... Just a possibilty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deathdisco Posted October 19, 2005 Author Share Posted October 19, 2005 Heh, another false input on IMDB. Could you elaborate on this. What else was IMDB wrong about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Posted October 19, 2005 Share Posted October 19, 2005 Not to mention that the idea of an immaculate conception is ridiculous. Something had to cause it to happen, so why not Palpatine? Because the prophecy of the Chosen One specifically states that the child is to be conceived by the midi-chlorians. Qui-Gon and Mace explain as much in TPM. This occurance was "expected" in the legend sense. What better way to insure a great apprentice than to create one yourself?! From scratch even! If that was the case, then Palpatine is an idiot. Why would he chose to place his newly created apprentice with an insignificant slave woman on a remote planet outside the Republic and provide no safeguards for his and her protection for the next ten years? Qui-Gon discovered him by accident (or the will of the Force) and otherwise Anakin would have remained a slave on Tatooine. Or are you saying Palpatine manipulated events to Force Qui-Gon to go there? We know that isn't true either since he wanted Amidala to remain on Naboo to sign the treaty. If Palpatine had really created Anakin, surely he would have provided him with a "better" mother and then raised the child in a much more secure situation that he could control. Think about the way that Palpatine patted young Anakin on the shoulder in Ep.1 and said that he would be watching his career with great interest, as if he already knew. What he already knew was that a 10 year old boy had piloted a starfighter into space and singlehandedly destroyed the droid control ship. That's enough reason to be interested in the boy right there. He may also have learned about the boy's midi-clorian count and connection to the prophecy, if he was well connected enough. In any event, there was enough in general "public" knowledge to be interested in Anakin, especially when you are a Sith Lord looking for a new apprentice. Palpatine was a great manipulator and I wouldn't put it past him to manipulate the midichlorians so that he could have another playing piece in his great game to rule the galaxy. But why put such a valuable piece in such a dangerous and uncontrolled situation? Believe what you want about it, but ask yourself....Do you think it was beyond Palpatine to plan such a thing?Yes, it was beyond his ability to create life. All signs point to the conclusion that he didn't. You are basing everything on one piece of dialog spoken in a scene were the whole point was to control Anakin's thinking. Palpatine had said several lies and half-truths in the same scene. Why must this statement be true? And for that matter Palpatine only stated that his master knew the secret, not him. He again later tells Anakin that he does not know the secret, but that they will discover it. Not only that, but the idea that Palpatine could simply create an uber-powerful apprentice on his own is contradicted by the original trilogy. One of the main points is that the Emperor is keen on Luke because Vader is damaged goods and has not lived up to initial expectations. Luke can potentially be more powerful than Vader, and so that is why the Emperor is looking use him as a replacement. If Palpatine could just create his own apprentice, there is no need for Luke as he would simply have created a new apprentice and replaced Vader with him. No need to go through all the trouble of seducing Luke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Posted October 19, 2005 Share Posted October 19, 2005 We know that isn't true either since he wanted Amidala to remain on Naboo to sign the treaty.Well, actually, Qui-Gon encouraged the queen to go with him to Couruscant, but we knew what you meant. I think Prime has basically summed it all up. Why would a Sith Lord who can create life create his all-powerful apprentice on a remote planet under a slave mother? I don't think George meant this to be looked into as much as it has been. in the movie, Qui-Gon says that it is possible he was concieved by the midichlorians. The prophecy says that the chosen one will be under a virgin and will be concieved by the midichlorians, and eventually destroy the Sith. And Anakin does, evetually, destroy the Sith, right? So the prophecy is obviously right. Palpy didn't create him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Posted October 19, 2005 Share Posted October 19, 2005 Well, actually, Qui-Gon encouraged the queen to go with him to Couruscant, but we knew what you meant.Sorry. By "he" I meant Palpatine, not Qui-Gon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kain Posted October 19, 2005 Share Posted October 19, 2005 Well, a slave women on a remote planet. No one around to really care. No around to ask questions. No Jedi around to ponder on it. Palpatine had everything planned since before the Trade Federation seperated. He even had every contingency planned for. See what I'm getting at? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted October 20, 2005 Share Posted October 20, 2005 Could you elaborate on this. What else was IMDB wrong about? They used to have incorrect/misplaced information on certain movie pages. Sometimes something relating to a completely different movie. The biggest arguement against "Palpatine/Palpatine's master created Anakin" would be that it's highly retarded, if he created him he could have raised him to be his apprentice since birth rather than leaving him with some slave woman. It would make more sense to do this rather than chance it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MdKnightR Posted October 20, 2005 Share Posted October 20, 2005 Whether or not he was able to spawn Anakin, you have to admit that it was an ingenious plot twist to have Palpatine lay claim to such a grandiose notion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feenix Posted October 20, 2005 Share Posted October 20, 2005 Anakin/Darth Vadar was prohisized (sp?) to bring balance to the force and destroy the sith.. to that end, Anakin/Darth Vadar does indeed live up to his legacy.. during the finale fight scene in ROTJ while Sidiouse is blasting luke with Force Lightning, Vadar steps up and tosses old palaptine into the core of the under construction DeathStar then himself dies as the DeathStar is falling apart all around him and his son. I don't believe Palpatine created Vadar or had anything to do with his creation.. I believe he saw a opportunity to try and change things and to bring the most powerfull jedi ever to the dark side. I would also agree with what Prime said.. Vadar had failed The Emperor on many fronts and figured he wasn't as powerfull as everyone thought and tryed to seduce Vadar's son to not only join hi mas his new apprentice, but to also rid him of the now useless Darth Vadar.. what got me is that through it all, Vadar was hearing the Emperor trying to get Luke to give in to his rage and kill him.. and he just went right along with it till the end.. is there no such thing as free will or survival instinct in the Jedi Order or Sith? I mean, if my boss was trying to get someone to kill me and take my place loyalty be damned I'm gonna turn on my boss and whip his..er kids present.. you know what I'm getting at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Posted October 20, 2005 Share Posted October 20, 2005 Whether or not he was able to spawn Anakin, you have to admit that it was an ingenious plot twist to have Palpatine lay claim to such a grandiose notion.Definitely. It was obviously a convincing claim, since it has also fooled some of the audience. Imagine what Anakin thought! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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